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Bergoglio makes mincemeat of journalist (socialism = evil)
Diocese of Salford ^ | 3/24/2013

Posted on 03/24/2013 8:49:58 AM PDT by markomalley

The following is a transcript of an interview between an atheist American journalist and then-Cardinal Bergolio. It is clear why the interview was never broadcast. In it, Cardinal Bergoglio makes mincemeat of the typical leftist interview techniques of so many people in the broadcast media.

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REPORTER: Welcome Cardinal.

BERGOGLIO: Thank you. Happy to speak with you.

REPORTER: Well, let me get into it directly. Last conclave, you were almost elected Pope. Can this happen again?

BERGOGLIO: What? That I will almost be the Pope, again?

REPORTER: No. Will you be the next Pope?

BERGOGLIO: Friend, I’m only jesting with you. I understand the question. I will not be the next Pope.

REPORTER: Why not?

BERGOGLIO: I chose not to. God has someone else in mind I’m certain.

REPORTER: But you would take the job if it were offered.

BERGOGLIO: I think not.

REPORTER: Why not.

BERGOGLIO: I believe I’m too embroiled in the secular fiasco. It is a spiritual job and I’m a soldier. Look at the nature of power. In Europe first and now in America, elected men have taken it upon themselves to indebt their people to create an atmosphere of dependency. And why? For their own selfish need to increase their own personal power. I’ve been a keen observer of the effect this has on the people, especially the poor. They are very good at creating poverty where there is no reason to explain it. My job is try to alleviate poverty and if that means to oppose the ‘cause then I will not be Pope.

REPORTER: But you are worried you would be a spend thrift pope?

BERGOGLIO: Friend. Where did you go to school?

REPORTER: La Salle College High School in Pennsylvania and….

BERGOGLIO: And after that?

REPORTER: College of the Holy Cross.

BERGOGLIO: They told me you were Catholic. Once elected the Pope is by virtue of the promise of Jesus to Peter, the Pope is preserved from the possibility of error. God would change any spend thrift politician into a responsible Pope. I’m just saying I’m not that man.

REPORTER: So what is your job?

BERGOGLIO: My job is to ask you, “why are men creating poverty?”

REPORTER: What do you mean?BERGOGLIO: I mean that poverty is part of the natural condition and that is bad enough. But my task is to prevent the aggravation of this condition. The ideology that adds to the poverty must be denounced. I have and this is the reason I will not be Pope. I have a saying for myself, “No more poverty than God originally intended in the fall from Grace.”

REPORTER: Oh.

BERGOGLIO: It is a spiritual choice and I’m a political person. I’m sorry. I know you will make more money from this interview if I’m Pope. Or want to be Pope. But I’m sorry. I can’t help you. God has already chosen someone anyway. Right? You learned this in school?

REPORTER: Yes. Well… Where are you on the issues that matter most, issues about contraception, women priests?

BERGOGLIO: This might be a surprise to you, but I am Catholic. We are Catholic. It isn't an issue and for you to pretend that it is being debated goes against God.

REPORTER: If you were Pope then you would not change anything.

BERGOGLIO: Certainly God would direct the new Pope to have more compassion for these newly created poor. And if there is any social justice in the Church, the new Pope would have a stern word for the creators of the new situation.

REPORTER: But you are staunchly orthodox on the issues of abortion, contraception, and same-sex marriage.

BERGOGLIO: I am Catholic.

REPORTER: You were punished for opposed same-sex marriage in Argentina. You opposed free contraception and the government exiled you. What do you have to say about that?

BERGOGLIO: I am Catholic.

REPORTER: In the secular world, as you say, you follow the conservative line. You oppose, uh, same-sex marriages, very popular with young people. You are conservative on birth control. Won’t that be the doom of the Church, alienating young people who support reality based faith?

BERGOGLIO: Since God created the world, he also created reality. You seem to be arguing that a man can’t be Catholic in reality. Son, you are a Catholic?

REPORTER: Yes, of course. I meant no disrespect.

BERGOGLIO: You don’t have to worry about offending me.

REPORTER: Okay, good. Can a, uh, Pope even be elected if he is pro-choice or pro-love? I mean isn’t the election sort of fixed in favor of anti-abortion and anti-gay marriage?

