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Solemn Covenant: The Mormon Polygamous Passage [Book lists almost 500 Lds in post-manifesto unions]
BYU Studies ^ | 1993 (review date) | Author: B. Carmon Hardy Reviewer: Lowell C. Bennion

Posted on 03/27/2013 4:42:02 PM PDT by Colofornian

Author: B. Carmon Hardy

Reviewer: Lowell C. Bennion

Categories: History of the Church, Pioneer Period

Journal: 33:2

In recent years, studies of Mormon plural marriage have multiplied almost as rapidly as polygamous families did more than a century ago. With this book, Cartoon Hardy, who teaches American history at California State University in Fullerton, has made a major contribution to our understanding of the solemn covenant of plurality. His study, The Mormon Polygamous Passage (1831–1911), began with his 1963 dissertation on "The Mormon Colonies of Northern Mexico," and he has steadily expanded that research ever since. Solemn Covenant, Hardy's first book, serves as a marvelous, if belated, commemoration of the centenary of Wilford Woodruff's 1890 Manifesto.

The volume's length, vague title, and price should not deter any student of LDS plural marriage from purchasing it. If one discounts the indexes, the list of 262 post-Manifesto plural marriages, and the extensive notes at the end of each chapter, the actual text amounts to about 250 pages. The 5:9 ratio of text to total length reflects the confusion surrounding post-1890 polygamy and Hardy's penchant for documenting his sources.

The title barely hints at the scope and focus of the book, but the introduction makes clear its overriding aim: to trace "the transformation of Mormonism from a society that idealized polygamy to one that . . . now exalts the traditional monogamous home" of Victorian America (xxi). The book began as an attempt to explain why almost half of the Latter-day Saint Church's top authorities, along with more than two hundred other men, took plural wives after the 1890 Manifesto. Hardy soon realized that a full understanding of polygamy's protracted demise (1890–1911) required consideration of its equally prolonged birth (1831–52) and of the periods when Mormons practiced it openly (1852–85) or in hiding (1885–90) under federal pressure to abandon it.

Thus, the first three chapters treat the Church's efforts to make a plurality of wives as much a part of its patriarchal theology as a plurality of gods. As a historian of ideas, Hardy places this attempt in the context of a little-known current of early modern Western thought that favored polygamy over monogamy. He takes issue with those who "portray plural marriage as incidental to the major thrust of the Latter-day Saint past" (18). He insists they have underestimated the importance attached to a divine order that would allow males to satisfy their polygamous natures, eliminate prostitution, and even "whiten" Native Americans. Such beliefs gained strength as the Saints gathered west to populate an ever-expanding Great Basin Kingdom.

Ironically, in Hardy's view, polygamy emerged triumphant in Mormon theology just as Victorian America made monogamy a near religion. Reform-minded Americans soon viewed Mormon Utah in much the same way that orthodox Mormons now perceive worldly Nevada. Hardy sees the growing gentile attacks on the Saints as more than a mere ruse to wrest control of the territory from the Church. He concurs with an 1887 conclusion of the Utah Commission: "'The political history of the territory of Utah and the system of plural marriage are so closely interwoven that the one cannot be considered separate and apart from the other'" (57).

Only by recognizing the Mormons' strong belief in the "Blessings of the Abrahamic Household" (title of chapter 3), Hardy contends, can one fathom their extreme reluctance to abandon the plural principle. From 1885 until at least 1904, the Church, in its "Tactical Retreat: The Manifesto of 1890" (chapter 4), presented "itself as increasingly obedient while privately refusing surrender" (127). It issued not one but a dozen or more declarations designed to assure the nation that Latter-day Saints would honor the laws of the land. These manifestos invariably caused consternation among outsiders, controversy among Church leaders, and confusion among members.

Hardy's fine sense of irony manifests itself repeatedly as he examines the retreat from the principle. The Gentiles, notably Utah's governor and Salt Lake City's Tribune, pressured Mormon leaders into submitting the Manifesto to an immediate vote of the Church to make it more binding. Such pressure eventually helped persuade the Church to make it an official revelation by adding it to the Doctrine and Covenants (1908). Hardy clearly agrees with Apostle Marriner W. Merrill's 1891 view: "'I do Not believe the Manifesto was a revelation from God but was formulated by Prest. Woodruff and endorsed by His Councilors and the Twelve Apostles for expediency to meet the present situation of affairs in the Nation or those against the Church.'" (150).

