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Majority of Congressional Members Educated at Catholic Universities are Pro-Abortion Rights
Cardinal Newman Society ^ | March 19, 2013 | Matthew Archbold

Posted on 03/19/2013 6:57:47 AM PDT by Alex Murphy

A majority of members of Congress who were educated at Catholic colleges and law schools are pro-abortion. That’s the finding of a new report from The Cardinal Newman Society.

In all, 52 of 92 (56 percent) elected officials in the last Congress and current Congress that attended Catholic colleges, according to their congressional websites, have voted for pro-abortion rights and/or related funding.

In the 112th session of the House of Representatives there were 65 congressmen and women who attended Catholic colleges or law schools. Out of those, 35 support abortion rights. Out of the 12 Catholic-educated congressmen in the incoming freshman class for the 113th session of the House, six of them are pro-abortion rights. In the Senate, 11 of the 15 Senators who earned degrees from Catholic institutions have previously voted for abortion rights or related bills.

Nearly every Congressman and Senator in the report has a zero percent rating by the National Right to Life Committee and a 100 percent rating by the National Abortion Rights Action League (NARAL).

The following is the list of elected officials who were educated at Catholic institutions and have voted in favor of abortion rights:

Lynn Woolsey (CA-6) - She was not only educated at the University of San Francisco but later became a teacher at the College of Marin and the Dominican University of California. Rep. Woolsey earned a 100 percent rating by NARAL in 2009. She reportedly voted against banning federal health coverage that includes abortion, voted to expand research to more embryonic stem cell lines, and even voted against making it a crime to harm a fetus during another crime.

Nancy Pelosi (CA-12) graduated from Trinity College in Washington, D.C., in 1962. The president of NARAL referred to Pelosi as a “pro-choice champion.”

Zoe Lofgren (CA-19) graduated from the University of Santa Clara School of Law in 1975. Ranked 100 percent by NARAL, Rep. Lofgren reportedly voted against the ban on partial-birth abortion.

Sam Farr (CA-20) graduated from Willamette University in Salem, Oregon, and attended the Monterey Institute of International Studies and the University of Santa Clara. Rep. Farr voted against the ban on partial-birth abortion.

Rosa DeLauro (CT-3) earned a degree from Marymount College. She served as the first executive director of EMILY'S List, a pro-abortion rights PAC.

Mike Quigley (IL-5) earned a law degree from the Loyola University School of Law. He also served as an adjunct professor of political science at Loyola University Chicago lecturing on politics, the environment and local government. Quigley referred to a bill that would have limited abortion to the first 20 weeks of pregnancy in Washington, D.C., as “especially cruel.”

Pete Visclosky (IN-1) earned a Juris Doctoris from the University of Notre Dame Law School, and a Master of Laws in International and Comparative Law from Georgetown University Law Center. He also earned a 100 percent NARAL rating in 2011. He also, according to VoteSmart, voted against a bill that would have prohibited abortions based on the race or gender of the fetus and voted twice against the proposal to block Planned Parenthood from receiving any federal funds.

Steny Hoyer (MD-5) earned his J.D. from Georgetown University Law Center in Washington, D.C., in 1966. NARAL endorsed Rep. Hoyer in its 2012 Election Guide.

Chris Van Hollen (MD-8) is a graduate of the Georgetown University Law Center. On the House floor, VanHollen said, “A woman’s right to choose her own healthcare is a fundamental one, and the Congress should not tell women how to manage their health or reproductive care.” 

Ed Markey (MA-5) attended Boston College (B.A., 1968) and Boston College Law School (J.D., 1972). He reportedly voted against the partial-birth abortion ban.

Mike Capuano (MA-7) received a Bachelor of Arts from Dartmouth College in 1973, and a law degree from Boston College Law School in 1977. He was endorsed in the NARAL Pro-Choice Voter Guide.

Stephen Lynch (MA-8) graduated from Boston College Law School in 1991. While Lynch states that he’s pro-life, he voted against banning federal health coverage that includes abortion, he voted for expanding embryonic stem cell research,and according to the National Right to Life Committee, Lynch voted against the District of Columbia Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act (H.R. 3803) that would have restricted abortions after 22 weeks of pregnancy in Washington, D.C. He received a 55 percent rating on a National Right to Life scorecard, according to On the Issues.