BERGOGLIO: Yes, the election is fixed by God.

REPORTER: Very witty.

BERGOGLIO: Well, you did ask.

REPORTER: It is being reported in America that you are against marriage equality. Is that why you feel that you can’t be Pope?

BERGOGLIO: God chooses the Pope and God also made men and women different.

REPORTER: But you are ...a conservative and oppose abortion!

BERGOGLIO: Friend the expression on your face gives you away.

REPORTER: I’m sorry, I’m just trying to do my job.

BERGOGLIO: And what job is that?

REPORTER: I’ve been sent to interview eight men in line for the papacy.

BERGOGLIO: And I guarantee you that they all oppose abortion. So…

REPORTER: But…

BERGOGLIO: So, you feel like you need to alienate the eight from the flock?

REPORTER: That isn’t it. How can the church attract young people when it is opposed to abortion and contraception?

BERGOGLIO: Young people are just as attracted to the truth as they are convenience and expediency. So we will call it a draw.

REPORTER: Doesn't the church need to modernize?

BERGOGLIO: Finally, I’ve met someone who will advocate publicly painting over the Sistine Chapel with one of the contemporary street artists. Are you sure you support this and in public?

REPORTER: What?

BERGOGLIO: Forgive me, I was rude.

REPORTER: Won’t the new pope, don't these cardinals realize what they've gotta do if they want to attract young people to the church?

BERGOGLIO: I am a cardinal.

REPORTER: Won’t the new pope, don't you and the other cardinals realize what they must do if they want to attract young people to the church?

BERGOGLIO: I’ve explained the mysteries of the atom to rural young people and also I’ve explained the Grace of God. And you know what? They can understand both perfectly well. Frankly, I have more trouble with adults understanding both.

REPORTER: But they have done focus groups; if you want to spread your message you can't have this position that's anti-gay marriage and anti-contraception.

BERGOGLIO: And you treat the church as a political institution.

REPORTER: So we were not gonna see any kind of change when it comes to things that matter like abortion or gay marriage?

BERGOGLIO: All eight of the men you will be talking to are Catholic.

REPORTER: Okay, I understand. Let’s talk about your controversial stand on poverty.

BERGOGLIO: You want it to be controversial?

REPORTER: But don’t you blame various governments around the world for poverty?

BERGOGLIO: Some. Yes.

REPORTER: But you refuse to blame corporations for their role.

BERGOGLIO: Okay, they also told me you have a degree in economics. No buyer, or seller either, enters into any exchange against his will. It is the nature of the economy. Man is frail, and he makes mistakes and sometimes is greedy and they enter into exchanges that don’t help them. Sometimes they become poor, but they made choices. There is nothing the Church can do except try to educate people to become good consumers. Chiefly, for me, it is an education solution on that side. And the Church has more schools around the globe than any other faith. I say teach the people to save their souls, and also teach them how not to become poor. And now not to allow the government to trick them into poverty.

REPORTER: And you blame government.

BERGOGLIO: No, I blame the self-serving politicians.

REPORTER: So your solution to poverty is to change the nature of politics?

BERGOGLIO: Please feel free to broadcast this; I don’t want to be pope. Friend, you are a socialist and your friends are socialists. And you are the reason for 70 years of misery in Russia and Europe now is seizing in pain from your policies. You believe in the redistribution of wealth and it makes entire populations poor. You want to nationalize everything and bring every human endeavor under your control. You destroy a man’s incentive to take care of his very own family, a crime against nature and nature’s God. You want social control over populations and incrementally you are making everything against the law. Together this ideology creates more poverty today than all the corporations you vilify have in the history of man.

REPORTER: I’ve never heard such from a Cardinal. I’m not sure if you are here to help yourself or disqualify yourself.

BERGOGLIO: Please air this interview. People being dominated by socialists need to know we don’t all have to be poor. Some poverty is part of our being cast out of the Garden of Eden. But look at the empire of dependency created by Hugo Chavez. Promising them, tricking them into worship of government and his very own person. Giving them fish but not allowing them to fish. If a fisherman does develop a talent today in Latin America; he is castigated and his catch stolen by the socialists. He stops…

REPORTER: You would be the first pope from the Americas.

BERGOGLIO: He stops fishing. I will not be pope, but yes I am from Argentina.