The Church's frequent authorizations of plural marriage at home and abroad after 1890 provide the best evidence, in Hardy's eyes, of Mormonism's commitment to the principle. And he devotes the second half of the book (chapters 5–10) to polygamy's long and painful death. In the early 1890s, few plural marriages took place. But once Utahns gained statehood (1896), the number increased—first under Woodruff, then even more under a cautious Lorenzo Snow, and finally most of all under Joseph F. Smith (see graph, 317). Rather than inhibit Mormon interest in contracting new polygamous unions, the B. H. Roberts hearings seem to have intensified it, with the figure rising to forty in 1903. Chapters 5 and 6 (plus appendix 2) contain considerably more detail than Michael Quinn's 1985 article about the circumstances that prompted and enabled dozens of men, a majority of them prominent Church leaders, to imitate Abraham.1

John W. Taylor and Matthias F. Cowley were merely two of nine or ten General Authorities who did not let the 1890 Manifesto deter them from taking plural wives. Hardy even thinks it "likely that President Wilford Woodruff also took a new plural companion in 1897" (227), although Woodruff's latest biographer disagrees.2 Whether the President did or not, the rising incidence of polygamy sparked new rounds of debate among national progressive crusaders and Church leaders. The Smoot hearings of 1904–6, discussed in chapter 7, failed to convince the nation of Mormon sincerity in giving up plurality. National skepticism compelled the Church not only to issue another manifesto but to request the resignations of Taylor and Cowley.

Even those actions did not end authorized plural marriages. Between 1904 and 1911, three dozen more were performed by a dwindling number of certain general and local authorities committed to perpetuating the practice. In response to the Salt Lake Tribune's reports of a new "outbreak," the Church conducted its own hearings in 1910–11. And at Senator Smoot's urging, it excommunicated and/or removed from leadership positions a number of polygamists. Just as the principle's death knell finally seemed to sound, the Mexican Revolution forced the largest colony of Mormon "cohabs" across the U.S. border and brought polygamy once more under the national spotlight. By 1912, however, as chapters 8–10 make clear, monogamy had all but triumphed among a new generation of Mormons and had brought them "to a condition of estrangement from their polygamous past" (338). While hundreds had persisted in keeping plurality alive, tens of thousands had accepted the Church's public statements and turned their backs on the principle, even on the refugees from northern Mexico. The few who clung tenaciously to polygamy, the so-called fundamentalists, simply strengthened the Church's determination to defend monogamy.

For reasons not specified, Hardy's concluding essay appears as appendix 1 rather than as a chapter 11. Some readers may find the implications of its title—"Lying for the Lord"—as difficult to accept as Mormon responsibility for the Mountain Meadows massacre, but the phrase seems justified. Hardy demonstrates with numerous examples how the hierarchy rationalized its use of questionable measures to preserve the principle and to protect those striving to keep it alive. Each successive crisis after the Edmunds Act of 1882 naturally led to greater dissimulation. Some Church leaders recognized the trend and expressed their fear, in the words of Charles W. Penrose, that it might make the "'rising generation a race of deceivers'" (368). Hardy concludes that "the decision to project only the appearance of compromise" brought all kinds of agony upon the church, including the persistence of Mormon fundamentalism (376). He confirms what other scholars have found, but places post-Manifesto polygamy in a much broader and more balanced context.

Professor Hardy has achieved his aim of illuminating polygamy's imprint upon the palimpsest of Mormon history and in tracing "the trying passage of its decline." He urges his readers to "remember [that] there were thousands of devoted men, women, and children whose lives were given to its trial" (352). Appropriately enough, he dedicates the volume to them. Some may wish he had devoted more space to the trials experienced by plural Mormons, particularly the wives who comprised the highest percent of the population involved and probably suffered the most. They certainly deserve another volume from Hardy's logical mind and generally lucid prose. Perhaps he can respond to that request by revising and publishing his doctoral thesis.

