Skip to comments.Despite abortion views, Biden, Pelosi receive communion in Vatican Mass [Catholic Caucus]
Posted on 03/19/2013 8:44:43 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPMEdited on 03/20/2013 8:50:07 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
Vice President Joseph R. Biden and House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi both received communion during the Mass to celebrate the installation of Pope Francis in spite of their pro-choice position on abortion.
The vice presidents office confirmed Tuesday night that both he and Mrs. Pelosi took communion during the Mass at St. Peters Square in Rome.
Excerpt, read more at Washington Times
and how about gay views?
This is a Catholic Caucus thread, thanks.
It is, although I’ll be willing to give it a little time. There’s a good chance the Pope didn’t know who these clowns were, or what their positions were, or he might be waiting until he’s settled to announce them excommunicated.
Let’s watch with cautious eyes.
When was the last time they went to confession?
Some Catholics actually believe what the Catholic Church teaches.
A Vatican spokesman said Monday that Francis won’t personally be distributing communion — the wafer and wine that Catholics believe transform into the blood and body of Christ when consecrated during Mass — but that it will instead done by 500 priests assisting.
But Cardinal Donald Wuerl of Washington, part of the conclave that elected Francis, has said he would offer Pelosi communion despite her views on abortion because he didn’t believe communion should be used as a weapon. “We never - the Church just didn’t use Communion this way. It wasn’t a part of the way we do things, and it wasn’t a way we convinced Catholic politicians to appropriate the faith and live it and apply it; the challenge has always been to convince people,” Wuerl said in a 2010 interview. His position would logically extend to Biden. The vice president’s bishop, Francis Malooly of Wilmington, Del., has also said he would not deny communion to Biden.
We could all pray for a Eucharistic miracle, maybe the host will turn to stone. God, are you listening?
Actually, it would have been a diplomatic nightmare for the Pope to have refused them communion.
But, don’t worry, there is someone higher than the Pope who is taking notes.
And that's the problem. Their support for abortion and faggotry is public, repeated, and notorious. It is an ongoing scandal both to the faithful and to "others".
IMO, the public and scandalous nature of their conduct cries out for an equally public censure from their bishops, for a formal excommunication. Such action would be merciful; a call to repentance.
Worthiness to Receive Holy Communion: General Principles
Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger
Prefect, Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith
[Note: The following memorandum was sent by Cardinal Ratzinger to Cardinal McCarrick and was made public in the first week of July 2004.]
1. Presenting oneself to receive Holy Communion should be a conscious decision, based on a reasoned judgment regarding ones worthiness to do so, according to the Churchs objective criteria, asking such questions as: “Am I in full communion with the Catholic Church? Am I guilty of grave sin? Have I incurred a penalty (e.g. excommunication, interdict) that forbids me to receive Holy Communion? Have I prepared myself by fasting for at least an hour?” The practice of indiscriminately presenting oneself to receive Holy Communion, merely as a consequence of being present at Mass, is an abuse that must be corrected (cf. Instruction “Redemptionis Sacramentum,” nos. 81, 83).
2. The Church teaches that abortion or euthanasia is a grave sin. The Encyclical Letter Evangelium vitae, with reference to judicial decisions or civil laws that authorize or promote abortion or euthanasia, states that there is a “grave and clear obligation to oppose them by conscientious objection. [...] In the case of an intrinsically unjust law, such as a law permitting abortion or euthanasia, it is therefore never licit to obey it, or to ‘take part in a propaganda campaign in favour of such a law or vote for it’” (no. 73). Christians have a “grave obligation of conscience not to cooperate formally in practices which, even if permitted by civil legislation, are contrary to Gods law. Indeed, from the moral standpoint, it is never licit to cooperate formally in evil. [...] This cooperation can never be justified either by invoking respect for the freedom of others or by appealing to the fact that civil law permits it or requires it” (no. 74).
3. Not all moral issues have the same moral weight as abortion and euthanasia. For example, if a Catholic were to be at odds with the Holy Father on the application of capital punishment or on the decision to wage war, he would not for that reason be considered unworthy to present himself to receive Holy Communion. While the Church exhorts civil authorities to seek peace, not war, and to exercise discretion and mercy in imposing punishment on criminals, it may still be permissible to take up arms to repel an aggressor or to have recourse to capital punishment. There may be a legitimate diversity of opinion even among Catholics about waging war and applying the death penalty, but not however with regard to abortion and euthanasia.
4. Apart from an individual’s judgment about his worthiness to present himself to receive the Holy Eucharist, the minister of Holy Communion may find himself in the situation where he must refuse to distribute Holy Communion to someone, such as in cases of a declared excommunication, a declared interdict, or an obstinate persistence in manifest grave sin (cf. can. 915).
5. Regarding the grave sin of abortion or euthanasia, when a persons formal cooperation becomes manifest (understood, in the case of a Catholic politician, as his consistently campaigning and voting for permissive abortion and euthanasia laws), his Pastor should meet with him, instructing him about the Churchs teaching, informing him that he is not to present himself for Holy Communion until he brings to an end the objective situation of sin, and warning him that he will otherwise be denied the Eucharist.
6. When “these precautionary measures have not had their effect or in which they were not possible,” and the person in question, with obstinate persistence, still presents himself to receive the Holy Eucharist, “the minister of Holy Communion must refuse to distribute it” (cf. Pontifical Council for Legislative Texts Declaration “Holy Communion and Divorced, Civilly Remarried Catholics” , nos. 3-4). This decision, properly speaking, is not a sanction or a penalty. Nor is the minister of Holy Communion passing judgment on the persons subjective guilt, but rather is reacting to the persons public unworthiness to receive Holy Communion due to an objective situation of sin.
[N.B. A Catholic would be guilty of formal cooperation in evil, and so unworthy to present himself for Holy Communion, if he were to deliberately vote for a candidate precisely because of the candidates permissive stand on abortion and/or euthanasia. When a Catholic does not share a candidates stand in favour of abortion and/or euthanasia, but votes for that candidate for other reasons, it is considered remote material cooperation, which can be permitted in the presence of proportionate reasons.]
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They say “views” as if it’s merely an opinion they hold. Pelosi and Biden have done more than any single abortionist could ever dream of to prolong this holocaust. And yet, they’re fit to received the consecrated body and blood of our Lord in the eyes of our new pope.
What a mess we’re in.
Maybe these two hypocrites do things to make THEMSELVES feel good - but it's a terrible sin to mock God!!
Is anyone really surprised by this?
Well done...it is
Yes, troubling. Although, I think it is more troubling that they’re apparently still allowed communion at their local parishes. (As notorious as these people are, it still seems that their local bishops would be in the better position to know more about their “eligibility” to partake). Reading too much into something that didn’t happen once while they were thousands of miles away from the clergy that know them best. If they receive communion next Sunday at home it will disturb me more. (Just my 2 cents’ worth.)