REPORTER: And you didn't want to be pope?

BERGOGLIO: God didn’t want me to be pope.

REPORTER: Perhaps he changed his mind.

BERGOGLIO: Ludicrous.

REPORTER: Okay, I’m sorry. I feel like we are getting off on the wrong path. I’m sorry.

BERGOGLIO: Yes, lets be productive.

REPORTER: You are a classic conservative Catholic theologian?

BERGOGLIO: Of course there's politics clearly in the Curia throughout the Vatican, but in terms of church teaching, it's not a political institution. It's religious.

REPORTER: I heard people, in fact, media people, "Is this cardinal, is he a liberal? Is he a conservative?"

BERGOGLIO: Tell them please, “He's a Catholic.” It's no more complicated than that. Catholicism is what it is. You don't have to believe it; you may not. You don't have to follow it; you may not go to Mass. But it's not up to you to modernize us.

REPORTER: You see no room for reform?

BERGOGLIO: It's not up to any religion, although some do this, 'cause they want the money. They want the membership. But the Catholic Church doesn't do it. It's not up to them to bend and shape and mold itself to accommodate the shrinking depravity of a worldwide culture. It's to provide the exact opposite. It's to provide a beacon out of depravity, socialism and sin, among other things.

REPORTER: If pope you would be bad news for the left.

BERGOGLIO: I won’t be pope. But I am opposed to abortion. I’m opposed to euthanasia. The pro-choice movement is a culture of death. I oppose the demonic same-sex marriage. I oppose gay adoption on the grounds that it is discriminatory to the child. I was exiled by the Cristina Kirchner government, but I hold no grudge. How is this bad news?

REPORTER: John Paul II rescued you?

BERGOGLIO: He made me the archbishop of Buenos Aires. Yes.

REPORTER: And so you feel like you owe the Right some sort of repayment?

BERGOGLIO: There are many values… and many types of people. Perhaps it is my interest in mathematics, but I’m the type of human who is interested most in the truth. God gave me a healthy love for the truth. Loyalty is only a virtue if in support of the truth or another important value.

REPORTER: Cristina Kirchner said you held a grudge.

BERGOGLIO: Funny I’ve never spoken her name. Not once. And it is a battle of ideas not a battle of two or more people. I’m only concerned with ideas.

REPORTER: She said you refused to speak up for civil rights violations.

BERGOGLIO: As a spiritual leader, I opposed cultural modernization, and so I became a political enemy. I understand politics as well as I do mathematics.

REPORTER: And the Jesuits, they were eager to cast you out, which they did.

BERGOGLIO: So you are implying that I’m a vengeful priest?

REPORTER: Do you feel that you need to erase the progress recently made in Latin America?

BERGOGLIO: I say “poverty”. You say “progress”.

REPORTER: Let's talk about poverty.

BERGOGLIO: Sure, there is voluntary poverty that is virtuous. Many understood the nobility of making themselves independent of the fleeting things of earth. They are distractions from our pursuit of the truth. I have no problem with this. I only oppose involuntary poverty.

REPORTER: That is what I thought you would say.

BERGOGLIO: Why?

REPORTER: Because you are a capitalist right?

BERGOGLIO: Yes, I think capital is needed to build a factory, a parochial school, or a church or hospital, all. Do you oppose factories or churches or hospitals?

REPORTER: Of course not but don’t you think the capital is sucked out of people’s hands by greedy business types to pay for these factories?

BERGOGLIO: No, I think people agree, through their economic choices, that some of their money goes to build these. Capital building should be voluntary. Only when the politician confiscates their wealth, to build government factories, government schools, government hospitals; only then do the people not agree. Money given voluntarily is legitimate to build with. Money coerced from the people is not legitimate to build with, because it isn’t given voluntarily.

REPORTER: You are opposed to all government?

BERGOGLIO: No of course not. But it isn’t the seat of wisdom in any society I’ve seen in my life. The best government was created by the Americans, in which they admitted that people are “endowed by their creator” and most of the administration of society was left to the relationship between God and man. However, slowly that has been eroded by the atheists on the left, who would replace man’s relationship with God with a new relationship with an opportunist like Hugo Chavez.

REPORTER: I just found it fascinating that you were willing to stand up to an entire government in Argentina. You where cast aside. Didn’t you care about your career?