Bill Keating (MA-9) attended Boston College where he received his B.A. and Masters in Business Administration.  Rep. Keating earned a 100-percent score in NARAL Pro-Choice America's 2011 Congressional Record on Choice and earned the pro-abortion rights group’s endorsement in 2012.

Gary Peters (MI-14) earned an M.B.A. in Finance from the University of Detroit Mercy. Rep. Peters earned a 100-percent score in NARAL Pro-Choice America's 2011 Congressional Record on Choice and was endorsed by the abortion advocacy group in 2012.

Hansen Clarke (MI-13) earned his law degree from Georgetown Law School. Rep. Clarke earned a 100-percent score in NARAL Pro-Choice America's 2011 Congressional Record on Choice.

John Dingell (MI-12) finished his military service in the fall of 1946 to attend Georgetown University where he studied chemistry. He continued his studies at Georgetown Law School, graduating in 1952. Rep. Dingell earned a 100-percentscore in NARAL Pro-Choice America's 2011 Congressional Record on Choice. Dingell was quoted saying, “I have voted to protect a woman's right to choose under Roe v. Wade and will continue to fight to uphold this constitutionally protected right.”

Betty McCollum (MN-4) is a graduate of the College of St. Catherine. Rep. McCollum earned a 100-percent score in NARAL Pro-Choice America's 2011 Congressional Record on Choice.

Shelley Berkley (NV-1) obtained a law degree in 1976 from the University of San Diego School of Law. According to Nevada News and Views, Berkley does not support any limitations on abortion such as parental notification and consent, conscience protections, bans on brutal partial-birth abortions, government funding bans, laws making the unborn a second victim in an attack on the mother, and laws to keep abortion out of the military.

Bill Pascrell Jr. (NJ-9) earned a bachelor’s degree in journalism and a master’s degree in philosophy from Fordham University in the Bronx, N.Y.  Rep. Pascrell has reportedly received 100 percent ratings from NARAL Pro-Choice America since 2006.

Albio Sires (NJ-8) received a four-year basketball scholarship from St. Peter’s College.  Rep. Sires earned a 100-percent score in NARAL Pro-Choice America's 2011 Congressional Record on Choice.

Tim Bishop (NY-1) holds a BA in History from Holy Cross College in Worcester.  Rep. Bishop earned a 100-percent score in NARAL Pro-Choice America's 2011 Congressional Record on Choice.

Jerrold Nadler (NY-10) is a graduate of Columbia University and Fordham Law School.  Rep. Nadler earned a 100-percent score in NARAL Pro-Choice America's 2011 Congressional Record on Choice.

Charlie Rangel (NY-13) graduated from St. John's University Law School.  Rep. Rangel earned a 100-percent score in NARAL Pro-Choice America's 2011 Congressional Record on Choice.

Bill Owens (NY-21) is a 1974 graduate of Fordham University School of Law. Rep.Owens earned a 100-percent score in NARAL Pro-Choice America's 2011 Congressional Record on Choice. He reportedly voted against the Prenatal Nondiscrimination Act which would ban aborting children based on their sex.

Kathy Hochul (NY-26) graduated from Syracuse University with a Bachelors degree in Political Science and earned a law degree from Catholic University in Washington, D.C. NARAL Pro-Choice America PAC endorsed Rep. Hochul in her special election. Hochul reportedly vowed, “I will fight alongside NARAL Pro-Choice New York to ensure women have access to safe and adequate health services,without any interference from the federal government.”

David Cicilline (RI-1) earned a law degree from the Georgetown University Law Center. Rep. Cicilline earned a 100-percent score in NARAL Pro-Choice America's 2011 Congressional Record on Choice.

Charles Gonzalez (TX-20) received a Juris Doctorate degree from St. Mary's School of Law in San Antonio.  Rep. Gonzalez received a 100-percent score from NARAL in 2009.

Eddie Bernice Johnson (TX-30) studied nursing at St. Mary's College at the University of Notre Dame. Rep. Johnson earned a 100 percent score in NARAL Pro-Choice America's 2011 Congressional Record on Choice. She also voted against the ban on partial-birth abortion, according to The Wall Street Journal.

Peter Welch (VT) graduated magna cum laude from the College of the Holy Cross in 1969. Rep.Welch earned a 100-percent score in NARAL Pro-Choice America's 2011 Congressional Record on Choice. He voted against banning sex-selective abortions.

Bobby Scott (VA-3) is a graduate of Boston College Law School. Rep. Scott earned a 100-percent score in NARAL Pro-Choice America's 2011 Congressional Record on Choice.

