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Atheist Taunts Christians With ‘Easter Challenge’
The Christian Diarist ^ | March 31, 2013 | JP

Posted on 03/31/2013 11:46:55 AM PDT by CHRISTIAN DIARIST

Norman Barker performed a duet with Judy Garland in the 1948 film “Easter Parade.” His son, Dan, became a pastor, before falling away from his Christian faith in 1984.

In 1990, Dan Barker, by then a devout atheist, published an essay, which he titled “An Easter Challenge For Christians.” And he has reissued his transparent attack on Easter every year since then.

This year, his challenge appears on a blog hosted by the so-called Freedom From Religion Foundation, an atheist hate group, based in Madison, Wisconsin, for which Barker and his wife serve as co-presidents.

In his anti-Easter essay, Barker writes, “My straightforward request is merely that Christians tell me exactly what happened on the day their most important doctrine was born.”

The atheist suggests that, since he first issued his challenge nearly a quarter-century ago, only an Assemblies of God pastor and Lutheran grad has ever taken him up on it. And neither ultimately got back to him.

But here’s the rest of the story that Barker, the deceiver, conveniently ignores: His challenge is not “straightforward.” Indeed, “The important condition of the challenge,” he writes, “is that not one single biblical detail be omitted.”

Of course, such trickeration is to be expected from those who shake their fists at God; who deny the divinity of Jesus Christ; who disbelieve that He conquered the grave.

Barker seeks to cast doubt upon the Easter story by deconstructing every jot and tittle of the four Gospel accounts of the Easter story, as well as the briefer accounts that appear in the book of Acts and I Corinthians.

He maintains that any putative discrepancy in the Biblical accounts, any apparent inconsistency in Biblical detail (however small, like the matter of whether visitors to Christ’s empty tomb on Easter morning saw one angel or two), is prima facie evidence that the resurrection was a fiction.

But that’s an absurd proposition. Sure there are discrepancies in the Gospel accounts. But no more than those to be found in reading the various biographies of, say, Abraham Lincoln. Does Barker question whether Lincoln truly served as president of the United States?

And while the atheist makes the case that the Gospel accounts of Easter were ahistoric, they actually were corroborated by the first century Roman-Jewish historian Flavius Josephus.

In the Testimonium Flavianum, Josephus writes about “Jesus, a wise man” who was “a doer of wonderful works.” He attests that Jesus was condemned to the cross and that he appeared “alive again the third day.”

Barker can dispute Josephus’ historic account of the Easter story, as he questions the Gospel accounts of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. But there is no dispute, no question that something miraculous happened on the first Easter Sunday.

For the frightened disciples who abandoned Jesus on the night he was arrested, who hid themselves away when he was crucified, were suddenly emboldened three days after Christ’s death.

In His name, they set out to make disciples of all nations. And it is no coincidence that, two thousand years later, Christianity is the world’s dominant faith.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Current Events; General Discusssion; Theology
KEYWORDS: antichristian; atheists; easter; easterchallenge; historicaljesus; normanbarker
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He is risen!
1 posted on 03/31/2013 11:46:56 AM PDT by CHRISTIAN DIARIST
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

Amen, He is. Praise God.

I just do not understand how someone goes from being a pastor to being an avowed atheist. It makes no sense to me.


2 posted on 03/31/2013 11:53:41 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

He is risen, indeed! Alleluia!


3 posted on 03/31/2013 11:53:42 AM PDT by txrefugee
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4 posted on 03/31/2013 11:55:10 AM PDT by narses
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Counterchallenge to Barker:

“Tell me exactly why you are so obsessed with Christ.”


5 posted on 03/31/2013 11:55:40 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

The atheists are becoming more obnoxious than their homosexual brothers and sisters.


6 posted on 03/31/2013 12:00:02 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Barry gave the Republicans a free lunch. All the taxpayers got was a lousy tax increase.)
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To: CatherineofAragon
I just do not understand how someone goes from being a pastor to being an avowed atheist. It makes no sense to me.

It actually makes a great deal of sense. Begin with a false notion of what the Scriptures actually are, and a false notion of how to read and interpret them. Then apply those false notions to the actual Scriptures. Find that the Scriptures are not at all congruent with what the false notions suggest that the Scriptures should be. Conclude, therefore, that the Scriptures themselves are false (rather than the notions).

If the Scriptures are false, then Christianity, Judaism, and Mohammedanism are also false and must be rejected.

Polytheism is ridiculous on its face.

Buddhism is a largely non-theistic philosphy.

Outright atheism is not a far stretch at all.

7 posted on 03/31/2013 12:00:27 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

I have an idea, why doesn’t he just read the story for himself, its all there.
Is he afraid to pick up a Bible, one has to conclude that.


8 posted on 03/31/2013 12:01:27 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

The Mohammedans have already declared our scriptures false.


9 posted on 03/31/2013 12:02:37 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

It’s like saying an event didn’t happen because all the witnesses descriptions are not identical.