BERGOGLIO: Yes, there are people who cave to worldly authority. Even priests.

REPORTER: But you didn’t?

BERGOGLIO: No, I changed nothing. How did I have the power to change anything in church teaching? My opinion? The democrats, seeking votes, only wanted me to change my opinion and legitimize their decadence. I did not, as evidenced by the fact that I was teaching high school math in small isolated town.

REPORTER: I’m sorry that happened to you.

BERGOGLIO: Why don’t you feel for others oppressed for their interest in freedom.

REPORTER: Freedom isn’t punished anywhere, is it?

BERGOGLIO: Certainly it is.

REPORTER: In Latin America?

BERGOGLIO: I’m afraid Latin America is lost. The people of the entire area are controlled by a bloc of militant “socialist” regimes in the region, most prominently Venezuela, Ecuador, Bolivia and Nicaragua. They have a gun pointed at their head. So their heart is now captured. Who will save them at this point?

REPORTER: So the game is over. Checkmate?

BERGOGLIO: Friend, I’ve been studying America this month, before the Pope chose to resign. You must not have fear at speaking the truth. It is for the salvation of souls and the recovery of Thomas Jefferson’s people. America must not fall to the new painted communism. Even the low information voters don’t want America to be sold into slavery. I pray they cast out the money changers in their government! What manner of government is there that condones sin? Abomination upon abomination--giving monies for the murder of children, giving monies for the murder of the elderly! You are an American. Your government, My child, has been infiltrated by men of sin.

REPORTER: These are pretty radical ideas.

BERGOGLIO: No. Perhaps reactionary. Radical means something different. But a very long time ago, Khrushchev warned, that we cannot expect Americans to fly from capitalism to communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small injections of socialism until they suddenly awake to find out they have Communism. This is what is happening now in an ancient bastion of freedom. How can America save Latin America when they are slaves to the government themselves?

REPORTER: I’m having a hard time digesting most of this.

BERGOGLIO: The truth can be painful. You look angry; do you want to stop or ask a question? … But you have created a new type of state, the so-called ‘welfare state.’ This has happened in order to respond to the needs of the politically created poor. However, intervening directly is depriving the original society of its responsibility. Families escape responsibility in the welfare state. And churches even escape responsibility. People stop giving to charity and see every poor person as the government’s problem. I am a Catholic priest and there are no poor for me to take care of, they are made permanently poor and the property of the politicians.

REPORTER: I’m not sure this interview is going to work.

BERGOGLIO: You asked and now you will listen, my son. The social assistance state leads to a loss of human energies and an inordinate increase of public agencies, which are dominated more by bureaucratic thinking than by real concern for helping people. Needs are best understood and satisfied by people who are closest to them who act as neighbors and parish members to those in need. It should be added that certain kinds of demands often call for a response which is not simply material but which is capable of perceiving the deeper human need. This is not to mention the welfare state’s excesses and abuses.

REPORTER: I think we are done.

BERGOGLIO: Wait. If I speak on the ordination of women, on celibacy, on divorce, will you air this interview and my message?

REPORTER: No, we are done.

BERGOGLIO: Partially what irritates me to the core is the media’s inability to look at anything without looking into the cause of the various problems. People are made poor so they will vote for the very candidates that made them poor.

REPORTER: Have a nice day and thanks for your time.


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It would be nice to know the source of this (i.e., where the Diocese of Salford got ahold of this transcript).

Having said that, I love this line:

Friend, you are a socialist and your friends are socialists. And you are the reason for 70 years of misery in Russia and Europe now is seizing in pain from your policies. You believe in the redistribution of wealth and it makes entire populations poor. You want to nationalize everything and bring every human endeavor under your control. You destroy a man’s incentive to take care of his very own family, a crime against nature and nature’s God. You want social control over populations and incrementally you are making everything against the law. Together this ideology creates more poverty today than all the corporations you vilify have in the history of man....People being dominated by socialists need to know we don’t all have to be poor. Some poverty is part of our being cast out of the Garden of Eden. But look at the empire of dependency created by Hugo Chavez. Promising them, tricking them into worship of government and his very own person. Giving them fish but not allowing them to fish. If a fisherman does develop a talent today in Latin America; he is castigated and his catch stolen by the socialists. He stops…

I would dearly LOVE to have this interview authenticated...