Jim Moran (VA-8) attended the College of the Holy Cross and was awarded a B.A.in economics in1967. Rep. Moran earned a 100-percent score in NARAL Pro-Choice America's 2011 Congressional Record on Choice. Jim Moran wrote just last year on the ProChoice Virginia website, “I will continue to strongly advocate for abortion rights for women. This is an issue of great personal conscience that should be free of government interference. The Supreme Court has proclaimed its legality; the rest should be left to a woman, her family and her physician.”

Gerry Connolly (VA-11) received a B.A. in Literature from Maryknoll College in Glen Ellyn, Illinois. Rep. Connolly earned a 100-percent score in NARAL Pro-Choice America’s Congressional Record on Choice. NARAL President Nancy Keenan said in 2008 of Connolly, "Voters want leaders like Gerry Connolly who will defend women's reproductive freedom.”

Adam Smith (WA-9) graduated from Fordham University in 1987 with a degree in Political Science. Rep. Smith earned a 100-percent score in NARAL Pro-Choice America's 2011 Congressional Record on Choice and won Planned Parenthood’s endorsement in 2012.

Gwen Moore (WI-4) earned a B.A. in Political Science from Marquette University. Rep. Moore earned a 100-percent score in NARAL Pro-Choice America's 2011 Congressional Record on Choice. Planned Parenthood endorsed Gwen Moore in the 2010 general election.

The incoming freshman in the 113th session of Congress:

Jared Huffman (CA-2) graduated cum laude from Boston College Law School in 1990.As a state representative, Huffman earned a 100-percent rating from NARAL Pro-Choice California in 2009. According to his campaign website, “Jared is firmly pro-choice and has a long track record of fighting for women’s rights.”

Juan Vargas (CA-51) graduated magna cum laude with a BA from the University of San Diego and earned an MA in Humanities from Fordham University in New York.After college, Vargas, according to his website, joined the Jesuit Novitiate (introduction) in Santa Barbara. After leaving the Jesuits, he decided on law school and graduated in 1991 with a JD from Harvard Law School, making him a classmate of President Barack Obama. As a state senator, Vargas earned a 100-percent score from NARAL Pro-Choice California from 2003 to 2006.                                             

Lois Frankel (Fl-22) earned a law degree from Georgetown University Law Center in 1973. NARAL Pro-Choice America PAC endorsed Frankel. Frankel also touted the endorsement of Planned Parenthood on her own campaign website.

John Delaney (MD-6) is a graduate of Georgetown University Law School. NARAL described Delaney as “pro-choice” on their website. According to OntheIssues.com, Delaney voted for public funding of abortion.

Ann Mclane Kuster (NH-2) graduated from Georgetown University Law Center in 1984. She was endorsed by EMILY's List in 2012. Kuster, according to a New Hampshire local news outlet, “strongly supports a woman's right to choose.  She has been endorsed over her opponents in this campaign by every major pro-choice organization.”

Hakeem Jeffries (NY-8) Jeffries holds a Master's Degree in Public Policy from Georgetown University.  NARAL describes him as “pro-choice.”

The Senate

Alaskan Senator Lisa Murkowski graduated from Georgetown University. Sen.Murkowski has what some call a mixed record on abortion but she clearly voted for an amendment that stated, "It is the sense of the Senate that the decision of the Supreme Court in Roe v. Wade (410 U.S. 113 (1973)) was appropriate and secures an important constitutional right; and such decision should not be overturned." Murkowski also voted against cutting off federal funding for Planned Parenthood. She has,however, voted to ban partial-birth abortion.

Hawaiian Senator Mazie Hirono attended Georgetown University Law Center. She was inducted into Phi Beta Kappa and obtained her J.D. in 1978. As a congresswoman, Hirono earned a 100-percent score in NARAL Pro-Choice America's 2011 Congressional Record on Choice. She was also endorsed by NARAL in her Senate bid. Defending sex-selective abortions, Hirono reportedly said, "How can we criminalize a decision that should be up to the woman and her doctor?”