However, Hardy may hesitate to write another book about polygamy for the same kinds of "personal considerations" that prompted Victor W. Jorgensen to withdraw his name as coauthor (xi). Both authors found the experience a trying one because of negative reactions from certain kith and kin who seem to share the Church's view that the less written about Mormonism's plural past the better. Perhaps though, thanks to their superb illumination of Mormonism's rough passage from monogamy to polygamy and back to monogamy, others will find it easier to speak and write about the plural and tangled lives of so many nineteenth-century Saints.

To the credit of both Carmon Hardy and the University of Illinois Press, Solemn Covenant has very few typos and unclear passages. (For one example of the latter, see the last sentence on page 369.) The book contains a set of photographs, mostly of key leaders of the Church, but fails to integrate them directly with the text. Only three of the illustrations include wives, and the one I like best does not identify seven young mothers (each holding an infant) in exile in Mexico at the turn of the century.

Many readers may find Solemn Covenant a bit too solemn. In his relentless search for post-1890 polygamists, Hardy seldom offers any relief from the Sturm und Drang that accompanied the passing of the principle. His portrayal of the fate of the few who entered the plural order after 1890 evokes so much pathos that one longs for some humor from, say, Dixie or Sanpete folklore. Several portraits make the polygamists seem like rather pathetic figures (see, for example, Hardy's treatment of Apostle George W. Teasdale on pages 222–27). The book thus often conveys the impression that plural living had no redeeming features.

Such an image clearly counters the Pollyanna conclusion that "while some [polygamous families] were very unhappy, most seemed to have gotten along very well."3 Neither view adequately represents the complex reality of plurality for two generations of Mormons. Whether practiced openly or secretly, plural marriage affected its participants in such diverse ways that broad generalizations based on specific periods and sources become suspect. Even within a single plural family, members reacted to the principle in markedly different fashion, and their reactions often changed through time.4

The recent spate of polygamy studies may seem like a surfeit to some readers. But if Solemn Covenant is correct about the central place of plural marriage in nineteenth-century Mormonism, then "Polly Gamie"—Apostle Orson Hyde's favorite topic, according to one unmarried woman in Manti—deserves many more scholarly articles and books.5

Notes

1. D. Michael Quinn, "LDS Church Authority and New Plural Marriages, 1890–1904," Dialogue 18 (Spring 1985): 9–105.

2. Thomas G. Alexander, Things in Heaven and Earth: The Life and Times of Wilford Woodruff, a Mormon Prophet (Salt Lake City: Signature Books, 1991), 326–29.

3. Jessie L. Embry, Mormon Polygamous Families: Life in the Principle (Salt Lake City: University of Utah Press, 1987), 193.

4. For a recent demonstration of how differently the principle operated upon individual lives, see Maria S. Ellsworth, ed., Mormon Odyssey: The Story of Ida Hunt Udall, Plural Wife (Urbana: University of Illinois Press, 1992).

5. Eds. note: For extensive bibliographic information about other recent studies of the nineteenth-century practice of polygamy, see Thomas G. Alexander's review of Richard S. Van Wagoner's Mormon Polygamy in BYU Studies 32 (Winter and Spring 1992): 295–98; and Patricia Lyn Scott, "Mormon Polygamy: A Bibliography, 1977–92," Journal of Mormon History 19 (Spring 1993): 133–55.


TOPICS: History; Moral Issues; Other non-Christian; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: antichristian; gaymarriage; inman; lds; mormonism; polyamory; polygamy; postmanifesto
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From the BYU review article: The book began as an attempt to explain why ALMOST HALF OF THE LATTER-DAY SAINT CHURCH'S TOP AUTHORITIES, ALONG WITH MORE THAN TWO HUNDRED OTHER MEN, took plural wives after the 1890 Manifesto. Hardy soon realized that a full understanding of polygamy's protracted demise (1890–1911) required consideration of its equally prolonged birth (1831–52) and of the periods when Mormons practiced it openly (1852–85) or in hiding (1885–90) under federal pressure to abandon it. Thus, the first three chapters treat the Church's efforts to make a plurality of wives as much a part of its patriarchal theology as a plurality of gods. As a historian of ideas, Hardy places this attempt in the context of a little-known current of early modern Western thought that favored polygamy over monogamy.

