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Posted on 03/17/2013 9:08:49 PM PDT by Steelfish
American Nuns Struggle With Vatican For Change-"60 Minutes": Will Pope Francis change the way the Vatican has been dealing with the largest U.S. nun's organization?
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The Our Lady of Have It YOUR Way Church. Great.
The infamous Magisterium of Nuns.
Why do these nuns still have the right to be in the church? They are apostates.
I remember this when it first came up.
I look it like this...I think what the nuns do is commendable.
But if they don’t uphold the religion that they represent, there is a huge problem. Sounds like they are just taking the funding and the name recognizition. One nun in that segment kept protesting how she was “all about the church” (paraphrase). She maybe, but she doesn’t represent all the tenents.
That being said..if they want to “update” and “modernize” the church, have at it. But start your own church.
(No, I’m not Catholic. I’d feel the same about any other church.)
This is long overdue. They wear no habits, they appear reluctant to speak on issue of abortion and gay marriage, seek changes in Church Magisterium by arguing for women priests, and work as pro-Obama supporters and politicize their agenda by taking a bus tour and castigating Church discipline. They are no different than agency social workers. As Pope Francis has said, the Catholic Church is not some social charitable organization. Time to discipline them by dropping the label “Catholic”to whatever they do.
I am not Catholic, but did battle with the Sandanista Surrogates the Maryknoll Nuns from Nicaragua when they wer in NM back in the early 1980’s.
They were Commie troublemakers. But odly not all the nuns were like that. One of the locals was a John Bircher, that was a surprise.
My the education you get living out in NM.
Americans nuns were put on notice last year to shape up or they would be shut down. Now that they have a new pope, they are hoping to get that thrown out and get back to business as usual, which means subverting the Church. I would hope Pope Francis continues the reform, because not reforming them will just mean their demise anyway.
Not reforming them may on the other hand spread this virus like a cancer to other Catholic religious denominations.
No offense to my Anglican Brothers and Sisters in Christ - But, if someone must have married clergy, women priests, a liberal attitude toward homosexuality, etc. - leave the the RCC and join the Anglican Church.
To those members of the Anglican Church who reject such things - the doors of the RCC are wide open to welcome you home.
In contrast to positive stories. It's got to be at least 20:1 against Francis.
On the day he assumed his position our local news spent 1 minute on that story, and then went around interviewing lesbian nuns, and other liberals who don't like him for about 10 minutes.
Not one interviewee was pro-Catholic doctrine.
No offense, but you seem to be thinking of the Protestent Episcopal Church of the US. The Anglican Church of North America, has married clergy, but none of the other doctrines you mention.
The ACNA is an exception the rule that has only 103,000 members, and is NOT a member of the greater Anglican Communion. Most churches that are part of the Anglican Communion (which has an estimated 80 million members worldwide) are liberal and DO uphold the doctrines he mentioned.
I have posted this before in December. I did not mince words and they need to be posted again:
The Leadership Conference of Women Religious is a Communist front operation. We know Communist operatives have infiltrated the Catholic Church and it is through the LCWR that they are doing it. The Vatican also said the nuns had embraced radical feminist themes incompatible with the Catholic faith. The Vatican is not happy with the LCWRS focus on social justice and not promoting the Biblical view of life and human sexuality.
The Vatican has sent Archbishop Peter Sartain of Seattle to head a group of Catholic bishops to reign in the LCWR. So far, the dialog has been progressing but the LCWR remains resistant to the Vatican. I see the LCWR working to undermine the teachings of the Catholic Church and ultimately to destroy the Catholic Church in America.
For an earlier thread on the Leadership Conference of Women Religious (LCWR), go here:
The democrat fascist party is openly at war with the Catholic Church, so their propaganda arm is as well.
It's no accident that King Barry is sending insulting taunts personified to see the new Pope. What else can you call Biden and Pelosi who have both very publicly stated that they do not abide by Church teaching but decide what they believe is right and wrong for themselves exactly the same way Hus and Luther did? If sending them isn't a deliberate insult and throwing down of the gauntlet, what would be?
If they are permitted to take communion, the the propaganda machine will roll out garbage about how the HHS mandate is no big deal if someoe who has excommunicated them self isn't a big enough deal for the Church to follow Canon Law.
If they're refused, the propaganda machine will roll out garbage like, "just who does the Pope think he is" for abiding by Canon Law which they will characterize as being an attempt to use religion to influence American politics.
