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Pope Francis to live in Vatican guesthouse, not papal apartments
cns ^ | March 26, 2013 | Cindy Wooden

Posted on 03/26/2013 11:48:33 AM PDT by NYer

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- Pope Francis has decided not to move into the papal apartments in the Apostolic Palace, but to live in a suite in the Vatican guesthouse where he has been since the beginning of the conclave that elected him, said Jesuit Father Federico Lombardi, Vatican spokesman.

"He is experimenting with this type of living arrangement, which is simple," but allows him "to live in community with others," both the permanent residents -- priests and bishops who work at the Vatican -- as well as guests coming to the Vatican for meetings and conferences, Father Lombardi said March 26.

The spokesman said Pope Francis has moved out of the room he drew by lot before the conclave and into Suite 201, a room that has slightly more elegant furnishings and a larger living room where he can receive guests.

The Domus Sanctae Marthae, the official name of the guesthouse, was built in 1996 specifically to house cardinals during a conclave.

Celebrating Mass March 26 with the residents and guests, Pope Francis told them he intended to stay, Father Lombardi said. The permanent residents, who had to move out during the conclave, had just returned to their old rooms.

Pope Francis has been there since his election March 13, taking his meals in the common dining room downstairs and celebrating a 7 a.m. Mass with Vatican employees in the main chapel of the residence.

He will be the first pope in 110 years not to live in the papal apartments on the third floor of the Apostolic Palace.

In 1903, St. Pius X became the first pope to live in the apartments overlooking St. Peter's Square. The apartments were completely remodeled by Pope Paul VI in 1964 and have undergone smaller modifications by each pope since, according to "Mondo Vaticano," a Vatican-published mini-encyclopedia about Vatican buildings, offices and tradition.

The large living room or salon of the apartment is located directly above the papal library where official audiences with visiting bishops and heads of state are held.

Pope Francis will continue to use the library for official audiences and to recite the Angelus prayer on Sundays and holy days from the apartment window overlooking St. Peter's Square, Father Lombardi said.

The apartments contain a chapel, an office for the pope and a separate office for his secretaries, the pope's bedroom, a dining room, kitchen and rooms for two secretaries and for the household staff.

When Pope Francis returned to the guesthouse after his election, Father Lombardi had said the move was intended to be short-term while a few small work projects were completed in the papal apartments. He said March 26 that all the work had been completed, but at least for the foreseeable future, Pope Francis would not move in.

The Domus Sanctae Marthae, named after St. Martha, is a five-story building on the edge of Vatican City.

While offering relative comfort, the residence is not a luxury hotel. The building has 105 two-room suites and 26 singles; about half of the rooms are occupied by the permanent residents. Each suite has a sitting room with a desk, three chairs, a cabinet and large closet; a bedroom with dresser, night table and clothes stand; and a private bathroom with a shower.

The rooms all have telephones and access to an international satellite television system.

The building also has a large meeting room and a variety of small sitting rooms. In addition to the dining room and the main chapel, it also has four private chapels, located at the end of hallways on the third and fifth floors of each of the building's two wings.



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1 posted on 03/26/2013 11:48:33 AM PDT by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 03/26/2013 11:48:52 AM PDT by NYer (Beware the man of a single book - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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To: NYer

Why not a room at the Italian version of the Motel 6? This well-publicized poverty bit is beginning to look contrived and ridiculous.


3 posted on 03/26/2013 11:51:52 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: NYer

Our current POTUS could learn a lot from the new Pope.

But he and his family never will.


4 posted on 03/26/2013 11:51:54 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: NYer

I would do the same. I dearly loved living in the dorms at college. After growing up in a quiet home, it was heaven to have so many friends just down the hall. I hope this works out well for Pope Francis.


5 posted on 03/26/2013 11:53:17 AM PDT by married21
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To: NYer

I keep getting this mental picture of an ascetic monk.


6 posted on 03/26/2013 11:53:32 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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To: NYer
I don't know ... I'm trying to visualize/imagine this.

Here I am, a "plebe" so to speak, walking around and I meet what was once my Pope ... what do I do with the conflict of my thoughts ?

No offense, but is he now my Pope in law or something ?

7 posted on 03/26/2013 11:54:45 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: NYer

I`ll bet he`ll pay the rent, too.
What? No swimming pool, jacuzzi, weight room, pool table or continental breakfast?


8 posted on 03/26/2013 11:55:50 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Marchione.)
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To: NYer
Although I appreciate his desire for simplicity, living away from his staff and working location seems like it would cause some difficulty. It would be like the President deciding he liked sleeping across the street at Blair House instead of in the White House.