I have this book by B. Carmon Hardy. I've looked at Hardy's appendix: He lists 220 Mormon men who took

ADDITIONAL PLURAL WIVES...

...BETWEEN October 10 --> 2010


(Note the Lds "prophet" "manifesto" which supposedly was to halt new polygamous arrangements was "binding" as of October 6, 1890).

Note: These 220 men took about 275 additional plural wives during that 20-year period. (Almost half of these men already had -- at my count -- about 112 plural wives between them before the manifesto...so the overall average was almost three wives per man).

About HALF of the 220 men Hardy lists in his appendix -- 109 to be exact -- were monogamists when the 1890 "Manifesto" was passed. IoW, they weren't used to a "polygamous lifestyle" -- and had NO reason to take on a second, third, fourth, fifth wives -- with the "manifesto" in place.

The 220 men who took on 275 ADDITIONAL wives broke down, year-wise, as:
1910: 5
1909: 10
1908: 3
1907: 6
1906: 4
1905: 4
1904: 20
1903: 39 [this was the year Lds "prophet" Joseph F. Smith had to "lay down" Manifesto II to tell the Mormons to "stop" polygamy]
1902: 28
1901: 33
1900: 21
1899: 9
1898: 20
1897: 15
1896: 4
1895: 5
1894: 12
1893: 3
1892: 6
1891: 3
1890 between Oct. 10-->Dec: 8
TOTAL: 275 women initiated among 220 men

And precisely because over 100 additional unions were done in the 20th century, some of these plural unions did not die out until the late 1950s, with two possible families, the early 1960s.

From the BYU review article: Hardy clearly agrees with Apostle Marriner W. Merrill's 1891 view: "'I do Not believe the Manifesto was a revelation from God but was formulated by Prest. Woodruff and endorsed by His Councilors and the Twelve Apostles for expediency to meet the present situation of affairs in the Nation or those against the Church.'" (150).

(Well, ya know what this means...it means that IF D&C 132 is "correct" -- in a "revelation" that opened the door for Mormon polygamy...then there's BEEN NO "revelation" to really "shut it." It's just all for socio-political expediency...says both an Lds past "apostle"...and, in effect, this BYU source!!!

And, what this also means is that the fLDS are the "only" true keepers of Joseph Smith polygamous orthodoxy! (And here we thought the Mormon fundamentalists were the "offshoot"!!!)

Why is this being posted?

Because SOME MORMONS KEEP INSISTING THAT MORMON POLYGAMY DIED OUT IN 1890!


1 posted on 03/27/2013 4:42:02 PM PDT by Colofornian
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From the BYU review article:

Some readers may find the implications of its [chapter] title—"Lying for the Lord"—as difficult to accept as Mormon responsibility for the Mountain Meadows massacre, but the phrase seems justified. Hardy demonstrates with numerous examples how the hierarchy rationalized its use of questionable measures to preserve the principle and to protect those striving to keep it alive. Each successive crisis after the Edmunds Act of 1882 naturally led to greater dissimulation. Some Church leaders recognized the trend and expressed their fear, in the words of Charles W. Penrose, that it might make the "'rising generation a race of deceivers'" (368). Hardy concludes that "the decision to project only the appearance of compromise" brought all kinds of agony upon the church, including the persistence of Mormon fundamentalism (376).

Hardy's right. Lds "apostle" Charles W. Penrose was right. The BYU reviewer is right...it, in fact, did present a generational legacy of Mormons raised as "deceivers!"

2 posted on 03/27/2013 4:42:44 PM PDT by Colofornian (If BoM is everlasting gospel, why no god as exalted man, 3 glorious degrees, men becoming gods, etc?)
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To: Colofornian

Obsession, possibly to the extent of mental illness.

Have you considered seeking professional help?


3 posted on 03/27/2013 4:45:10 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: Colofornian
Where you aware that the business fighting DOMA, Marriott hotel chain (owned by lds) is the biggest contribute to the effort. Of course lds have not stopped polygamy, they just call it celestial marriage.
4 posted on 03/27/2013 4:50:59 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: truth_seeker; Colofornian

I frankly appreciate Colofornian’s posts. I am keenly interested in the LDS and the info (he?) posts is quite informative both for what he posts and for how other people react to it.