Utterly ridiculous. Not even the screwed up courts we have go this far.


10 posted on 03/31/2013 12:04:58 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: CatherineofAragon

Sin and his condemnation in it. Some people love sin so much that when they feel the condemnation for it they do not run to the savior they run from him and accuse him of their sin.

Blaspheming of the holy spirit is the only sin not accounted for by Christ Blood. It is what the blasphemer wants, to be held personally accountable for it for eternity not accepting the sacrifice.

Sad, really sad.


11 posted on 03/31/2013 12:05:45 PM PDT by pennyfarmer (Your socialist beat our liberal AGAIN.)
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To: svcw

Most atheists that are serious about examining the evidence, don’t give themselves an “out” to blame others for shoddy research, or they just assume Christians are going to be biased somehow, they do the work themselves. Some become convinced and believing Christians from it.


12 posted on 03/31/2013 12:07:13 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Olog-hai
The Mohammedans have already declared our scriptures false.

Not entirely ... they accept some aspects as being true, but accuse us of falsifying parts. The Mohammedans accept most of the major characters in the Scriptures from Ibrahim to Issa ... but the mohammedan understanding of them is wildly inconsistent with ours. So much so as to be largely contradictory. Logically, we could be right. Or the mohammedans could be right. Or we and the mohammedans could both be wrong. But we and the mohammedans CANNOT both be right.

13 posted on 03/31/2013 12:07:35 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST
He maintains that any putative discrepancy in the Biblical accounts, any apparent inconsistency in Biblical detail (however small, like the matter of whether visitors to Christ’s empty tomb on Easter morning saw one angel or two), is prima facie evidence that the resurrection was a fiction.

Wow, and Atheist biblical literalist. LOL!

If the same standard was applied in our court system, nobody could be convicted of anything.

14 posted on 03/31/2013 12:10:06 PM PDT by HerrBlucher (Praise to the Lord the Almighty the King of Creation)
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To: ArrogantBustard

The Koran already declared that the Scriptures as the Jews and Christians possess them have been polluted with false doctrines. That was the Koran’s way of getting around Mohammed’s doctrinal differences with Scripture, with the unilateral declaration of Mohammed being the “last prophet” piled on top to prevent deviation from the Koranic version.

There is only one Bible verse quoted in the Koran, in addition.

The Koran is far too different from the Bible for there to be any real commonality. I’ve read it.


15 posted on 03/31/2013 12:11:26 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: ArrogantBustard

It isn’t a surprise at all. People are just people.

Some doctors are there for connections and golf and money.

A few lawyers are there to actually help people.

More and more officers are just thugs with badges.

A few teachers actually care about teaching instead of their pensions and crying about how poor they are working a job it’s virtually impossible to be fired from.

A few bankers really do want to help a small businessperson start their business.

Many restaurant servers want their diners to be happy with their service.

It’s not a surprise we have some pastors and priests who are there for other reasons than they believe what they’re doing. They either keep getting more and more warped or they get tired of the charade and leave, a few can really stick it out but they’re just punching a clock. People really do not like having to do stuff they don’t believe in, for years and years. When it feels like the effort isn’t worth whatever they feel the reward is, they often go.


16 posted on 03/31/2013 12:14:21 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: CatherineofAragon

My sister proudly claims that she is an athiest. One day, she asked me if that made me mad or uncomfortable. I said, “Why should it, you’re the one going to hell, not me.”

That shut her up.


17 posted on 03/31/2013 12:17:44 PM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: CatherineofAragon

>>I just do not understand how someone goes from being a pastor to being an avowed atheist. It makes no sense to me.

It makes more sense than you think. Many pastors have lost their faith and are just going through the motions because that is their vocation. In most cases, it is what they got their degree(s) in and they’ve never worked in another job since college. If they can’t retire, they just reuse old sermons, drone through the sacraments, and act as a social worker to their congregation. I could imagine that some would get angry and become an atheist, especially the “shaking-fist-at-the-God-I-don’t-believe-in” type of atheist we find today.


18 posted on 03/31/2013 12:18:31 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST
for those that believe, none is necessary, for those that don't, none will ever be good enough...
19 posted on 03/31/2013 12:18:34 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Cowgirl of Justice
I said, “Why should it, you’re the one going to hell, not me.”

Perfect response.

20 posted on 03/31/2013 12:18:50 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST
WHY I LEFT ATHEISM
by John N. Clayton

I read the Bible through from cover to cover four times during my sophomore year in college for the explicit purpose of finding scientific contradictions in it. By that, I mean statements in the Bible that were false that I could throw back at her to show her how ridiculous it was to believe in God. I had even decided to write a book called: All the Stupidity of the Bible. Something amazing happened as I did this. As I considered and thought about these things, I found that I could not find a contradiction — to find some kind of scientific inaccuracy in the Bible. I just simply was not able to do it. I gave up writing the book because of lack of material!