Illinois Senator Richard Durbin earned a B.S. from the School of Foreign Serviceat Georgetown University in 1966 and his J.D. from Georgetown University Law Center in 1969. When Durbin was first elected he vowed to support reversing Roe v. Wade, according to the NRLC. But in recent years, Durbin has become increasingly pro-abortion rights and in fact, he sought to disqualify Justice John Roberts from the Supreme Court unless Roberts agreed with Roe v. Wade. In 2008, Durbin was even endorsed by NARAL. Here’s his quote in full:

“Two personal references to me -- one related to the fact that I had earlier been in a pro-life position in my political life, and it is true. I've stood for election more than 12 times in the House and Senate, general and primary,stating my position as pro-choice. So the voters of Illinois know that. I had asked Judge Alito whether his position had changed from 1985. I don't consider that to be a shortcoming, if you would concede it changed. Although, at this point, you have not made that concession. Abraham Lincoln was once accused of changing his position on an issue, and he said, "I'd rather be right some of the time than wrong all the time." And so I don't think changing your mind is necessarily a condemnation. The second point I'd like to make specifically is my reference to settled law. Roe v. Wade is settled law.”

Illinois Senator Mark Kirk graduated from Georgetown University Law Center. “I strongly support a woman’s right to choose, and also support family planning programs, so that a woman never has to make that difficult choice,” said Kirk,according to OnTheIssues.com.

Iowa Senator Tom Harkin graduated The Catholic University of America's Columbus School of Law.  He received a 100 percent rating from NARAL in 2011. He publicly supports the HHS contraceptive mandate and reportedly compared it to Quakers having to pay taxes to cover the expenses of war.

Maryland Senator Barbara Mikulski graduated with a Bachelor of Arts in sociology from Mount Saint Agnes College (now a part of Loyola University Maryland) in 1958. She also worked as a social worker for Catholic charities. In 2011, Mikulski received a 100 percent rating from NARAL. Last year, Mikulski vowed to “punchback” efforts to defund Planned Parenthood.

Former Massachusetts Senator John Kerry received a J.D. from Boston College Law School. Carol Tobias, the then National Right to Life political director,described Kerry’s career in the Senate as an “unrelenting anti-life record.”

New Jersey Senator Bob Menendez earned a B.A. in political science from Saint Peter's College in Jersey City. NARAL Pro-Choice America PAC endorsed Sen. Menendez in his last race. In a press release on their website, he said. “I will not let down the women of New Jersey and the United States in the fight to protect women's reproductive rights and freedoms. I am grateful to be recognized by NARAL Pro-Choice America for my pro-choice efforts, and will continue to work to protect these very basic rights."

Pennsylvania Senator Bob Casey graduated from the College of the Holy Cross in 1982,and received a Juris Doctor (J.D.) degree from the Columbus School of Law at The Catholic University of America in 1988. Between both college and law school, Casey served as a member of the Jesuit Volunteer Corps, and spent a year teaching 5th grade and coaching basketball at the Gesu School in inner city Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Casey’s record on abortion, according to the Pro-Life Union of Southeastern Pennsylvania, is “a mixed record.” The pro-life Susan B. Anthony List even ran radio ads against Casey. Casey earned a 100-percent score in NARAL Pro-Choice America's 2011 Congressional Record on Choice with one of the key votes being against legislation to block Planned Parenthood from receiving any federal funds. In that same year, the NRLC gave Casey a 25 percent rating. The NRLC called Casey’s legislative amendment concerning abortion in the Obamacare bill as “political camouflage.”

Vermont Senator Patrick Leahy graduated from Saint Michael's College in 1961 and received his J.D. from Georgetown University Law Center in 1964. He received a 100 percent rating from NARAL in 2011. Leahy reportedly voted against parental notification bills and voted against making it a criminal penalty for harming an unborn fetus during other crime.


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A majority of members of Congress who were educated at Catholic colleges and law schools are pro-abortion. That’s the finding of a new report from The Cardinal Newman Society. In all, 52 of 92 (56 percent) elected officials in the last Congress and current Congress that attended Catholic colleges, according to their congressional websites, have voted for pro-abortion rights and/or related funding.

In the 112th session of the House of Representatives there were 65 congressmen and women who attended Catholic colleges or law schools. Out of those, 35 support abortion rights. Out of the 12 Catholic-educated congressmen in the incoming freshman class for the 113th session of the House, six of them are pro-abortion rights. In the Senate, 11 of the 15 Senators who earned degrees from Catholic institutions have previously voted for abortion rights or related bills. Nearly every Congressman and Senator in the report has a zero percent rating by the National Right to Life Committee and a 100 percent rating by the National Abortion Rights Action League (NARAL).

