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Posted on 03/26/2013 11:48:33 AM PDT by NYer
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Why not a room at the Italian version of the Motel 6? This well-publicized poverty bit is beginning to look contrived and ridiculous.
Our current POTUS could learn a lot from the new Pope.
But he and his family never will.
I would do the same. I dearly loved living in the dorms at college. After growing up in a quiet home, it was heaven to have so many friends just down the hall. I hope this works out well for Pope Francis.
I keep getting this mental picture of an ascetic monk.
Here I am, a "plebe" so to speak, walking around and I meet what was once my Pope ... what do I do with the conflict of my thoughts ?
No offense, but is he now my Pope in law or something ?
I`ll bet he`ll pay the rent, too.
What? No swimming pool, jacuzzi, weight room, pool table or continental breakfast?
The rooms all have telephones and access to an international satellite television system.
Since Vatican City is a separate country from Italy, wouldn't a set of rabbit ears be an "international television system"? :-)
He’s the Jimmy Carter of the Vatican
Maybe let Benedict move back into the empty papal apartment.
Excessive humbleness can be another form of vanity. Especially PUBLIC humbleness.
He seems like my grandfather. No matter where he was sitting, even an uncomfortable folding chair, when someone offered him a better seat he would always say "No, I'm good right here." Sometimes we would have to make sure the comfy chair was the only one available when he came in.
In the LA archdiocese, Cardinal Mahoney needed a whole house for himself, in his retirement, when he is not even doing anything, and after his scandals cost so much of our money.
by contrast, I think Francis’ inclination to be with other people, and use facilities that are already there and ready, is a welcome contrast.
Also, I suspect he will find out a lot about what is really going on at the Vatican in the dining hall. When I was working as an attorney, it was very enlightening to have lunch with the clerks and mail room people sometimes.
You wouldn't think that "well-publicized" and "poverty" would go together. My theory is that the unused funds are going towards even more publicity.
I'm going to have to steal that.
Interesting. I guess it's very possible that Pope Francis may be accustomed to having people around him, just as you said.
If he's happier where he is, I have no problem with this at all.
Why not a room at the Italian version of the Motel 6? ....He didn’t want to cheat his kids from a $378,000 stay in Jamaica?...Oh, wait...
Isn't the sequester tough enough on Dear Leader and his family? Look at how they're suffering.
The apartments contain a chapel, an office for the pope and a separate office for his secretaries, the pope's bedroom, a dining room, kitchen and rooms for two secretaries and for the household staff.
Considering the position he holds, I actually don't consider this amount of staff or living space to be overdone. Work needs to be done, where are the staff supposed to do that work?
Oh please. I think he really doesn’t want to be isolated the way Popes usually are and does want to live with other normal human beings (there are something like 60 monsignori who work at the Vatican who live there year round, as well as all sorts of visitors).
And I wouldn’t be surprised if BXVI himself recommended this. Remember, he was brought down by Vatican intrigues. One thing he said to a visitor was that his valet, the one who stole and leaked his personal papers, was also the one who gave him his medications every morning. “Just imagine,” he said.
So I think the Pope is probably a lot safer at the Domus Mariae than at the Vatican apartments. In any case, living there is relatively recent: popes lived at St John Lateran (the cathedral of Rome) until Pio Nono in 1903.
Some dear Catholic Friends of mine were discussing this with me.
They LOVE Pope Francis...BUT they did not like Pope Benedict. When I asked them why not, they replied that Pope Benedict was “too strict”.
I offered the possibility, that sometimes children need to be disciplined, if the parents truly love them, and the correction is followed by loving affirmation. I suggested that perhaps Pope Benedict was the “spanking” and Pope Francis is the “Hug” that comes after.
Just a thought...
Honestly none of us know what is in the heart of the new Pope..but ponder this. Luxury and opulence not only give an image of excess but they also serve to corrupt. Perhaps he is not only serving as an example but is careful to keep himself humble as well, so he doesn’t become so concerned with the image and the lifestyle that he forgets his apostolic mission.
I know it’s fiction but a worthwhile analogy is Gandalf’s refusal to touch the ring. Same idea, in order to keep his humility he is denying himself the worldly treasures and comforts that tend to corrupt us and keep us from God. I doubt his behavior is all for show.
After reading about him washing and kissing the feet of AIDS patients in Argentina, none of this comes as any kind of surprise. I mean, I don’t get the connection. These patients contracted an illness through a deliberate choice of behaviors they knew were risky. Then he goes and rewards them with the gift of the Catholic Church’s humility? It still seems to me we are dealing with a huge dose of “social justice” here, that’s not going to go away anytime soon, despite all of the whisperings to the contrary. Besides, maybe the guy just doesn’t do ghosts.
Interesting. It seems that the friendship between Pope Benedict and Pope Francis is a very good thing.