1 posted on 03/24/2013 8:49:58 AM PDT by markomalley
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oh, btw, h/t to Damian Thompson


2 posted on 03/24/2013 8:51:59 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: markomalley

This cannot be authentic. He may indeed hold some of these opinions and positions but I’m doubtful about some others. And even of those that sound like they might be what he believes, I have serious doubts about his willingness to air them this bluntly.

But I pray that I’m wrong.

It just doesn’t seem credible.

What can you tell us about the website from which it came?


3 posted on 03/24/2013 8:58:16 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: markomalley

But it does seem to be the diocese’s genuine website and they posted it as fact, not satire.

So, it must be authentic. But even in someone whose media trademark is maverick and no-nonsense bluntness, the bluntness here is hard to believe.

But it must be. Perhaps he is the one to de-manure the Curia.


4 posted on 03/24/2013 9:01:59 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: Houghton M.
What can you tell us about the website from which it came?

It's an official diocesan website. It is a suffragan diocese to the Archdiocese of Liverpool. It's bishop is Bishop Terrance John Brain. It's communications officer is Fr. John Flynn. The diocese as 315,000 faithful registered.

Otherwise, not much.

5 posted on 03/24/2013 9:03:17 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: markomalley

THis is how it should be done.


6 posted on 03/24/2013 9:03:18 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: markomalley

Unless the Bishop of Salford has a truly mischievous sense of humor and invented this as being just close enough to what we know of Bergoglio to make it plausible to most and therefore a real liberal-head-exploder.

So they invented it and posted it as fact just to see libs take the bait and scream bloody murder???


7 posted on 03/24/2013 9:05:14 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: Houghton M.

What got me was when he basically quoted Centesimus Annus 48 almost verbatim.

Again, I just put it here with the caveat in my initial comment. Hopefully it pans out to be the truth.


8 posted on 03/24/2013 9:05:41 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: markomalley

The one thing that keeps me suspicious is that they posted it as a factual interview, never aired, but don’t give any information about when the interview was done,by whom, who the reporter was etc.

If it truly was an actual interview, by internal evidence done presumably shortly before the recent conclave, then why wouldn’t they identify time, place, interviewer?

That inclines one to think that it’s satire but has just enough plausiblity to be oh-so-effective.


9 posted on 03/24/2013 9:07:45 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: markomalley

If this is real I LOVE THIS GUY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


10 posted on 03/24/2013 9:10:09 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: markomalley

I do know that he believes that—George Weigel had a major interview with him in May 2012 or 2011, incorporated into Weigel’s book, though I know it from Weigel’s op-ed in National Review.

Weigel quotes him as saying much the same.

Whoever put this together knows Bergoglio’s record VERY well. It echoes things we know he has taught and said in the past but states them with a kind of bluntness that I just can’t imagine even a warhorse bishop saying in a public interview.

But perhaps he did. If so, he’s a George S. Patton kind of guy.

But I still think it might be very clever liberal-head-exploding artifice.

That Bishop Brain sure has one.


11 posted on 03/24/2013 9:10:53 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: Houghton M.
That inclines one to think that it’s satire but has just enough plausiblity to be oh-so-effective.

Yup.

If it was, unattributed as it is, posted anywhere but on an "official" site as it is, I would not have even posted it.

12 posted on 03/24/2013 9:11:20 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: Houghton M.

I think we’ve found the next pope: His Excellency Terrance Brain, bishop of Salford.


13 posted on 03/24/2013 9:15:07 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: markomalley

ROTFLOL! What a sharp guy!


14 posted on 03/24/2013 9:15:27 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: markomalley

The following section strikes me as the sort of thing Bergoglio would NOT have said. And it points to an American author,not a British one. So perhaps Bishop Brain didn’t create this but his diocese posted it, to his credit.

REPORTER: I’m sorry that happened to you.

BERGOGLIO: Why don’t you feel for others oppressed for their interest in freedom.

REPORTER: Freedom isn’t punished anywhere, is it?

BERGOGLIO: Certainly it is.

REPORTER: In Latin America?