What the media have been dishing out so far is nothing. There will be plenty of attacks on and slanders of any and all Christians who try to live according to what Christ taught, not just the traditional democrat stirring up of anti-Catholic sentiment. Chick-Fil-A and Hobby Lobby tick them off and they won't spare those who irritate them this time around and stick to just slandering the Catholic Church to divide and conquer Christians.
They're going for the whole ball of wax this time to basically gut the First Amendment and replace Freedom of Religion with Freedom to Fornicate without consequences and everyone who is Christian and tries to live like a Christian has to be slandered right along with the Catholic Church. They read the Bible, too, and they know just how well putting whorehouses on the borders of Israel worked to tempt the Jews away from their faith.
Things may get interesting as Spring brings good mob violence and Police raid weather to Mid-West and North East.
“Things may get interesting as Spring brings good mob violence and Police raid weather to Mid-West and North East.”
Why is that part brought up? It could very well be a peaceful and warm spring.
My dad in his wisdom (and when she had left the room) said she should "get a job".
P.S. My father supported her when she was a young girl just before WWII. She refused to get a job. Finally, she went into the convent and my dad paid for that, too.
find or form your own progressive/lesbian church ‘sisters’.
gives new meaning to the term “get thee to a nunnery”
Go join the Episcopal church...they are for everything progressive...no struggle, just love for everybody. If you don’t like the doctrine of the church you are in...change churches. People get politics (that change with the latest hockey stick idea) mixed up with doctrine...that does not change. And if you change the doctrine, you no longer have what it stood for. The Episcopal church changed its doctrine and became something else. I left...the nuns should do the same. Their progressive ideas would fit right into the “modernized doctrine” of the Episcopal “church.” There is already a home for them, they would be welcome there. And for those who believe strongly in and understand Catholic doctrine, they would be WELCOME TO LEAVE. Win/win.
Time for them to shape up or Ship out.
Get back in the habits and obey the tenets of the Church or get a job and go out to the Lesbian bars on their own time.
I've known a few of these elderly communist nuns myself. I noticed a common pattern in their behavior and attitude. I think it derives from their very early experiences as young nuns back in the 60s.
Before the hippy-dippy "spirit of Vatican II" days, most of these nuns wound up teaching elementary school. As a result, when they are challenged on their beliefs, they fall back on treating the challenger like a 3rd grader.
That "holier than thou" [wink] attitude also meshes quite well with a communist thought process, whereby only the "anointed" ones (George Orwell's pigs) have the intellectual capacity to grasp things, while we "3rd graders" are too simple-minded to know better. Hence, their condescending manner of speaking to anyone who dares to challenge their ideology.
Couple that with the fact that they live in the ultimate thought bubble (a nunnery), and you have a toxic level of communistic zeitgeist.
Pope Francis could’ve showed up with a hammer in one hand a n d a sickle in the other and these berserk libs would still throw a hissy.They are the enemies of Christ and his Church no matter who is in there
Seeing radicals getting worried about losing their easy gig that supports their radicalism brought that up.
It got me thinking about how a lot of other people will soon be wondering the same thing as cities and counties start going bankrupt and there are no trillions to bail them out. That will put a lot of people who thought they were permanently insulated from reality face to face with the new 28hr work week, jobs without any benefits, and extremely high unempolyment.
King Barry has emotional irons in the fire, not just political ones.
King Barry has a lot of irons in the fire.
He can't win on all of them.
If he can't win them all he's just another President, not King Barry.
When he loses even one, his narcicism will go wild and he'll want to spend a LOT more money.
He doesn't control of both Houses of Congress so he can't act like an aloof professor.
If he can't act aloof and say it's up to the nobility to work out the details, he'll revert to type.
When he reverts, no more Herr Professor, he becomes, Brother Barry, the Co Moo Mity Organizer !!
With extremely high unemloyment, plenty of folks have lots of time on their hands.
Barry will literally weep over how he can't do what FDR did all because of Congress.
He will cry, the House won't budge, it'll be just like when LBJ promised and Congress balked.
Barry will wave his little hands, stomp his little feet, and a lot of idle rabble will react accordingly.
His fellow Co moo mity organizers will use the same tactics that intimidated Congress back then.
Under LBJ there were jobs aplenty in most places, so, those with jobs grumbled and went along.
Most normally productive folks are already in a jam, they can't work more, grumble, and go along.
Therefore reaction to the same sort of co moo mity action may well be much different this time around.
So, it could be a very interesting Spring.
I sincerly hope you're right, though, a nice calm spring would be great.