5 posted on 03/27/2013 4:51:40 PM PDT by MeganC (The left have so twisted public perceptions that the truth now appears pornographic.- SpaceBar)
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To: truth_seeker

Have you ever considered that you are on the Religion Forum, and this is a discussion about momronism.
Have you ever considered that you never seem to contribute to the conversation but apparently obsess on attacking the poster of the thread.
Have considered the possible insanity of this apparent repeated action?


6 posted on 03/27/2013 4:54:14 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: truth_seeker

He likes his Mormonism. However, what he posts seems to be true. Mormon history seems quite at variance with what the church projects today. I have not seen his postings refuted.


7 posted on 03/27/2013 4:57:18 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: truth_seeker
 photo SCIEN_zps2dd1b223.jpg Maybe Xenu can help...
8 posted on 03/27/2013 5:03:14 PM PDT by baddog 219
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To: Colofornian
Back in 1976 the Today show had a report from each state. For Utah, they mentioned that there were approximately 10,000 polygamous marriages in Utah at that time.
9 posted on 03/27/2013 5:09:47 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (The murals in OKC are destroyed.)
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For Utah, they mentioned that there were approximately 10,000 polygamous marriages in Utah at that time.

Per media reports, up to 25,000+ now...

10 posted on 03/27/2013 5:35:11 PM PDT by Colofornian (If BoM is everlasting gospel, why no god as exalted man, 3 glorious degrees, men becoming gods, etc?)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS; truth_seeker; All
He likes his Mormonism. However, what he posts seems to be true. Mormon history seems quite at variance with what the church projects today. I have not seen his postings refuted.

(And people do need to understand that since I am a descendant from a Mormon polygamist, obviously I might not be in existence were it not for his polygamy...so this is not a simple "stream-lined" exercise of critiquing the "ism" of Mormonism...yet Truthseeker can only condemn the people who descend from Mormon polygamy -- like me -- yet somehow can't bring himself to critique the idea of polygamy itself)

11 posted on 03/27/2013 5:40:40 PM PDT by Colofornian (If BoM is everlasting gospel, why no god as exalted man, 3 glorious degrees, men becoming gods, etc?)
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To: svcw
Where you aware that the business fighting DOMA, Marriott hotel chain (owned by lds) is the biggest contribute to the effort. Of course lds have not stopped polygamy, they just call it celestial marriage.

Thanks for the reminder. (Yes, I did here about porn-industry Marriott doing this...they are also on Life Decision Intl's boycott list for giving $ to Planned Parenthood)

Planned Parenthood boycott list

12 posted on 03/27/2013 6:04:19 PM PDT by Colofornian (If BoM is everlasting gospel, why no god as exalted man, 3 glorious degrees, men becoming gods, etc?)
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Based on what SLC lds has been saying and who they are supporting and the money being pumped into the defeat DOMA, I am guess there is a move to then next argue for polygamy.
Really once the courts redefine what “marriage” is, they can’t exclude anything thing.


13 posted on 03/27/2013 6:12:47 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: truth_seeker

An obsession for the truth is not necessarily a bad thing. In fact we perhaps could use a little more of it in a variety of areas...


14 posted on 03/27/2013 6:29:05 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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Based on what SLC lds has been saying and who they are supporting and the money being pumped into the defeat DOMA, I am guess there is a move to then next argue for polygamy.

Well, think about it...This article says that almost HALF of the Lds leaders in the late 19th century were polygamists.

About half of the post-Manifesto Lds "add-another-wife-to-the-club" gang were monogamists PRE-Manifesto!

(It almost seems its illusiveness incites Mormon monogamists to want to venture into illicit/illegal territory!)

For those who think Mormon polygamy was all so "19th century," here was a survey cited by author B. Carmon Hardy -- taken among Mormons taken in 1963:

"Another survey taken in the 1960s found that not only do contemporary church members overwhelmingly disapprove of polygamy but only two in five said they would enter the principle if commanded by the prophets." [B. Carmon Hardy, Solemn Covenant, University of Illinois Press, p. 339, citing survey published in 1963 by John R. Christiansen, "Contemporary Mormons' Attitudes Toward Polygamous Practices," Journal of Marriage and Family 25 (May 1963): pp. 167-170)].