BERGOGLIO: I’m afraid Latin America is lost. The people of the entire area are controlled by a bloc of militant “socialist” regimes in the region, most prominently Venezuela, Ecuador, Bolivia and Nicaragua. They have a gun pointed at their head. So their heart is now captured. Who will save them at this point?

REPORTER: So the game is over. Checkmate?

BERGOGLIO: Friend, I’ve been studying America this month, before the Pope chose to resign. You must not have fear at speaking the truth. It is for the salvation of souls and the recovery of Thomas Jefferson’s people. America must not fall to the new painted communism. Even the low information voters don’t want America to be sold into slavery. I pray they cast out the money changers in their government! What manner of government is there that condones sin? Abomination upon abomination—giving monies for the murder of children, giving monies for the murder of the elderly! You are an American. Your government, My child, has been infiltrated by men of sin.


15 posted on 03/24/2013 9:17:53 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: miele man

later read


16 posted on 03/24/2013 9:20:26 AM PDT by miele man
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To: Houghton M.

I agree. The use of the term “low information voter” was the clue for me. Go the the Dioceses website which indicates Pope Benedict will go the UK in the Fall. I know that it false.


17 posted on 03/24/2013 9:21:35 AM PDT by rcofdayton (.)
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To: markomalley

Good God, I pray this is real. I love this man. He has the conviction to wield the sword of St Peter, and the clarity to trim your sideburns with it.


18 posted on 03/24/2013 9:22:45 AM PDT by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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Sadly, the link has been yanked.

pity.


19 posted on 03/24/2013 9:23:42 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: Religion Moderator

Please lock this thread. The original link has disappeared.

Thanks.


20 posted on 03/24/2013 9:24:29 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: markomalley
Probably satire.

BERGOGLIO: Friend. Where did you go to school?
REPORTER: La Salle College High School in Pennsylvania and….
BERGOGLIO: And after that?
REPORTER: College of the Holy Cross.

Those are Chris Matthews' alma maters.
21 posted on 03/24/2013 9:28:19 AM PDT by irishjuggler
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To: Houghton M.

I agree totally with all of this Cardinal’s responses. But, I also find it fascinating if this interview were to be authentic. So, I will express doubts until I see proof of authenticity.


22 posted on 03/24/2013 9:30:35 AM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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To: markomalley

I was able to access the site when I first clicked on the Diocese of Salford link you provided. I wanted to send it to a lot of my friends and family.

Then, I tried the site again from your posting and I get an error message. So i googled the Diocese of Salford, found it, went there and cannot find this interview on the site.

I love the interview..but I think it is a hoax.


23 posted on 03/24/2013 9:32:30 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: markomalley

The link goes to a “404 Not Found” page. Looks like this article was taken down from the Diocese of Salford site; a site search does not come up with it. If you can still find it, please post a specific link.


24 posted on 03/24/2013 9:35:18 AM PDT by SFConservative
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To: SFConservative
The link goes to a “404 Not Found” page. Looks like this article was taken down from the Diocese of Salford site; a site search does not come up with it. If you can still find it, please post a specific link.

It was there...and the link was yanked. That is why I asked His Eminence, the RM, to lock the thread.

25 posted on 03/24/2013 9:37:49 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: markomalley

I found on Google news that the Telegraph had an article about this. They could not authenticate it and thought it must be a hoax, even though they happily published its contents.

I think it is not looking good for the authenticity of this interview.


26 posted on 03/24/2013 9:43:43 AM PDT by married21
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To: markomalley

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100208720/did-pope-francis-really-say-that-socialism-causes-misery-and-that-america-is-heading-towards-a-form-of-communism/

Salford yanked it. Link now dead. Here is a UK Telegraph analysis of the fact that it is probably a fake.


27 posted on 03/24/2013 9:45:16 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: markomalley

Fantastic interview! Pity the authenticity stands in doubt.


28 posted on 03/24/2013 9:46:02 AM PDT by Lexinom
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To: markomalley
Have they already taken it down? Here's what I got when I clicked on the link:
404 - Article #4005 not found

You may not be able to visit this page because of:

    an out-of-date bookmark/favourite
    a search engine that has an out-of-date listing for this site
    a mistyped address
    you have no access to this page
    The requested resource was not found.
    An error has occurred while processing your request.

