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Catholic Archbishop Declares Alligator Seafood for Lent
Delish ^ | March 27, 2013 | Kiri Tannenbaum

Posted on 03/27/2013 1:17:45 PM PDT by Alex Murphy

Catholics around the world have been celebrating the announcement of Pope Francis. Now catholics in Louisiana have one more reason to celebrate: they can eat alligator during the abstaining days of Lent.

According to NPR, the alligator was officially sanctioned as a member of the seafood group three years ago after Jim Piculas wrote a letter to Archbishop Gregory M. Aymond of New Orleans asking to settle a debate among his friends. The Archbishop responded saying, "Yes, the alligator's considered in the fish family, and I agree with you — God has created a magnificent creature that is important to the state of Louisiana, and it is considered seafood."

The reptile is a favorite among residents of Lousiana, especially in New Orleans, where you can find it in everything from po boy sandwiches to cheesecake at Jacques-Imo's. Because the question comes up in Louisiana every year during Lent, when Catholics around the world may eat seafood but no other meat on Fridays, Piculas posted the archbishop's letter on Facebook and it went viral.

As New Orleans is also a shrimp town, this is welcome news for Jay Nix, owner of the Parkway Bakery. During Lent, seafood orders at Parkway are high in demand, reaching 3,400 pounds of shrimp per day. He hopes news of alligator being approved as seafood will "take some pressure off of our shrimp sales."


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According to NPR, the alligator was officially sanctioned as a member of the seafood group three years ago after Jim Piculas wrote a letter to Archbishop Gregory M. Aymond of New Orleans asking to settle a debate among his friends. The Archbishop responded saying, "Yes, the alligator's considered in the fish family, and I agree with you — God has created a magnificent creature that is important to the state of Louisiana, and it is considered seafood."

1 posted on 03/27/2013 1:17:45 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

Now if only they could consider a hamburger a seafood, my Lenten Season would be much easier. lol. /sarc.


2 posted on 03/27/2013 1:19:47 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: napscoordinator

How about a burger from Water Bison?


3 posted on 03/27/2013 1:31:16 PM PDT by 11th Commandment (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: 11th Commandment

True!!!!! That is a good question that must be asked. Do you have the Pope’s number? lol.


4 posted on 03/27/2013 1:33:08 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: napscoordinator

I saw a program about capybaras once—the largest rodent in the world, native to South America. It spends a lot of time in the water so it was declared a fish...so Catholics could eat it on Fridays (back when meat was forbidden on all Fridays, not just the Fridays in Lent).


5 posted on 03/27/2013 1:44:58 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Alex Murphy

Those crazy Cajuns! Didn’t they do the same thing with nutria some years ago?


6 posted on 03/27/2013 1:48:03 PM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: All
The Crawfish [only started to be consumed in Louisiana in 1920's] is not a fish but Crustacean. So are lobsters and shrimp.

Basically, Catholics abstain from eating meat on Fridays in Lent [and all Fridays].

chicken, beef, ham, turkey -- are considered meats.

Sounds like if you want eat rattlesnake, you can...

7 posted on 03/27/2013 2:02:40 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: Alex Murphy
If someone can believe that bread is turned into human flesh it shouldn't be too hard to believe an alligator is turned into a fish. Crocodile too.
Frog legs for the French, whales for the Japanese, Fish for everyone!
8 posted on 03/27/2013 2:26:33 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: count-your-change

Or the Word become flesh. Who could believe that?


9 posted on 03/27/2013 2:46:45 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Alex Murphy
Hate to tell you, but the rule has always been that Friday abstinence involves warm blooded animals, not cold blooded. Sadly, people like to make it a little more complicated than it needs to be.

And for the record, the purpose is the most minor form of fasting in remembrance of the day the Lord was crucified. Tertullian wrote some interesting stuff on the practice back in 208 AD (or so).

10 posted on 03/27/2013 3:14:39 PM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: Alex Murphy

Muskrat was considered “fish” in a few Michigan dioceses back in the ‘30s.


11 posted on 03/27/2013 3:16:27 PM PDT by Oratam
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To: Alex Murphy

The distinction has always been between warm-blooded and cold-blooded. Fish and reptiles being cold-blooded are not considered true flesh. The rational is that abstaining from meat is in memorial of the flesh and blood shed by our Lord. I guess it is some form of bloodism discrimination.