The rooms all have telephones and access to an international satellite television system.

Since Vatican City is a separate country from Italy, wouldn't a set of rabbit ears be an "international television system"? :-)

9 posted on 03/26/2013 11:56:39 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Choose one: the yellow and black flag of the Tea Party or the white flag of the Republican Party.)
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To: NYer

He’s the Jimmy Carter of the Vatican


10 posted on 03/26/2013 11:56:58 AM PDT by albie (s)
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Maybe let Benedict move back into the empty papal apartment.


12 posted on 03/26/2013 11:57:37 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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To: txrefugee
Why not a room at the Italian version of the Motel 6? This well-publicized poverty bit is beginning to look contrived and ridiculous.

Excessive humbleness can be another form of vanity. Especially PUBLIC humbleness.

13 posted on 03/26/2013 11:59:04 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: txrefugee
Why not a room at the Italian version of the Motel 6? This well-publicized poverty bit is beginning to look contrived and ridiculous.

He seems like my grandfather. No matter where he was sitting, even an uncomfortable folding chair, when someone offered him a better seat he would always say "No, I'm good right here." Sometimes we would have to make sure the comfy chair was the only one available when he came in.

14 posted on 03/26/2013 11:59:48 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Choose one: the yellow and black flag of the Tea Party or the white flag of the Republican Party.)
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To: txrefugee

In the LA archdiocese, Cardinal Mahoney needed a whole house for himself, in his retirement, when he is not even doing anything, and after his scandals cost so much of our money.

by contrast, I think Francis’ inclination to be with other people, and use facilities that are already there and ready, is a welcome contrast.

Also, I suspect he will find out a lot about what is really going on at the Vatican in the dining hall. When I was working as an attorney, it was very enlightening to have lunch with the clerks and mail room people sometimes.


15 posted on 03/26/2013 12:00:06 PM PDT by married21
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To: FatherofFive

Ditto!


16 posted on 03/26/2013 12:00:29 PM PDT by mortal19440
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To: txrefugee
Why not a room at the Italian version of the Motel 6? This well-publicized poverty bit is beginning to look contrived and ridiculous.

You wouldn't think that "well-publicized" and "poverty" would go together. My theory is that the unused funds are going towards even more publicity.

17 posted on 03/26/2013 12:00:33 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: albie
He’s the Jimmy Carter of the Vatican

I'm going to have to steal that.

18 posted on 03/26/2013 12:01:24 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: married21
I would do the same. I dearly loved living in the dorms at college. After growing up in a quiet home, it was heaven to have so many friends just down the hall. I hope this works out well for Pope Francis.

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Interesting. I guess it's very possible that Pope Francis may be accustomed to having people around him, just as you said.

If he's happier where he is, I have no problem with this at all.

19 posted on 03/26/2013 12:03:08 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: PapaBear3625

Why not a room at the Italian version of the Motel 6? ....He didn’t want to cheat his kids from a $378,000 stay in Jamaica?...Oh, wait...


20 posted on 03/26/2013 12:06:26 PM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
Our current POTUS could learn a lot from the new Pope.

Isn't the sequester tough enough on Dear Leader and his family? Look at how they're suffering.

21 posted on 03/26/2013 12:08:39 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: txrefugee
I agree. He is The Pope.

The apartments contain a chapel, an office for the pope and a separate office for his secretaries, the pope's bedroom, a dining room, kitchen and rooms for two secretaries and for the household staff.

Considering the position he holds, I actually don't consider this amount of staff or living space to be overdone. Work needs to be done, where are the staff supposed to do that work?

22 posted on 03/26/2013 12:09:16 PM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: FatherofFive

Ditto


23 posted on 03/26/2013 12:09:45 PM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: PapaBear3625

Oh please. I think he really doesn’t want to be isolated the way Popes usually are and does want to live with other normal human beings (there are something like 60 monsignori who work at the Vatican who live there year round, as well as all sorts of visitors).

And I wouldn’t be surprised if BXVI himself recommended this. Remember, he was brought down by Vatican intrigues. One thing he said to a visitor was that his valet, the one who stole and leaked his personal papers, was also the one who gave him his medications every morning. “Just imagine,” he said.

So I think the Pope is probably a lot safer at the Domus Mariae than at the Vatican apartments. In any case, living there is relatively recent: popes lived at St John Lateran (the cathedral of Rome) until Pio Nono in 1903.