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Article #4005 not found

29 posted on 03/24/2013 9:51:54 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: irishjuggler

It can’t have been Chrissy because Bergoglio appears to actually have been given time to speak.


30 posted on 03/24/2013 9:52:15 AM PDT by SFConservative
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To: markomalley

Oops, sorry... didn’t see your retraction.


31 posted on 03/24/2013 9:53:27 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: markomalley

But, boy, was it ever a great fake! What was the Dan Rather quote about fake but true?


32 posted on 03/24/2013 9:55:49 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: markomalley

This reads like someone’s idea of what an interview by Chris Matthews of Pope Francis/Cardinal Bergoglio would be like if Matthews were free to go on with the Pope the way he would with a conservative Republican. But it doesn’t read as something that actually happened


33 posted on 03/24/2013 9:57:54 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: markomalley

Wow...just wow...I hope it is an authentic interview..


34 posted on 03/24/2013 10:04:43 AM PDT by Popman
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To: LibWhacker
But, boy, was it ever a great fake!

Yes. It reminded me of "Whose face is on this coin?"

Sure wish it was real.

35 posted on 03/24/2013 10:05:31 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Me too! Fake though it may be, I’ve still saved it in a prominent spot on my desktop for constant review, so I can memorize the main ideas in the “cardinal’s” talking points. Lots of good stuff in there.


36 posted on 03/24/2013 10:15:20 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: markomalley

If it is authentic, then Pope Francis has been listening to Rush! (Some of Rush’s catch phrases, such as “Low-Information Voters” are uttered by the the Cardinal in this interview.) Even so, it was a fun read!


37 posted on 03/24/2013 10:27:03 AM PDT by left that other site (Worry is the darkroom that developes negatives.)
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To: Marie Antoinette

ping babay!


38 posted on 03/24/2013 10:33:43 AM PDT by Big Giant Head
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To: markomalley

“low information voter”

Makes me think it is a fake interview.


39 posted on 03/24/2013 10:43:50 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: SFConservative

But when the reporter realized he had failed to either discredit Cardinal Bergoglio or find inconsistencies in his views, he abruptly ended the interview & took his marbles and went home.

If authentic, this interview shows Pope Francis to be one tough cookie. Bad news for “progressives”.


40 posted on 03/24/2013 10:48:49 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: zot; Interesting Times; SeekAndFind; Alamo-Girl

An excellent interview with Pope Francis before he was elected. worth reading in its entirity,

[Cardinal Bergolio to Reporter] — Friend, you are a socialist and your friends are socialists. And you are the reason for 70 years of misery in Russia and Europe now is seizing in pain from your policies. You believe in the redistribution of wealth and it makes entire populations poor. You want to nationalize everything and bring every human endeavor under your control. You destroy a man’s incentive to take care of his very own family, a crime against nature and nature’s God.


41 posted on 03/24/2013 11:52:43 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: markomalley

When I read the link was pulled - I decided it was for real.

It sounds like Him to me. I read somewhere, I think it was a Raymond Arroyo email containing a quote from somewhere - that Cardinal Bergoglio is known to be an ___-kicking kind of guy.


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But the Catholic Church doesn’t do it. It’s not up to them to bend and shape and mold itself to accommodate the shrinking depravity of a worldwide culture. It’s to provide the exact opposite. It’s to provide a beacon out of depravity, socialism and sin, among other things.
REPORTER: If pope you would be bad news for the left.


REPORTER: Do you feel that you need to erase the progress recently made in Latin America?
BERGOGLIO: I say “poverty”. You say “progress”.


42 posted on 03/24/2013 12:02:52 PM PDT by PraiseTheLord (economic civil war ?)
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To: vladimir998


“low information voter”

Makes me think it is a fake interview.

Note that description is very often used - in some circles here.

AND the Cardinal said that only just recently he had been studying these American things.

Sounds exactly correct that he would use such a term in the circumstances. Maybe he was Rush-in-the-face of the ‘reporter’


43 posted on 03/24/2013 12:09:50 PM PDT by PraiseTheLord (economic civil war ?)
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To: markomalley

I got very skeptical after I saw the expression “low information voters” in the Cardinal’s quote.