12 posted on 03/27/2013 3:17:26 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius

I heard that the original intent of forbidding meat on Fridays and during Lent was to save the fishing industry in Italy. As such, I do not follow this convention.


13 posted on 03/27/2013 3:18:59 PM PDT by ez (Laws only apply to little people. Criminals, politicians, and newsies are exempt.)
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To: topher

Warm-blooded == meat.

Cold-blooded != meat.

Alligator == reptile == cold blooded != meat.

Nothing new about this, really. Some people who are not members of Group X like to make mountains out of Group X’s molehills.


14 posted on 03/27/2013 3:21:40 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ez
I heard that the original intent of forbidding meat on Fridays and during Lent was to save the fishing industry in Italy.

I have heard that, too. It's malarkey. Sadly, some folks are too eager to believe malarkey about any particular Group X that they are not part of.

15 posted on 03/27/2013 3:23:51 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: D-fendr

No one declared that flesh to be a fish or sea food.


16 posted on 03/27/2013 3:37:55 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: ez
I heard that the original intent of forbidding meat on Fridays and during Lent was to save the fishing industry in Italy.

The Greek Orthodox forbid the consumption of (vertebrate) fish AND meat during Lent. Was that to save the shellfish industry in Greece?

Little reality check: there has never, ever, not for one moment, been any requirement for Catholics to eat fish. Not on Fridays, not in Lent, not ever. The requirement is to abstain from the flesh of mammals and birds, that is, warm-blooded animals. They (that is, we) can eat fish if we want to. It's not required.

Maybe it was really to save vegetable farmers in Italy. Maybe it was to promote the invention of eggplant parmigiana. Who knows ... [sigh].

17 posted on 03/27/2013 3:40:50 PM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: ArrogantBustard; Campion

I would be happy for someone to prove it wrong. Is there any basis in Scripture for the prohibition against meat, or is it a “church” thing?


18 posted on 03/27/2013 4:03:28 PM PDT by ez (Laws only apply to little people. Criminals, politicians, and newsies are exempt.)
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To: count-your-change
Non sequitur. Your post was about your interpretation of the real presence: "If someone can believe that bread is turned into human flesh…"

My reply was about the incarnation - the Word become flesh. Comparing them in terms of "believability." You understand this, yes?

19 posted on 03/27/2013 4:15:39 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: ez; Campion

There is no “prohibition against meat”. Such a prohibition would imply that eating meat is somehow evil, a strange notion that is completely inconsistent with Scripture.

The periodic abstinence from meat is a mild form of fasting, a practice recommended throughout at least the New Testament. The disciples are mentioned as fasting in Acts 13 & 14, in Matthew 6 Jesus tells us how (not) to behave when fasting, in Mark 9 Jesus informs us that some problems can only be dealt with through prayer and fasting.

So there ... you see that it is a Scriptural thing. This should make you happy.


20 posted on 03/27/2013 4:23:23 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: markomalley
My mother always served tuna or fish sticks. :)

We have either fish or shellfish for dinner. I often skip either breakfast or lunch. It's really only difficult if we are attending a dinner function, but with so many vegetarians these days, I can usually find something.

21 posted on 03/27/2013 4:25:31 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: D-fendr

Oh, I understand your post well enough but neither is so just because an archbishop declares it to be so.


22 posted on 03/27/2013 4:31:09 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Some people who are not members of Group X like to make mountains out of Group X’s molehills.

I see what you mean. But at the same time some episode or another of "The X Files" is what's always on t.v. around here...

Try thinking of some of the comments being like bad re-runs of Mystery Science Theater 3000


23 posted on 03/27/2013 4:38:49 PM PDT by BlueDragon (the beatings will continue until morale improves)
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To: Alex Murphy

If alligator is seafood then Hippopotomous can’t be far behind...Them crazy Catholics...


24 posted on 03/27/2013 4:46:55 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: count-your-change

Are you suggesting Jesus was a fish?


25 posted on 03/27/2013 5:21:06 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Iscool

If you are suggesting that alligators are mammals or birds, i’m afraid it is not the Catholics who are crazy.


26 posted on 03/27/2013 5:23:23 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave

Do be serious.


27 posted on 03/27/2013 6:09:19 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: Alex Murphy; Gamecock; F15Eagle
What about nutria? They're a kind of fish, aren't they?
28 posted on 03/27/2013 6:11:56 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: trisham
We have either fish or shellfish for dinner

I always found it ironic when people went out for King Crab or Lobster on Fridays (doesn't quite seem consistent with the idea of fasting...even mildly...does it?)

