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Posted on 03/22/2013 10:51:40 AM PDT by DouglasKC

Easter customs mix pagan myths, rituals, symbols and practices with just a little truth. What's wrong with this picture?

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How Christian is Easter?


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KEYWORDS: christ; easter; holydays
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1 posted on 03/22/2013 10:51:40 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

You mean Resurrection Day, don’cha’ ?


2 posted on 03/22/2013 10:52:41 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: knarf
You mean Resurrection Day, don’cha’ ?

Same thing different name right?

3 posted on 03/22/2013 10:56:14 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

What is the point of pushing pseudo Academic old stuff from James Frazier?

You don’t like Easter?


4 posted on 03/22/2013 10:57:39 AM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: ifinnegan
What is the point of pushing pseudo Academic old stuff from James Frazier? You don’t like Easter?

I love the Lord and HIS holy days!

5 posted on 03/22/2013 11:00:21 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

Some Christians beleive Easter is a Christian Holy Day. Others do not. What the apostle Paul says about this is practical....

Col. 2
Freedom From Human Rules
16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. 18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you. Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind. 19 They have lost connection with the head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.

20 Since you died with Christ to the elemental spiritual forces of this world, why, as though you still belonged to the world, do you submit to its rules: 21 “Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!”? 22 These rules, which have to do with things that are all destined to perish with use, are based on merely human commands and teachings. 23 Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.


6 posted on 03/22/2013 11:00:35 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: DouglasKC

Thanks. I forgot the heretical Armstrong-ites were still around.


7 posted on 03/22/2013 11:01:10 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo ( Walker 2016)
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To: DouglasKC

I’ve always found it interesting that from sunset Friday to sunrise Sunday is 3 nights and 3 days.


8 posted on 03/22/2013 11:05:03 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again,")
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To: Responsibility2nd
Colossians chapter 2 has nothing to do with the biblical holy days of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Col 2:20 Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations—

The biblical holy days of the Lord are not basic priniciples of the "World". They are the days commanded by the Lord in sacred scripture.

Col 2:21 "Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,"
Col 2:22 which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men?

The biblical holy days of Jesus Christ are not "commandments and doctrines of men" but are holy days created and instituted by Jesus Christ.

The view you're repeating of Colossians 2 is an old one that attempts to justify not observing the Lords' holy days.

9 posted on 03/22/2013 11:06:28 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC; All

Aspects of today’s Easter celebration are undoubtedly the result of the secular commercializaton of Easter after many decades. It’s hard to guess how the non-biblical searh for colored eggs originated imo.


10 posted on 03/22/2013 11:07:24 AM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Thane_Banquo
Thanks. I forgot the heretical Armstrong-ites were still around.

Thanks, I noticed you had no substantive arguments... :-)

11 posted on 03/22/2013 11:07:34 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: fella
I’ve always found it interesting that from sunset Friday to sunrise Sunday is 3 nights and 3 days

Biblically a new day begin at sunset...

12 posted on 03/22/2013 11:09:20 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

Your response is rather cryptic.

I don’t know what point you are trying to make in this post or in the response.


13 posted on 03/22/2013 11:11:37 AM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: Amendment10
Aspects of today’s Easter celebration are undoubtedly the result of the secular commercializaton of Easter after many decades. It’s hard to guess how the non-biblical searh for colored eggs originated imo.

Easter is a replacement for the annual holy day of Passover which the Lord Jesus Christ created, kept, and told his followers to keep...

14 posted on 03/22/2013 11:11:41 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: ifinnegan
Your response is rather cryptic. I don’t know what point you are trying to make in this post or in the response.

The point is that the Lord has holy days that are found in the bible and I love him and them.

15 posted on 03/22/2013 11:12:51 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Amendment10
It’s hard to guess how the non-biblical searh for colored eggs originated imo.

Easter eggs are a Christian tradition derived from people not eating eggs during Lent. They would have eggs left to eat on Easter, and eventually they started coloring them etc.

16 posted on 03/22/2013 11:16:06 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo ( Walker 2016)
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To: DouglasKC
The point is that the Lord has holy days that are found in the bible and I love him and them

How does the video you linked to as the topic of this thread relate to your statement italicized above?

17 posted on 03/22/2013 11:20:23 AM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: ifinnegan
The point is that the Lord has holy days that are found in the bible and I love him and them
How does the video you linked to as the topic of this thread relate to your statement italicized above?

The video makes that clear...you should watch it!