Now I don't know about you -- but 40% who said "they would enter the principle if commanded by the prophets" in 1963 is pretty high!

The pro-polygamists between circa 1900 and 1963 eroded only 10% -- or less!

It's probably eroded now to less than one-third of Mormons...But if the next Mormon "prophet" told them to adhere to "the principle," how many Mormon men...with harems on their minds in an era like today...would leap at the chance?

Really once the courts redefine what “marriage” is, they can’t exclude anything thing.

Exactly. If everything is marriage, then nothing is.

If the standards are redrawn, there IS no place to arbitrarily "re-draw" them...a single partner is no basis for a boundary then...And relational ties (like siblings, or parent-child) become arbitrary, too.

The LONE standard remaining would be age -- which can be circumvented to some degree via "parental consent."

15 posted on 03/27/2013 6:36:31 PM PDT by Colofornian (If BoM is everlasting gospel, why no god as exalted man, 3 glorious degrees, men becoming gods, etc?)
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Abraham and Jacob (probably also Isaac) were polygamists .... Christ had the blood of David and Soloman in his veins, both polygamists...

It seems to me that your problem isn’t with LDS Mormons .... But with the foundation of pre-Christianity.

Since Christianity, LDS or not has been tainted with polygamy ..... why don’t you start a new religion ..... you could call it someting like ....

“The Chruch of Anti-Mormons who reject Christs Polygamist Ancestors”


16 posted on 03/27/2013 7:00:35 PM PDT by teppe (... for my God ... for my Family ... for my Country ....)
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Abraham and Jacob (probably also Isaac) were polygamists

Isaac wasn't. Nothing in the Bible. Totally made up by Joseph Smith, who wrote D&C 132 to convince his first wife, Emma, to go along with him sleeping around.

Jacob became a polygamist ONLY BY DECEPTION from his father-in-law, Laban.

(And here you want to institutionalize a system instigated in the Jacobian household by sheer deception?)

We have no proof Abraham "married" Hagar, 'cause his wife Sarai is the ONLY one who ever referenced Hagar as his "wife" -- and she did that prior to Hagar sleeping with Abraham...by Genesis 21, Sarah is labeling Habar "that slave woman" (not "wife" -- not even "concubine.")

In Genesis 16, AFTER Abraham slept with Hagar (once, for all we know), HE still is referencing Hagar as his wife's slave/servant. And so does the Angel of the Lord in that chapter!

The apostle Paul likewise DOESN'T reference Hagar as his "wife" in a lengthy passage in Gal 4:21-31.

And we know Abraham took Keturah as a "wife" in Gen. 25:1 post Sarah's death...tho it is possible that Keturah may have been a "concubine" while Sarah was still alive.

17 posted on 03/27/2013 7:07:48 PM PDT by Colofornian (If BoM is everlasting gospel, why no god as exalted man, 3 glorious degrees, men becoming gods, etc?)
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To: teppe

Is that really your argument Teppe?

Really?


18 posted on 03/27/2013 7:08:00 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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Christ had the blood of David and Soloman in his veins, both polygamists...

So what? Christ had the blood of a prostitute--Rahab -- in his veins as well? (Or did you conveniently forget to absorb that factoid into your argument?)

Are you going to try to now tell us that prostitution is some kind of "righteous" cottage industry because of Rahab???

We know that Hosea married a prostitute at God's bidding -- Gomer -- who remained a prostitute post-ceremony. Are you going to tell us that because God wanted to provide a parallel situation to a faithless Israel that the "cottage industry" of prostitution has been established by these precedents???

One of the more ridiculous arguments we've heard from your keyboard, Teppe...perhaps you should better realize how Mormon polygamy has corrupted your family morals -- e'en this many generations later!

19 posted on 03/27/2013 7:11:56 PM PDT by Colofornian (If BoM is everlasting gospel, why no god as exalted man, 3 glorious degrees, men becoming gods, etc?)
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To: teppe

Wrong.
It has been explained to you dozens of times, is it an apparent obsession that you continually bring the same thing up over and over again.....there are those who patiently tell you the truth....the question is why you are apparently unwilling to except it.


20 posted on 03/27/2013 7:14:19 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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