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Pope Francis to live in Vatican guesthouse, not papal apartments
cns ^ | March 26, 2013 | Cindy Wooden

Posted on 03/26/2013 11:48:33 AM PDT by NYer

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To: NYer

... which is probably akin to using the Bentley instead of the Rolls....


41 posted on 03/26/2013 12:34:54 PM PDT by Feckless (I was trained by the US << This Tagline Censored by FR >> ain't that irOnic?)
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To: livius

He might just be used to that style of living, and after decades of apartment/dorm style life doesn’t want to live in the Papal residence.

To be honest, I don’t care. Both have drawbacks and bonuses.


42 posted on 03/26/2013 12:35:12 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: NYer

Enough already with the laying the groundwork of the simple man. If you’re going to live simply just do it and don’t advertise...that’s contrary against all we were taught.

Now my antenna is up...it comes to this after 7 Holy Fathers.

...also startled me into recalling images of the Arkenfuhrer with his bible. “Hey look at me I’m holy and righteous”.


43 posted on 03/26/2013 12:35:21 PM PDT by exPBRrat
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To: 4Runner

Yeah, I’m with you. My favorite story in the Bible is the time Jesus told the lepers to go piss up a rope.

I mean, washing their FEET? Conduct unbecoming the King of Kings if ever I’ve seen it.


45 posted on 03/26/2013 12:37:16 PM PDT by OnlyTurkeysHaveLeftWings
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To: exPBRrat

What’s an Arkenfuehrer?


46 posted on 03/26/2013 12:40:22 PM PDT by married21
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To: PapaBear3625

How could his humbleness not be public?


47 posted on 03/26/2013 12:42:05 PM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: livius
I think the Pope is probably a lot safer at the Domus Mariae than at the Vatican apartments.

Perhaps. From a security viewpoint, if there are more people that have access to the building and to him, then it is less safe for him than the papal apartments. Depending on how thorough the Vatileaks investigation was, the bad actors who haven't already been removed from service in the papal household could be removed.

I remember reading that the rooms that JPII and BXVI actually lived in were quite spartan.

48 posted on 03/26/2013 12:43:22 PM PDT by ELS
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To: ELS

I fail to see how this in any way saves money, or promotes the idea of “humility.” As you pointed out, ELS, the papal apartments have to be kept up whether he is living in them or not. And now the rooms he will be living in have to be kept up, as well. It will also be a huge headache for his staff, as anyone who has ever worked as a secretary or executive assistant well knows. Having the office and staff rooms near the Pope’s bedroom in the Vatican were done on purpose, so that his staff would have easy access to both him and the office (copiers, computers, phones, fax, files and filing cabinets, calendars, stationery, etc., etc.). Now the logistics will be a nightmare. Not to mention security. It will also be a huge imposition on the people who live permanently in the guest house. They will be subjected to security and all the problems that will go with the head of state living in their apartment building. On the contrary, I see this as causing a huge amount of discomfort for a very large number of people, and in that regard, it is displaying anything but humility. It seems quite selfish, to me.


49 posted on 03/26/2013 12:43:25 PM PDT by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed Catholic Texan)
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To: PapaBear3625

He is the pope, he can’t avoid the publicity. He lived simply in Argentina and chooses to live simply at the Vatican.

He chose the name Francis after St. Francis of Assisi who chose to live in poverty even though his family was wealthy. Poverty, living it to address the spiritual poverty that has overtaken our world and the human poverty that really ensues because of the spiritual poverty seems to be something he is going to base his papacy on.

I am ecstatic that he is taking bold steps. He is sending a message, a bold message and believe me the usual subjects are taking notice.

Pope Benedict’s papacy really laid the groundword for Pope Francis, Benedict slowly pulled the Church, especially the American church away from extreme liberalism. Liberal bishops have been replaced with conservative, faithful bishops and Pope Francis will have a much more receptive and obedient American church. I can only believe that this same pattern was followed throughout the world.


50 posted on 03/26/2013 12:45:30 PM PDT by tiki
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To: nanetteclaret

Yep.

BTW, did you ever hear again from that Indian Catholic FReeper named “Eustace”?


51 posted on 03/26/2013 12:46:14 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: txrefugee

So he’d be better off living in extreme luxury?


53 posted on 03/26/2013 12:48:54 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: steve86

Wow! You’re going back into the time vaults, aren’t you? I had to think for a moment about who you meant, but the answer is “no.”


