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Two popes, two Palm Sundays (a visual contrast)
The Deacon's Bench ^ | March 24, 2013 | Deacon Greg Kandra

Posted on 03/24/2013 2:39:36 PM PDT by NYer

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1 posted on 03/24/2013 2:39:36 PM PDT by NYer
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Fascinating! Notice especially the dramatic difference in chasuble of Msgr. Guido Marini, the Master of Papal Ceremonies.


2 posted on 03/24/2013 2:41:34 PM PDT by NYer (Beware the man of a single book - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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Good grief. Are we now going to emphasize outward appearances?

What is the dramatic difference between the two popes? Either one serves the same Triune God in the manner he sees most appropriate.

More or less lace on a chasuble not a solemnity make.


3 posted on 03/24/2013 2:54:51 PM PDT by 353FMG ( I do not indicate whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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As much as I like the traditional style, I don’t necessarily mind Francis’ simplicity either. What I can’t stand is when priests act as showmen, i.e. flashy inappropriate robes


4 posted on 03/24/2013 2:59:46 PM PDT by SMCC1
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Please declare that priests can marry! He can do it. Just look to the first pope Peter, who had a sick mother in law!!


5 posted on 03/24/2013 3:19:24 PM PDT by RushingWater
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To: 353FMG
Good grief. Are we now going to emphasize outward appearances?

NO! There are several web blogs where members are bemoaning the loss of the traditionalist papal robes, et al. FWIU, Msgr. Marini assisted Pope Benedict in his shift towards adopting and restoring certain papal garments that had fallen into disuse, such as the Saternalia hat.

Posters at these blogs are cringing at the sight of our new Holy Father minus the red mozzetta and shoes. It was simply an observation, not an obsession.

6 posted on 03/24/2013 3:19:36 PM PDT by NYer (Beware the man of a single book - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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>> What is the dramatic difference between the two popes? Either one serves the same Triune God in the manner he sees most appropriate. More or less lace on a chasuble not a solemnity make. <<

I don't see a "dramatic difference" either. They're dressed 95% alike in the two photos.

7 posted on 03/24/2013 3:21:41 PM PDT by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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Please declare that priests can marry! He can do it.

Yes he can. But, what would Jesus do?

"there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."

8 posted on 03/24/2013 3:23:35 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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The lace in the first picture (with Pope Benedict) is “Oh my goodness gracious, Maybelle. I haven’t seen anything like that since the Firestone girl’s wedding! I know what that cost, because I was at the fabric store when they special-ordered it from France. France! And her in white, too, when my mama told me her hairdresser said ...”

The lace in the second picture is, “Pretty nice. Good ironing job.”


9 posted on 03/24/2013 3:27:05 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Stand in the corner and scream with me!)
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Never understood why the Vatican loves gold and intricate figures and statues and everything. I’ve always thought of the Vatican and the “people” within as being very vain.

The pope lives like royalty, and they worship images of Mary.
Mary is not God. Jesus is.


10 posted on 03/24/2013 3:27:36 PM PDT by FreedomStar3028
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Please declare that priests can marry! He can do it.

No, he cannot. Priests cannot get married in any orthodox Christian church.

11 posted on 03/24/2013 3:28:36 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Stand in the corner and scream with me!)
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Perhaps, you and I are not as fashion concious as some of our more sophisticated FReepers.

I am an old man who fondly remembers the pre-Vatican II Mass with all its oppulence and Gregorian chant. In fact, I can still serve at a Tridentine Mass but my arthritic knees would prevent me to kneel on bare marble while I recite the beautiful introductory prayers at the foot of the Altar.


12 posted on 03/24/2013 3:33:46 PM PDT by 353FMG ( I do not indicate whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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>> they worship images of Mary. Mary is not God. Jesus is. <<

Actually, we don't worship images of Mary, but thanks for visiting this thread to chime with the protestant perspective of the papacy.

I'll be sure to return the favor and visit a protestant thread. You can hear our opinions about what we think of protestants claiming they can read God's mind and "know" they've been instantly "saved".

13 posted on 03/24/2013 3:38:33 PM PDT by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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FreedomStar3028 to ogen hal

Neutron bomb them all

But the pope has a nice robe so he's the bad guy.

14 posted on 03/24/2013 3:40:43 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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15 posted on 03/24/2013 3:42:25 PM PDT by Bratch
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Jesus, John the Baptist, John and Paul were not married. Peter was most likely married before he ever met Jesus. Not going to happen anytime soon.


16 posted on 03/24/2013 3:42:34 PM PDT by NotTallTex
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Beautiful inscription behind Pope Benedict, but I don't quite get the last bit.

"Christ defends his people from every apple."

The Bible doesn't say that the forbidden fruit eaten by Adam and Eve was an apple--that's just a popular tradition.

17 posted on 03/24/2013 3:51:02 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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Never understood why the Vatican loves gold and intricate figures and statues and everything.

Neither does my step father. See Exodus 25:18–20. Catholics use statues, paintings, and other artistic devices to recall the person or thing depicted. Just as it helps to remember one’s mother by looking at her photograph, so it helps to recall the example of the saints by looking at pictures of them. Catholics also use statues as teaching tools. In the early Church they were especially useful for the instruction of the illiterate. Many Protestants have pictures of Jesus and other Bible pictures in Sunday school for teaching children. Catholics also use statues to commemorate certain people and events, much as Protestant churches have three-dimensional nativity scenes at Christmas.

I’ve always thought of the Vatican and the “people” within as being very vain.

You're not alone. It is a common misperception. Can you specify why you feel this way?

The pope lives like royalty

Again, a misconception. The pope gives up all personal goods and resides in the papal apartments. Following the death (or, in this case) the retirement of a pope, the apartments are sealed until a new pontiff is elected. When Pope Francis was shown the apartment, his reaction was similar to yours. While no official statement has yet been made, it has been mentioned that he plans to live elsewhere in a more humble setting.

they worship images of Mary.

Catholics venerate Mary. We do not worship her. Hyperdulia or super veneration is given to only one created being, and that is the Blessed Virgin Mary. It shows that Mary, the Mother of God, is so highly blessed and endowed by God that she stands alone in her class. She is above all the angels and all the Saints. She is the Mother of God.

18 posted on 03/24/2013 3:54:31 PM PDT by NYer (Beware the man of a single book - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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"Catholics venerate Mary. We do not worship her." Word Origin & History – venerate 1620s, from L. veneratus, pp. of venerari "to reverence, worship" (see veneration). Related: Venerated, venerating. Origin: 1615–25; < Latin venerātus, past participle of venerārī to solicit the goodwill of (a god), worship, revere, verbal derivative of vener-, stem of venus, presumably in its original sense “desire”; see Venus)
20 posted on 03/24/2013 4:32:51 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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