The following is the list of elected officials who were educated at Catholic institutions and have voted in favor of abortion rights:

Lynn Woolsey (CA-6)
Nancy Pelosi (CA-12)
Zoe Lofgren (CA-19)
Sam Farr (CA-20)
Rosa DeLauro (CT-3)
Mike Quigley (IL-5)
Pete Visclosky (IN-1)
Steny Hoyer (MD-5)
Chris Van Hollen (MD-8)
Ed Markey (MA-5)
Mike Capuano (MA-7)
Stephen Lynch (MA-8)
Bill Keating (MA-9)
Gary Peters (MI-14)
Hansen Clarke (MI-13)
John Dingell (MI-12)
Betty McCollum (MN-4)
Shelley Berkley (NV-1)
Bill Pascrell Jr. (NJ-9)
Albio Sires (NJ-8)
Tim Bishop (NY-1)
Jerrold Nadler (NY-10)
Charlie Rangel (NY-13)
Bill Owens (NY-21)
Kathy Hochul (NY-26)
David Cicilline (RI-1)
Charles Gonzalez (TX-20)
Eddie Bernice Johnson (TX-30)
Peter Welch (VT)
Bobby Scott (VA-3)
Jim Moran (VA-8)
Gerry Connolly (VA-11)
Adam Smith (WA-9)
Gwen Moore (WI-4)
Jared Huffman (CA-2)
Juan Vargas (CA-51)
Lois Frankel (Fl-22)
John Delaney (MD-6)
Ann Mclane Kuster (NH-2)
Hakeem Jeffries (NY-8)
Alaskan Senator Lisa Murkowski
Hawaiian Senator Mazie Hirono
Illinois Senator Richard Durbin
Illinois Senator Mark Kirk
Iowa Senator Tom Harkin
Maryland Senator Barbara Mikulski
Former Massachusetts Senator John Kerry
New Jersey Senator Bob Menendez
Pennsylvania Senator Bob Casey
Vermont Senator Patrick Leahy

1 posted on 03/19/2013 6:57:47 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

Abp. Fulton Sheen identified this phenomenon 40+ years ago.


2 posted on 03/19/2013 7:05:28 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: Oratam
One has to wonder if they are pro-abortion rights contrary to their Catholic education, or because of it, given their numbers.
3 posted on 03/19/2013 7:10:01 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: Oratam

Er...then, they weren’t really “educated” at those supposedly Catholic universities, were they?

In any case, we already know that Notre Dame and Georgetown aren’t even close to being Catholic Universities anyway.

I hope that other smaller Catholic universities have retained both their intellectual and moral standards...even at the cost of never allowing such sludgeworms as the Obamadork even come near their campi.


4 posted on 03/19/2013 7:12:42 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Oratam

Cafeteria Catholics. They need to leave the Church if they don’t like the rules.

It doesn’t surprise me, however, because sadly mammon is hard to ignore especially in politics. They seek power and influence, not Christ.


5 posted on 03/19/2013 7:13:06 AM PDT by grimalkin (A tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. - C.S. Lewis)
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To: Alex Murphy

So when will we see a similar analysis of Congressmen who attended Evangelical colleges?


6 posted on 03/19/2013 7:17:54 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Fighting Obama without Boehner & McConnell is like going deer hunting without your accordion)
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To: Alex Murphy

Oh, my God, please do not confuses me with facts, could it mean that the catholic institution may not be the kingdom of God here on earth?


7 posted on 03/19/2013 7:20:35 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: Alex Murphy

There, no doubt, exists dissidents within the Church. Benedict laid much groundwork for getting rid of these “catholics”, and I have confidence Pope Francis will carry that work on.


8 posted on 03/19/2013 7:25:58 AM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Why am I both pro-life & pro-gun? Because both positions defend the innocent and protect the weak.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Clearly, the reason for this is because the church has allowed Catholic institutions to stray into heterodoxy and outright heresy.

Seriously, a Catholic university teaching atheistic philosophies as an equal to, or even superior to, Catholic beliefs, or teaching Islam as fundamentally equal to Catholicism, or advocating anti-Catholic “reforms” to the church that would destroy it, is just madness, and intolerable.

So the church must regain control, and purge these schools of those who despise the church, who openly act to corrupt and turn students away from their faith, and to ruin them with evil behavior, immorality and perversity.

“Academic freedom” and “equality” are an open invitation to corruption and an attack on the future generations of the church. And these students are offered no safe haven, protection or defense against these villains. They are in effect forced to reject their faith for academic credentials.