24 posted on 03/26/2013 12:09:47 PM PDT by livius
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To: NYer

Some dear Catholic Friends of mine were discussing this with me.

They LOVE Pope Francis...BUT they did not like Pope Benedict. When I asked them why not, they replied that Pope Benedict was “too strict”.

I offered the possibility, that sometimes children need to be disciplined, if the parents truly love them, and the correction is followed by loving affirmation. I suggested that perhaps Pope Benedict was the “spanking” and Pope Francis is the “Hug” that comes after.

Just a thought...


26 posted on 03/26/2013 12:13:25 PM PDT by left that other site (Worry is the darkroom that developes negatives.)
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To: PapaBear3625

Honestly none of us know what is in the heart of the new Pope..but ponder this. Luxury and opulence not only give an image of excess but they also serve to corrupt. Perhaps he is not only serving as an example but is careful to keep himself humble as well, so he doesn’t become so concerned with the image and the lifestyle that he forgets his apostolic mission.

I know it’s fiction but a worthwhile analogy is Gandalf’s refusal to touch the ring. Same idea, in order to keep his humility he is denying himself the worldly treasures and comforts that tend to corrupt us and keep us from God. I doubt his behavior is all for show.


27 posted on 03/26/2013 12:13:46 PM PDT by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: NYer

After reading about him washing and kissing the feet of AIDS patients in Argentina, none of this comes as any kind of surprise. I mean, I don’t get the connection. These patients contracted an illness through a deliberate choice of behaviors they knew were risky. Then he goes and rewards them with the gift of the Catholic Church’s humility? It still seems to me we are dealing with a huge dose of “social justice” here, that’s not going to go away anytime soon, despite all of the whisperings to the contrary. Besides, maybe the guy just doesn’t do ghosts.


28 posted on 03/26/2013 12:14:13 PM PDT by 4Runner
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To: livius

Interesting. It seems that the friendship between Pope Benedict and Pope Francis is a very good thing.


29 posted on 03/26/2013 12:15:10 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: LibertarianLiz

He’s still going to work at the Vatican and is also gong to receive official visitors and do the usual papal things there. These places are very close to each other, and all he has to do is take a few minutes walk to his offices.

I seriously think this was suggested by BXVI. I think that Francis was probably going to go back to living at St John Lateran, as Bishop of Rome, and probably BXVI persuaded him to live a little closer...but still at a safe distance.


30 posted on 03/26/2013 12:17:04 PM PDT by livius
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To: livius

I think this is a legitimate expression of his desire to not live in splendor and grandeur.

Matthew 8:19-20
Then a scribe came and said to Him, “Teacher, I will follow You wherever You go.” Jesus said to him, “The foxes have holes and the birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay His head.”

Personally, I think one of the greatest tragedies of the modern American (Western?) Church is our rampant, unbridled materialism and refusal to share generously with those in need. I am NOT talking about forced redistribution by a cold-hearted, corrupt government agency, but a voluntary LOVING gesture and a spirit of true sacrifice. I applaud Pope Francis for his example


31 posted on 03/26/2013 12:18:00 PM PDT by Arkansas Toothpick
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To: knarf

Pope Francis is our new Pope.


32 posted on 03/26/2013 12:18:25 PM PDT by RedMDer (Support Free Republic)
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To: knarf

I avoid this conflict by not putting anyone upon a pedestal. A Pope, Pastor or Rabbi are not to be worshiped but given respect. Treat either one as a beloved brother, nothing more or less.


33 posted on 03/26/2013 12:18:52 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: Alex Murphy
My theory is that the unused funds are going towards even more publicity.

What unused funds? The papal apartments will have to be maintained whether or not he is living in them.

34 posted on 03/26/2013 12:23:07 PM PDT by ELS
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To: married21
use facilities that are already there and ready

The papal apartments "are already there and ready". In fact they existed before the Domus Sanctae Marthae.

35 posted on 03/26/2013 12:24:35 PM PDT by ELS
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To: NYer

This is going to be a security challenge.


37 posted on 03/26/2013 12:29:39 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: txrefugee

It actually doesn’t. It looks like he wants to be in touch and not separated. What often happens with priests and anyone with a little bit of power who is sheltered and kowtowed to they lose touch with reality. (Think U.S. politicians who think the universe revolves around them and whose minions do most of the work and shield them as much as possible.)

If he hadn’t already lived simply it would be something to question but he lived that way in Argentina, he made it obvious that he was a servant of God. He needs to make a bold statement because there are too many priests and bishops who live like royalty while ignoring their duties except the ones they can’t avoid. He is leading by example.