18 posted on 03/22/2013 11:22:16 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

Oh, I struck a nerve.

Easter is Biblical or its a tradition of men.

Where in the Bible is it commanded we celebrate Easter?


19 posted on 03/22/2013 11:23:34 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

“Where in the Bible is it commanded we celebrate Easter?”

Easter is older than the New Testament.


20 posted on 03/22/2013 11:25:17 AM PDT by Hilda
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To: DouglasKC

The video is a review of the views of George Frazier, who was not a Christian and presented his “research” to claim all religious beliefs, including Christianity and Christ’s Resurrection are but re-plays of human belief systems modified throughout history.

Are you pushing the view that the death and Resurrection of Christ is a lie and a re-hash of older pagan beliefs?

That is what the video you link to states.


21 posted on 03/22/2013 11:26:20 AM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: Responsibility2nd
Easter is Biblical or its a tradition of men.
Where in the Bible is it commanded we celebrate Easter?

Nowhere.

22 posted on 03/22/2013 11:26:40 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

John 1:29 The next day he *saw Jesus coming to him and *said, “Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!

Behold, the Passover Lamb, slain from the foundations of the earth, who took away the sin of the world!

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the Book of Life of the Lamb, slain from the foundation of the world.

There are plenty of clues, for him who has an ear to hear. YHVH did not come in the flesh to do away with himself. Yeshua is the living Torah. His sheep follow Him, they want to live like Him who kept the Torah, all the days and ways of His life.


23 posted on 03/22/2013 11:26:47 AM PDT by veracious
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To: Thane_Banquo

Yep. It is also associated with the tradition of Mary Magdalene using an egg to explain the resurrection, which turned blood-red in her hand. The egg is her iconic symbol in some old icons.


24 posted on 03/22/2013 11:27:09 AM PDT by Hilda
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To: DouglasKC

“Easter is a replacement for the annual holy day of Passover which the Lord Jesus Christ created, kept, and told his followers to keep...”

And it called “Pascha” - passover - in almost the entire world.

English is a late-comer.


25 posted on 03/22/2013 11:28:11 AM PDT by Hilda
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To: Hilda

Easter is older than the New Testament.

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Its also a pagan holiday originating from the Norse and the Saxons. Indians, Greeks, Wiccans and many other ancient cultures have Easter traditions.

Including Christians.


26 posted on 03/22/2013 11:30:49 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: ifinnegan
The video is a review of the views of George Frazier, who was not a Christian and presented his “research” to claim all religious beliefs, including Christianity and Christ’s Resurrection are but re-plays of human belief systems modified throughout history.

You didn't get the video if you watched it. The video is NOT a review of the views of George Frazier. I think it uses one quote to support some of it's views but it also quotes many others.

Are you pushing the view that the death and Resurrection of Christ is a lie and a re-hash of older pagan beliefs?

Not at all. That's not what the video is about either.

27 posted on 03/22/2013 11:30:49 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Amendment10

So you’re saying Jesus and the Apostles didn’t hide Easter eggs and find them? Then that means this Easter business is some sort of hoax on the Christian community with Easter being a false fertility god and eggs and rabbits being signs of pagan fertility rites. I knew there was something hokey about the whole deal.


28 posted on 03/22/2013 11:31:23 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: knarf

The resurrection happened at night.


29 posted on 03/22/2013 11:33:10 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: fella
I’ve always found it interesting that from sunset Friday to sunrise Sunday is 3 nights and 3 days.

Read it again. He said He would rise on the third day... not after three days were over.

30 posted on 03/22/2013 11:34:40 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: ifinnegan

Easter is a pagan insult that leads people to eternity in the lake of fire.


31 posted on 03/22/2013 11:35:00 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: BipolarBob
So you’re saying Jesus and the Apostles didn’t hide Easter eggs and find them?

That was right after they had a sunrise service....

Eze 8:16 So He brought me into the inner court of the LORD's house; and there, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about twenty-five men with their backs toward the temple of the LORD and their faces toward the east, and they were worshiping the sun toward the east.
Eze 8:17 And He said to me, "Have you seen this, O son of man? Is it a trivial thing to the house of Judah to commit the abominations which they commit here? For they have filled the land with violence; then they have returned to provoke Me to anger. Indeed they put the branch to their nose.
Eze 8:18 Therefore I also will act in fury. My eye will not spare nor will I have pity; and though they cry in My ears with a loud voice, I will not hear them."