9 posted on 03/19/2013 7:26:25 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: COBOL2Java
So when will we see a similar analysis of Congressmen who attended Evangelical colleges?

That would be an interesting study.

10 posted on 03/19/2013 7:31:13 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: Alex Murphy

You obviously have no understanding of the acronym ... CINO.


11 posted on 03/19/2013 7:39:33 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Oratam
"Catholic colleges and law schools are pro-abortion."

If so, our Catholic Church has failed us, and all Catholic colleges and law schools that remain that way need to be defunded by Catholics and renamed as secular institutions.

12 posted on 03/19/2013 7:39:38 AM PDT by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: Servant of the Cross
If a majority of any organization self-identifies with, and votes for certain types of politicians causes, said majority serves to define the identity of that organization. Those who you claim to be CINOs are the majority of the Catholic Church, at least in American politics. Do pro-life Catholic politicians outnumber the pro-abortion ones? The latter self-identifies with the Catholic Church, and the bishops count them as members. Their beliefs aren't "CINO" as far as the bishops are concerned.
What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? (You) Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.
-- James 2:14,18b

13 posted on 03/19/2013 7:50:44 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: Oratam

On the other hand, as an undergraduate at UC Berkeley (often considered a godless place), I converted and was Baptized as a Catholic, married a Catholic, and am pro-life. Would never consider an abortion, and neither would any of my 4 children. I consider it common sense.


14 posted on 03/19/2013 7:51:42 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Alex Murphy
Blessed Pope John Paul II often said ... "The Church PROposes … it does not IMpose.” It would be so much easier if it did, but then that wouldn’t be in keeping with the free will that God placed in His creatures.

”Catholic-in-name-only” colleges were the Ft. Sumters of the anti-Catholic rebellion. Google Georgetown U and Humanae Vitae. They ceased being authentically Catholic in the late 60’s, especially in America.

It would be comparable to a Planned Parenthood chapter in Texas ceasing to do abortions and then someone like you claiming that Planned Parenthood is pro-life.

15 posted on 03/19/2013 7:56:52 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Servant of the Cross

I think the Church could make a huge statement and start a big turn-around if they announced they are simply closing the doors on a couple big-name (sports-obsessed) schools like Notre Dame and Georgetown and giving the funds to Catholic grade schools. There is no point to continuing this failed experiment.


16 posted on 03/19/2013 8:15:24 AM PDT by Phillyred
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To: Oratam

Abp. Fulton Sheen identified this phenomenon 40+ years ago.

...gee...just in time for the Spirit of Vatican II...one wouldn’t think the two go together at all, would one?...


17 posted on 03/19/2013 8:15:56 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: Alex Murphy

One has to wonder if they are pro-abortion rights contrary to their Catholic education, or because of it, given their numbers.

...actually, one should really wonder whether their positions reflect the number of votes they are likely to get in order to retain their exalted position...they are punch drunk with power...


18 posted on 03/19/2013 8:19:32 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: Servant of the Cross

”Catholic-in-name-only” colleges were the Ft. Sumters of the anti-Catholic rebellion. Google Georgetown U and Humanae Vitae. They ceased being authentically Catholic in the late 60’s, especially in America.

...please see my post regarding the spirit of Vat II...and bask in the glory of what was the ‘collegiality’ that the bishops were so concerned was their birthright as Catholics...collegiality, wow, that means we can do anything we want to do...
...the bulk of the Catholic faithful gladly went along with them...we can’t all of a sudden look up and say ‘gee, things didn’t turn out so well did they’...
...when you open the windows of your church to let a little fresh air in, you never know what kind of ‘critters’ might have come crawling in as well...


19 posted on 03/19/2013 8:30:47 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: Oratam

I think there is a big assumption here that the people have gone to a Catholic institution because it was Catholic and they cared about Catholic instruction. At any given Catholic law school, there could be 50 or 60% of the students that are not Catholic or are inactive Catholic.

For example, The University of San Diego attracts non-Catholics because it is the most reputable law school in San Diego, not because it is Catholic. Georgetown is the best law school in DC, so people go there.

Now, as long as the law school has a captive audience, you’d think that they would at least put out there what Catholic moral teaching is on certain controversial points of law, and show people how to defend it. In that, these institutions have failed, big time.


