So, which date is it!
Posted on 03/28/2013 1:47:41 PM PDT by FoxPro
In ancient Israel, including during the first century A.D., preparations for the Pesach or Passover feast took place on “Preparation Day.” In the middle of the afternoon (that is, at beyn ha’arbayim, often referred to as “twilight”) on that day, the Passover lamb was sacrificed at the temple in Jerusalem. After sunset, when Preparation Day had ended and the Feast of Unleavened Bread had begun, the lamb and other specific foods for the Pesach feast were eaten.
Jesus was crucified and died on Preparation Day. Traditionally, this has been thought to have been on a Friday. I would like to demonstrate that Jesus’ crucifixion and death occurred not on a Friday (the sixth day of the week), as has been traditionally accepted, but rather on the previous day, Thursday (the fifth day of the week).
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It is always premised on the notion that we know the exact year of the crucifixion (which we do not) and that the rabbinic calculation of the date of Passover has been unvarying (which is not the case).
The goal is typically to undermine the orthodox cycle of Christian feasts and to promote the recent innovation known as Sabbatarianism.
Thanks much. I had to look up Sabbatarianism. I’m always learning something on these threads...
What does your tagline translate into?
Is it Gaelic?
No, according to the ancient Hebrew reckoning it’s three days: Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
Jesus’ body went into the tomb on Friday (day 1), was there all of Saturday (day 2), and he rose in the morning of Sunday (day 3).
You are confusing, “on the third day” to “in three days”. There is a difference. FCS
I would take exception to this part of your statement. Rabbinical calculations have nothing to do with it. How to determine Passover is a very precise formulation found directly in the Law, depending upon the ripened barley. Since Jerusalem is in friendly hands, the Biblical precept can and should be followed precisely.
It is interesting to suppose that the Biblical precept IS orthodoxy; that those following what is called orthodoxy in Judaism and Christianity are the innovators; and that the pressure to repent of those innovations is occurring upon both sides of the theological fence.
So, which date is it!
And I like going through this every Easter.
It’s latin, roughly: God is not bound by the sacraments, but we are.
There is also a school of thought that maintains that a man named “Jesus” never existed.
Too many Joe Palookas thinking (if you can call it that) too hard.
No I do not believe you, because your position is not found in scripture... ANYWHERE.
Show me the scripture where God changed the dates of His appointed Feasts as laid out in Leviticus 23 and practiced by the Hebrews since the Exodus?
Where did God change the reckoning of what consisted of a Day from Genesis 1?
You cite “rabbinical Scholars” as your proof. I’m only interested in what scripture, and biblical history have to say on the subject - not “scholars”.
Jesus said 3 Days, and 3 Nights was the only proof of His messiahship.
If Jesus was only in the heart of the earth for PARTS of 3 days or PARTS of 3 nights - then we believe in a false messiah.
We either believe what Jesus said and scripture records - or we can choose to follow tradition and the inane reasoning of ‘scholars’ who push tradition over plain language.
Here’s an analogy to the absurdity of leaning on ‘scholars’ for understanding scripture.
The Constitution. In 100 years - “Scholars” may well teach that the First Amendment was ALWAYS about separating religion from government and public. The entirety of society may well accept that teaching as a fact. Regardless that is not what the Constitution plainly says and the writings and historical documents of what they said at the time does not support such a tradition. But if tradition is more important than the plain words printed, men can choose to craft whatever belief they want other men to follow.
We’re watching the Left do to the Constitution what men have done to scripture over the millennia.
I choose the plain language in context of both scripture itself, and the historical evidence at the time.
That for me, means my savior was crucified and died on a Wednesday in 31 A.D. and was discovered to have Risen from the tomb on Sunday morning, before dawn, in accordance with the scriptures.
The core issue is this: where does Scripture tell us that the month of Nisan is to be calculated with respect to the barley season?
That particular school of thought is a bit ridiculous - if Jesus was not a historical person, then many, many other historical personages will have to be dismissed as well. There are not too many historical figures in the ancient period who had four different biographies written about them.
Or, alternately, Mt 16:21, Mt. 17:23, Lk 9:22, Lk 18:33, Lk 24:7, Lk 24:46, Acts 10:40 and 1 Cor 15:4 are wrong - but your personal views are right.
He is claiming to be a pastor and i have given up replying to him.
If the barley is abib @ the new moon, the month begins, otherwise 29 days later. Is that what you are getting at?
This leads into the subjectivity of the dating and the problem of retrojecting a computus that was invented well after the destruction of the Second Temple into dating events that occurred before it.
INVAR, you speak of "plain language" - well, "on the third day" is plain language.
And, by definition, if you are using (anachronistically) full 24 hour days then something cannot happen on the third day if three full days and nights were supposed to pass before it happened.
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