32 posted on 03/22/2013 11:37:42 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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Easter is a replacement for the annual holy day of Passover which the Lord Jesus Christ created, kept, and told his followers to keep...

No. More directly, that would be Holy Thursday and Good Friday... when the meal is celebrated and the Lamb is sacrificed. Easter is new... no other Passover Lamb came back to life.

33 posted on 03/22/2013 11:38:05 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: DouglasKC

I wrote George Frazier, when I meant James Frazier (author of Golden Bough).

Make what you are saying clear. It seems you are saying we should not celebrate Easter.

Is that what you are saying?


34 posted on 03/22/2013 11:38:49 AM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: editor-surveyor
Perhaps ... but no one knows

Scripture said the women came in the morning

35 posted on 03/22/2013 11:40:35 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: pgyanke
No. More directly, that would be Holy Thursday and Good Friday... when the meal is celebrated and the Lamb is sacrificed. Easter is new... no other Passover Lamb came back to life.

There are no such days created by the Lord nor found in his scriptures...

36 posted on 03/22/2013 11:41:08 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

All the Christian celebrations mix pagan customs and Christian symbols. Santa and Rudolph. Bunnies and colored eggs. More fun for kids.


37 posted on 03/22/2013 11:41:55 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Pi$$ed off yet?)
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To: Responsibility2nd

“Its also a pagan holiday originating from the Norse and the Saxons”

No actually, it is not. Christians were celebrating it centuries before Christianity came to Norway or Germany.


38 posted on 03/22/2013 11:42:24 AM PDT by Hilda
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To: ifinnegan
It seems you are saying we should not celebrate Easter.

I will make it plain. NO, you should not celebrate Easter the pagan holiday. It is an offense to the Lord.

39 posted on 03/22/2013 11:42:35 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: ifinnegan
Make what you are saying clear. It seems you are saying we should not celebrate Easter. Is that what you are saying?

I'm not saying anything. Christ said we should observe His days and Easter isn't among them.

40 posted on 03/22/2013 11:42:37 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Responsibility2nd

Paul was not speaking about “easter.” it took two centuries after Paul’s time for the easter abomination to defile Christian worship.

In verses 20-23 he was speaking of the false Torah of the Pharisees, which laid nonsensical restrictions on peoples behavior that were unscriptural. the spirit of that false oral torah later became the “catholic church.”


41 posted on 03/22/2013 11:43:03 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: I want the USA back
All the Christian celebrations mix pagan customs and Christian symbols. Santa and Rudolph. Bunnies and colored eggs. More fun for kids

The video addresses this point...although the conclusion isn't that it's fun for kids...

42 posted on 03/22/2013 11:43:48 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Responsibility2nd

“Wiccans and many other ancient cultures”

You think Wiccans are an ancient culture?


43 posted on 03/22/2013 11:43:49 AM PDT by Hilda
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To: BipolarBob

At least you have the guts to say it plain.

Appreciate it.


44 posted on 03/22/2013 11:44:34 AM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: editor-surveyor

Easter is an abomination?


45 posted on 03/22/2013 11:46:44 AM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: ifinnegan; BipolarBob
At least you have the guts to say it plain. Appreciate it.

Hey I resent that! I have guts!

46 posted on 03/22/2013 11:46:48 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: editor-surveyor

“Paul was not speaking about “easter.” it took two centuries after Paul’s time for the easter “

Actually, one of the earliest controversy in the church was whether to commemorate it on Passover or on the Sunday following. That was mid-second-century. Polycarp - a 1st century bishop of Smyrna and disciple of the Apostle John - commemorated it on passover. Reference:

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf201.iii.x.xxv.html


47 posted on 03/22/2013 11:48:17 AM PDT by Hilda
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To: fella

>> “I’ve always found it interesting that from sunset Friday to sunrise Sunday is 3 nights and 3 days.” <<

By pagan calendar days, Yeshua was crucified on Wedneaday afternoon, at the same time that the lambs were being slaughtered for the passover that was to begin at sunset that day. It was a perfect three days and nights, just as the scriptures required.


48 posted on 03/22/2013 11:48:17 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

I beleive Paul was teaching tolerance of those involved in “religious holy days” like New Moon celebrations.

Just as today we should be tolerant of those who observe Good Friday and Easter as “religious holy days”.


49 posted on 03/22/2013 11:51:11 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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I should have kept my mouth shut. I’ll be careful that the door doesn’t hit me on the way out.


50 posted on 03/22/2013 11:51:36 AM PDT by Amendment10
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