20 posted on 03/19/2013 8:36:04 AM PDT by married21
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To: IrishBrigade

Yes, well that thingy ... Original Sin ... is a real stumbling block for us flawed humans isn’t it? Adam and Eve were angels compared to us now. Slouching to Gomorrah ....


21 posted on 03/19/2013 8:39:40 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Phillyred

This may happen with Pope Francis!


22 posted on 03/19/2013 8:43:16 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: married21

“... you’d think that they would at least put out there what Catholic moral teaching is on certain controversial points of law, and show people how to defend it.”

That would require hiring profs who themselves understand Catholic moral teaching.


23 posted on 03/19/2013 10:06:39 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: COBOL2Java; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; smvoice; HarleyD; ...
52 of 92 (56 percent) elected officials in the last Congress and current Congress that attended Catholic colleges have voted for pro-abortion rights and/or related funding.

So when will we see a similar analysis of Congressmen who attended Evangelical colleges?

That would be a very small study, while this study reflects the general liberal bent of Catholics in general - and which are treated by Rome as members in life and in death.

An extensive comparison of Catholic vs. evangelicals can be seen here .

24 posted on 03/19/2013 5:32:17 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Servant of the Cross
Blessed Pope John Paul II often said ... "The Church PROposes … it does not IMpose.” It would be so much easier if it did, but then that wouldn’t be in keeping with the free will that God placed in His creatures.

Besides papal sanction of torture of both suspects of theological deviation and witnesses, hindering free access of the Bible or even outlawing it, and condemning religious liberty, the word "propose" in the contest of "the church proposes for belief" does not mean to set before the mind as for discussion, but as a required belief, as in,

all those things are to be believed with divine and Catholic faith.. which the Church, either by a solemn judgment, or by her ordinary and universal Magisterium, proposes for belief as having been divinely revealed' (Dogmatic Constitution on the Catholic Faith, ch. 3).

Moreover, which Trad. RCs want to relegate liberal RCs as non-members, Rome counts and treats them as such even in death. As Ted Kennedy and Chavez notably example.

Canon law is sppsd to exclude such manifest sinners from being granted ecclesiastical funerals which would cause public scandal of the faithful, (see http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2995066/posts?page=15#15) but it seems little scandal is seen by those whom Rome counts as the faithful.

New stats: 2013: Of U.S. Catholics who attend Mass weekly, 40% (and 54% of all U.S. Catholics) would like to see the new pope change to more liberal teachings, versus 22% who want more conservative teachings; 63% favor letting priests get married, versus 30% opposed; 55% (and 66% of all U.S. Catholics) favor female priests versus 39% opposed; 63% favor letting Catholic priests get married versus 30% who oppose it; 70% believe the pope should be against legalized abortion, versus 24% for it; 69% (and 79% of all U.S. Catholics) favor the use of artificial methods of birth control, versus 24% opposed; 82% say the pope should be for the use of condoms to prevent the spread of H.I.V. and other diseases, with 14% being or against; 67% believe the pope be for the death penalty versus 25% opposed; 45% (and 40% of all U.S. Catholics) believe the pope is infallible when he teaches on matters of morality and faith, with an equal 45% disagreeing; on difficult moral questions, 22% say they are are more likely to follow the teachings of the Pope, while 66% (and 78% of all U.S. Catholics) say their conscience; 74% believe it iis possible to disagree with the pope on issues like birth control, abortion or divorce and still be a good Catholic; http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/03/05/us/catholics-poll-graphic.html?ref=us#

More stats

25 posted on 03/19/2013 6:00:45 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: COBOL2Java; Alex Murphy
So when will we see a similar analysis of Congressmen who attended Evangelical colleges?

When you post it.

Have at it.

26 posted on 03/19/2013 6:34:59 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: ravenwolf; Alex Murphy; 2001convSVT; yefragetuwrabrumuy
"could it mean that the catholic institution may not be the kingdom of God here on earth?"

/s/

These particular 'catholic' institutions haven't been, since July 23, 1967, to be precise --- the "Land 'o' Lakes Conference," --- when they pledged to overturn the control of the Vatican, the hierarchy, and the religious orders, to forge their own destiny on the basis of their own best perceptions of how to serve God and Mammon the new spirit of intellectual/spiritual liberty.

An anti-Rome revolt.

A full-sale wrecking and splitting.

It's perfectly true they didn't know much about the Reformation. That's probably why they were bound to repeat it.

27 posted on 05/06/2013 6:50:44 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Takes one to know one, and vice versa.)
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