54 posted on 03/26/2013 12:48:56 PM PDT by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed Catholic Texan)
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To: PapaBear3625; mickie; flaglady47
"Excessive humbleness can be another form of vanity. Especially PUBLIC humbleness."

Jogged my memory....."I am well aware that I am the umblest person going. My mother is likewise a very umble person. We live in a umble abode. We are so very umble."

(Uriah Heep in "David Copperfield", chapter 16, by Charles Dickens).

Leni

56 posted on 03/26/2013 12:50:02 PM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: txrefugee

“This well-publicized poverty bit is beginning to look contrived and ridiculous.”


He didn’t hold a press conference about it. He mentioned it to the other building residents at mass. If other people find out about things you do and announce them and talk them up, how does that make your conduct contrived? It means other people are looking for things to talk about. It does not mean that you have done anything contrived or ridiculous.

I seriously doubt Francis wastes time creating news about his humility so that he can see himself being talked about on tv.


57 posted on 03/26/2013 12:50:02 PM PDT by married21
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To: longfellowsmuse
Honestly none of us know what is in the heart of the new Pope..but ponder this. Luxury and opulence not only give an image of excess but they also serve to corrupt. Perhaps he is not only serving as an example but is careful to keep himself humble as well, so he doesn’t become so concerned with the image and the lifestyle that he forgets his apostolic mission.

I agree with you. Some Catholics, however, will take offense over any criticism non-Catholics might make about things "Catholic". Though there IS a public awareness of the image being portrayed by the regalia and opulence on display at the Vatican, some think no one has any right to comment about it if they aren't Catholic or it is negative in any way. I respect the new Pope's desire to be, as well as appear, humble in his ministry. I wish him well.

58 posted on 03/26/2013 12:53:56 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: nanetteclaret

Eustace and his comments were somewhat controversial here but he did one very nice thing for me. I had a question once in need of an answer — he actually had an EWTN priest friend of his call me and answer it. I did not ever speak to Eustace directly but had given him our phone number. Last email I got he was claiming to be in Australia.


59 posted on 03/26/2013 12:58:02 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: steve86; NYer; Alamo-Girl; markomalley; stfassisi
I keep getting this mental picture of an ascetic monk.

Jeepers, dear steve86, but I don't! The picture I have of Pope Francis beginning to develop in my mind is that he is (1) a man of pristine orthodoxy; (2) politically astute WRT both intra- and extra-church matters. Meaning: By engaging in the World, he identifies the "point" at which Faith (Spirit) and Reason (human intellect) dynamically intersect.

In this way, Pope Francis carries on the pontifical work of his two splendid predecessors, Blessed John-Paul II and Benedict XVI.

Yet his history shows him to have been embroiled in disputes with the reigning powers of his home country, Argentina. I do believe he was exiled from there at one point, because his teachings on Life were inconvenient to the plans of the (still-sitting) "progressive" government there.

Although he is a Jesuit, it seems his order didn't want to have much to do with him at the time, or since.

It appears he is NOT a "Reformist" on theological/doctrinal matters. Also that it's likely he's going to give Church "Progressives" the fits, going forward.

Yet his modeling of Christian agape, humility and poverty in his very manner of living and dealing with others of all descriptions only gives power and force to his message to the World.

Which, of course, we have only just begun to hear.

In short, steve86, I think Pope Francis is demonstrably too much engaged — in the the Church, its Message, its culture, its politics — to be legitimately characterized as an "ascetic monk." It is the job of an ascetic monk to "withdraw" from the World. It doesn't look much to me like Pope Francis is "withdrawn" in this sense. Rather, I get the eerie feeling that his gaze is very much trained on the World at large, "outside" the Vatican....

We'll see if this humble assessment is correct, in due course....

p.s.: The Great Prayer of St. Francis:

Lord, make me an instrument of Thy Peace:

Where there is hatred, let me sow Love;
Where there is injury, Pardon;
Where there is doubt, Faith;
Where there is despair, Hope;
Where there is sadness, Joy;
Where there is darkness, Light.

Oh Divine Master! Grant —
That I may not so much seek to be consoled,
As to console;
Not so much to be understood,
As to understand;
Not so much to be loved,
As TO LOVE.

For it is in giving that we receive;
It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
It is in dying
That we are born again
Unto Eternal Life.
Amen.

Cardinal Archbishop Jorge Mario Bergoglio took Francis' name for his papal name, for the first time in the history of the papacy.

What does this actually mean?

Stay tuned; time is the mother of Truth....

60 posted on 03/26/2013 12:58:04 PM PDT by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through the eye. — William Blake)
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