But, hey, it's something.

Maybe this country will return to that year 'round (like they recently did in, of all places, the UK)

29 posted on 03/27/2013 6:17:37 PM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: count-your-change
neither is so just because an archbishop declares it to be so.

That compounds the irony of your 'believe' post since Jesus is the one saying so about Holy Eucharist that you don't believe. That change in belief came first from "Archbishop" Zwingli. So, I don't think it is a matter of authority here.

30 posted on 03/27/2013 6:50:41 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr

If you or the archbishop want to call an alligator a fish...welcome to it. Call an alligator anything you wish. It doesn’t make it so.


31 posted on 03/27/2013 8:41:12 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: count-your-change

I don’t think you missed the point yet again.

Why bring something up if you don’t want to avoid it?


32 posted on 03/27/2013 8:45:28 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: count-your-change
Rather: Why bring something up if you don’t want to avoid it?
33 posted on 03/27/2013 8:47:02 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr

Maybe you should get some sleep and come back later.


34 posted on 03/27/2013 9:42:21 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: count-your-change

I’m good, but thanks for your concern.

Maybe you should rest more or at least hesitate before posting a gratuitous insult.


35 posted on 03/27/2013 9:50:28 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr

Insult? Where? to whom?


36 posted on 03/27/2013 11:39:36 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: SoothingDave
If you are suggesting that alligators are mammals or birds, i’m afraid it is not the Catholics who are crazy.

Well they sure ain't seafood...

37 posted on 03/28/2013 5:12:35 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool

The point is that they are not “meat,” as defined in canon law.


38 posted on 03/28/2013 5:36:05 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: markomalley

Eating seafood on Fridays may not always seem like much of a sacrifice, but I would like to make the case that it is. It can be inconvenient, difficult or even impossible to find seafood at an event or function. Even private events are difficult to impossible. I can skip breakfast or lunch, but when we are out with friends or acquaintances, fasting isn’t an option. Imho, what I am doing by giving up meat on Fridays is a private observation, not something that should be obvious to those around me.


39 posted on 03/28/2013 7:15:34 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: count-your-change; Alex Murphy; metmom
Call an alligator anything you wish. It doesn’t make it so.

Kind of undermines the whole premise of the Catholic Church.

"It's not a divorce, it's an annulment!"
"We are pro-life! Welcome to communion abortionist pols!"
"Priests can't marry" (Never mind that the "first Pope" was married!)

40 posted on 03/28/2013 7:48:31 AM PDT by Gamecock (He is Risen!)
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To: count-your-change

Your post 8 is an insult to those who believe in the real presence in Holy Eucharist.


41 posted on 03/28/2013 8:00:03 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: SoothingDave

If gators can eat Catholics on Fridays, I say let Catholics return the favor.


42 posted on 03/28/2013 9:55:33 AM PDT by polkajello
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To: D-fendr

If your feelings are so sensitive you cannot stand anything but complete agreement then flee to the comfort and protection of a caucus.


43 posted on 03/28/2013 10:36:41 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: count-your-change; D-fendr
Hey, if y Jehovah's Witnesses can believe that blood transfusion is evil and should be banned, it shouldn't be too hard to believe an alligator is turned into a fish. Crocodile too.

Frog legs for the French, whales for the Japanese, Fish for everyone!

44 posted on 03/28/2013 10:41:42 AM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: Gamecock

Substituting lobster for sirloin sounds like the kind of fasting rule we could all follow.


45 posted on 03/28/2013 10:47:02 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: Alex Murphy

I believe the answer lies in the original creation. Was the alligator created with the fish and birds or with the creepy crawly things the next day? Is whale meat fish or meat?


46 posted on 03/28/2013 10:47:26 AM PDT by kempster
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To: count-your-change

You brought it up, and have been dodging ever since, including now.


47 posted on 03/28/2013 10:53:59 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Cronos

To the tens of thousands who died due to AIDS contaminated blood evil would seem a very mild epithet.

But if you wish to debate the virtues and vices of transfusions here’s your opportunity.


48 posted on 03/28/2013 11:00:32 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: D-fendr
If you're looking for another opportunity to claim insult I'll not accommodate some “tit-for-tat” game.
49 posted on 03/28/2013 11:17:24 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: Cronos

Well Cronos? You’ll have to write louder, I can’t hear you.


50 posted on 03/28/2013 11:22:07 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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