38 posted on 03/26/2013 12:31:12 PM PDT by tiki
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To: PapaBear3625

He has just decided to live the way he always did.

It wasn’t “excessive humbleness” when nobody knew who he was.

I don’t like anybody cooking for me.

I would rather cook my own food.

I like to cook.


39 posted on 03/26/2013 12:31:59 PM PDT by FoxPro
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To: 4Runner
These patients contracted an illness through a deliberate choice of behaviors they knew were risky.

You really think this child got AIDS through risky behavior? Really?!?


40 posted on 03/26/2013 12:32:59 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM ("Miserando atque eligendo")
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To: NYer

... which is probably akin to using the Bentley instead of the Rolls....


41 posted on 03/26/2013 12:34:54 PM PDT by Feckless (I was trained by the US << This Tagline Censored by FR >> ain't that irOnic?)
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To: livius

He might just be used to that style of living, and after decades of apartment/dorm style life doesn’t want to live in the Papal residence.

To be honest, I don’t care. Both have drawbacks and bonuses.


42 posted on 03/26/2013 12:35:12 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: NYer

Enough already with the laying the groundwork of the simple man. If you’re going to live simply just do it and don’t advertise...that’s contrary against all we were taught.

Now my antenna is up...it comes to this after 7 Holy Fathers.

...also startled me into recalling images of the Arkenfuhrer with his bible. “Hey look at me I’m holy and righteous”.


43 posted on 03/26/2013 12:35:21 PM PDT by exPBRrat
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To: 4Runner

Yeah, I’m with you. My favorite story in the Bible is the time Jesus told the lepers to go piss up a rope.

I mean, washing their FEET? Conduct unbecoming the King of Kings if ever I’ve seen it.


45 posted on 03/26/2013 12:37:16 PM PDT by OnlyTurkeysHaveLeftWings
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To: exPBRrat

What’s an Arkenfuehrer?


46 posted on 03/26/2013 12:40:22 PM PDT by married21
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To: PapaBear3625

How could his humbleness not be public?


47 posted on 03/26/2013 12:42:05 PM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: livius
I think the Pope is probably a lot safer at the Domus Mariae than at the Vatican apartments.

Perhaps. From a security viewpoint, if there are more people that have access to the building and to him, then it is less safe for him than the papal apartments. Depending on how thorough the Vatileaks investigation was, the bad actors who haven't already been removed from service in the papal household could be removed.

I remember reading that the rooms that JPII and BXVI actually lived in were quite spartan.

48 posted on 03/26/2013 12:43:22 PM PDT by ELS
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To: ELS

I fail to see how this in any way saves money, or promotes the idea of “humility.” As you pointed out, ELS, the papal apartments have to be kept up whether he is living in them or not. And now the rooms he will be living in have to be kept up, as well. It will also be a huge headache for his staff, as anyone who has ever worked as a secretary or executive assistant well knows. Having the office and staff rooms near the Pope’s bedroom in the Vatican were done on purpose, so that his staff would have easy access to both him and the office (copiers, computers, phones, fax, files and filing cabinets, calendars, stationery, etc., etc.). Now the logistics will be a nightmare. Not to mention security. It will also be a huge imposition on the people who live permanently in the guest house. They will be subjected to security and all the problems that will go with the head of state living in their apartment building. On the contrary, I see this as causing a huge amount of discomfort for a very large number of people, and in that regard, it is displaying anything but humility. It seems quite selfish, to me.


49 posted on 03/26/2013 12:43:25 PM PDT by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed Catholic Texan)
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To: PapaBear3625

He is the pope, he can’t avoid the publicity. He lived simply in Argentina and chooses to live simply at the Vatican.

He chose the name Francis after St. Francis of Assisi who chose to live in poverty even though his family was wealthy. Poverty, living it to address the spiritual poverty that has overtaken our world and the human poverty that really ensues because of the spiritual poverty seems to be something he is going to base his papacy on.

I am ecstatic that he is taking bold steps. He is sending a message, a bold message and believe me the usual subjects are taking notice.

Pope Benedict’s papacy really laid the groundword for Pope Francis, Benedict slowly pulled the Church, especially the American church away from extreme liberalism. Liberal bishops have been replaced with conservative, faithful bishops and Pope Francis will have a much more receptive and obedient American church. I can only believe that this same pattern was followed throughout the world.


50 posted on 03/26/2013 12:45:30 PM PDT by tiki
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