He’s still going to work at the Vatican and is also gong to receive official visitors and do the usual papal things there. These places are very close to each other, and all he has to do is take a few minutes walk to his offices.
I seriously think this was suggested by BXVI. I think that Francis was probably going to go back to living at St John Lateran, as Bishop of Rome, and probably BXVI persuaded him to live a little closer...but still at a safe distance.
I think this is a legitimate expression of his desire to not live in splendor and grandeur.
Then a scribe came and said to Him, Teacher, I will follow You wherever You go. Jesus said to him, The foxes have holes and the birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay His head.
Personally, I think one of the greatest tragedies of the modern American (Western?) Church is our rampant, unbridled materialism and refusal to share generously with those in need. I am NOT talking about forced redistribution by a cold-hearted, corrupt government agency, but a voluntary LOVING gesture and a spirit of true sacrifice. I applaud Pope Francis for his example
Pope Francis is our new Pope.
I avoid this conflict by not putting anyone upon a pedestal. A Pope, Pastor or Rabbi are not to be worshiped but given respect. Treat either one as a beloved brother, nothing more or less.
What unused funds? The papal apartments will have to be maintained whether or not he is living in them.
The papal apartments "are already there and ready". In fact they existed before the Domus Sanctae Marthae.
This is going to be a security challenge.
It actually doesn’t. It looks like he wants to be in touch and not separated. What often happens with priests and anyone with a little bit of power who is sheltered and kowtowed to they lose touch with reality. (Think U.S. politicians who think the universe revolves around them and whose minions do most of the work and shield them as much as possible.)
If he hadn’t already lived simply it would be something to question but he lived that way in Argentina, he made it obvious that he was a servant of God. He needs to make a bold statement because there are too many priests and bishops who live like royalty while ignoring their duties except the ones they can’t avoid. He is leading by example.
He has just decided to live the way he always did.
It wasn’t “excessive humbleness” when nobody knew who he was.
I don’t like anybody cooking for me.
I would rather cook my own food.
I like to cook.
You really think this child got AIDS through risky behavior? Really?!?
... which is probably akin to using the Bentley instead of the Rolls....
He might just be used to that style of living, and after decades of apartment/dorm style life doesn’t want to live in the Papal residence.
To be honest, I don’t care. Both have drawbacks and bonuses.
Enough already with the laying the groundwork of the simple man. If you’re going to live simply just do it and don’t advertise...that’s contrary against all we were taught.
Now my antenna is up...it comes to this after 7 Holy Fathers.
...also startled me into recalling images of the Arkenfuhrer with his bible. “Hey look at me I’m holy and righteous”.
Yeah, I’m with you. My favorite story in the Bible is the time Jesus told the lepers to go piss up a rope.
I mean, washing their FEET? Conduct unbecoming the King of Kings if ever I’ve seen it.
What’s an Arkenfuehrer?
How could his humbleness not be public?
Perhaps. From a security viewpoint, if there are more people that have access to the building and to him, then it is less safe for him than the papal apartments. Depending on how thorough the Vatileaks investigation was, the bad actors who haven't already been removed from service in the papal household could be removed.
I remember reading that the rooms that JPII and BXVI actually lived in were quite spartan.
I fail to see how this in any way saves money, or promotes the idea of “humility.” As you pointed out, ELS, the papal apartments have to be kept up whether he is living in them or not. And now the rooms he will be living in have to be kept up, as well. It will also be a huge headache for his staff, as anyone who has ever worked as a secretary or executive assistant well knows. Having the office and staff rooms near the Pope’s bedroom in the Vatican were done on purpose, so that his staff would have easy access to both him and the office (copiers, computers, phones, fax, files and filing cabinets, calendars, stationery, etc., etc.). Now the logistics will be a nightmare. Not to mention security. It will also be a huge imposition on the people who live permanently in the guest house. They will be subjected to security and all the problems that will go with the head of state living in their apartment building. On the contrary, I see this as causing a huge amount of discomfort for a very large number of people, and in that regard, it is displaying anything but humility. It seems quite selfish, to me.
He is the pope, he can’t avoid the publicity. He lived simply in Argentina and chooses to live simply at the Vatican.
He chose the name Francis after St. Francis of Assisi who chose to live in poverty even though his family was wealthy. Poverty, living it to address the spiritual poverty that has overtaken our world and the human poverty that really ensues because of the spiritual poverty seems to be something he is going to base his papacy on.
I am ecstatic that he is taking bold steps. He is sending a message, a bold message and believe me the usual subjects are taking notice.
Pope Benedict’s papacy really laid the groundword for Pope Francis, Benedict slowly pulled the Church, especially the American church away from extreme liberalism. Liberal bishops have been replaced with conservative, faithful bishops and Pope Francis will have a much more receptive and obedient American church. I can only believe that this same pattern was followed throughout the world.
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