44 posted on 03/24/2013 12:12:01 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (Fighting Obama without Boehner & McConnell is like going deer hunting without your accordion)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks markomalley.
Look at the nature of power. In Europe first and now in America, elected men have taken it upon themselves to indebt their people to create an atmosphere of dependency. And why? For their own selfish need to increase their own personal power. I’ve been a keen observer of the effect this has on the people, especially the poor. They are very good at creating poverty where there is no reason to explain it.

45 posted on 03/24/2013 12:17:35 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: markomalley

The Pope preserved from the possibility of error? Has he read much history?


46 posted on 03/24/2013 12:33:04 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: markomalley

Don’t hold your breath waiting to learn the source of this fictitious interview. http://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/2013/03/pope-francis-socialism-causes-misery.html

For fact-checkable information concerning Pope Francis’ economic and political views, please explore:

Pax on both houses: Pope Francis: “Free Markets Are Tyrannical ...
paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/.../pope-francis-i-criticizes-capitalist....4 days ago – In his first tweet after his inauguration on the @Pontifex account, Pope Francis said: “Let us keep a place for Christ in our lives, let us care for ...

Pax on both houses: Pope Francis and Social Sin
paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/.../pope-francis-i-and-social-sin.html5 days ago – Although Pope Francis is a conservative fellow, his Latin American upbringing forces recognition of social sin whose structure is responsible for ...

Pax on both houses: Pope Francis: “Mercy makes the world... more ...
paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/.../pope-francis-mercy-makes-world-...7 days ago – In his address from the balcony above St. Peter’s Square on Sunday, March 17, 2013, Pope Francis told the crowd that he wanted to talk about ...

Pax on both houses: Pope Francis’ First Papal Decision: “Carnival ...
paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/.../pope-francis-first-papal-decision.h...Mar 16, 2013 – Former cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio travelling on Buenos Aires subway in 2008 Pope Francis was known to use public transport in Buenos ...

Pax on both houses: Pope Francis: Comments On Economic Inequality
paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/.../pope-francis-comments-on-econo...Mar 16, 2013 – Pax on both houses. The best is ... Pope Francis: Comments On Economic Inequality ... Pope Francis Criticizes Capitalist World’s “Econom.

Pax on both houses: Pope Francis Set To Oppose...
paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/.../pope-frances-seems-set-to-oppose....Mar 17, 2013 – “When you pick up a volume of the social teaching of the Church you are amazed at what it condemns. For example, it condemns economic ...

Pax on both houses: Pope Francis and the junta: What really ...
paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/.../pope-francis-and-junta-what-reall...Mar 16, 2013 – In this 1966 photo released by the El Salvador School, Argentine seminarian Jorge Mario Bergoglio smiles for a portrait at the El Salvador ...

Pax on both houses: “Francis, a pope of the poor,” E.J. Dionne
paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com/.../francis-pope-of-poor-ej-dionne.ht...Mar 14, 2013 – In winning election as Pope Francis, Jorge Mario Bergoglio defied the papal pundits, even though they should have seen him coming. His rise ...


47 posted on 03/24/2013 1:54:18 PM PDT by AArchibald (Pope Francis' fact-checkable economic and political views)
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To: AArchibald
Welcome to FR. If the political attitudes on the blog you are pimping are any indication of what you plan to post here, you likely will not last very long. So let me give you a word of advice:

Now, more than ever, we need to call to mind the words of Archbishop Charles Chaput:

We make a very serious mistake if we rely on media like the New York Times, Newsweek, CNN, or MSNBC for reliable news about religion. These news media simply don’t provide trustworthy information about religious faith—and sometimes they can’t provide it, either because of limited resources or because of their own editorial prejudices. These are secular operations focused on making a profit. They have very little sympathy for the Catholic faith, and quite a lot of aggressive skepticism toward any religious community that claims to preach and teach God’s truth.

Things of the Church reported in the secular media, particularly about the Holy Father, need to be viewed with the most jaundiced eye.

Those words would tend to serve you well here as well as in life.

48 posted on 03/24/2013 2:23:02 PM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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49 posted on 03/24/2013 2:24:20 PM PDT by narses
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To: markomalley

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100208720/did-pope-francis-really-say-that-socialism-causes-misery-and-that-america-is-heading-towards-a-form-of-communism/


50 posted on 03/24/2013 2:26:40 PM PDT by narses
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