21 posted on 03/31/2013 12:26:14 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Happy Blessed Easter, All FReepers!)
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To: Secret Agent Man
It’s like saying an event didn’t happen because all the witnesses descriptions are not identical.

If you start out with the premise that every word of the bible is the absolute "gospel truth", then any discrepancy must mean that it is all questionable. If you are to stick to your initial premise.

However, if you believe that the popular method of teaching of the time was by allegory, then it all makes more sense.

22 posted on 03/31/2013 12:31:22 PM PDT by oldbrowser (They are marxists, don't call them democrats)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

I’ll bet Dan Parker’s birth certificate actually says “Daniel,” so since there are two different accounts as to who he actually is, I’m going to assert he really doesn’t exist at all.


23 posted on 03/31/2013 12:31:44 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: CatherineofAragon
Doubt along with infantile deconstruction superseded faith and wisdom in his life.
24 posted on 03/31/2013 12:32:46 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

He is risen indeed. Our Church was packed today. Nice to see new members.

I pray this guy and his wife get to know Jesus before he denies knowing them. That would be hell for sure.


25 posted on 03/31/2013 12:35:17 PM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: D-fendr

Baker’s response would probably include: “because billions are caught up in a “lie” and want to “educate” them”.


26 posted on 03/31/2013 12:35:23 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

There’s nothing to discuss but, I have good news:

Jesus Loves You.


27 posted on 03/31/2013 12:39:05 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

So after twenty five years no one has sufficiently answered his rigged challenge and Christians are supposed to take this seriously.

Who gives a rats rear end?


28 posted on 03/31/2013 12:41:57 PM PDT by Fzob (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Jefferson)
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

I’ve got friends contemplating becoming atheist who taunt me.

I laugh and tell them “The fact that you are questioning God is healthy and is a sign he is working in your life”.


29 posted on 03/31/2013 12:42:36 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Many of them ARE homosexuals. He is risen. Glory be to Him. This man can rot in his own disbelief.


30 posted on 03/31/2013 12:42:54 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST
Barker seeks to cast doubt upon the Easter story by deconstructing every jot and tittle of the four Gospel accounts of the Easter story, as well as the briefer accounts that appear in the book of Acts and I Corinthians. He maintains that any putative discrepancy in the Biblical accounts, any apparent inconsistency in Biblical detail (however small, like the matter of whether visitors to Christ’s empty tomb on Easter morning saw one angel or two), is prima facie evidence that the resurrection was a fiction.

Mr. Barker apparently subscribes to (or takes advantage of) the Fundamentalist view that the Bible is "written by God" and is a perfect recital. I've studied the reports written by Bible scholars about the accuracy of the translations of the various "editions" of the Bible, particularly when traced back to the source. Leavened by spending a few decades with a technical translator (of modern languages) I've learned how meaning-based translation of the source can be impaired by culture chasms, not to mention intentional mistranslations by interested parties to posit a particular slant.

Culture differences: if your vocabulary didn't include a method for describing very large numbers, you might have a problem describing events that happen in what now we believe to be "geological" time.

Mistranslation: One glaring example, footnoted in the Revised Standard Bible, is the phrase "suffer not a poisoner to live." Consider how that was mistranslated for centuries. Indeed, there are some scholars who want to exchange main text and footnote, as the more accurate.

But there is another, more glaring problem with the challenge. Eyewitness testimony is very, very unreliable, even when the most well-intentioned people try to describe what they saw. Indeed, detectives reportedly distrust eyewitness testimony that does not have discrepancies, because different people focus on different things. Also, people in different places physically will see different "slices" of the activity, so the reports will vary just because of viewing perspective.

So the challenge depends on a known axiom of evidence interpretation to discredit the basic story falsely. If Mr. Barker were honest, he would take the stories and determine if they deviate in significant ways, not trivial ways.

(These questions are what makes comparative theology so interesting to me.)

31 posted on 03/31/2013 12:44:45 PM PDT by asinclair (Political hot air is a renewable energy resource)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

Ever wonder why after 2000+ years multitudes of people throughout world history vividly still worship and celebrate the resurrection of Jesus the Messiah? No other ‘spiritual figure’ receives a close 2nd place. Only absolute, eternal truth can resonate down through the ages as the story of Jesus the risen messiah. So called atheists just deny the truth but they cannot ignore it as a neutral bit of data.


32 posted on 03/31/2013 12:56:19 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: ArrogantBustard; pennyfarmer; Bryanw92; rollo tomasi

Thank you for the thoughtful responses and many good points to consider.


33 posted on 03/31/2013 12:58:28 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

IMO, your sister’s question indicates a “Look at me! Aren’t I edgy and shocking?” mentality. I’ve seen that sort of thing from people who wear their homosexuality on their sleeves, as well.


34 posted on 03/31/2013 1:00:26 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

Lets pray that your sister has a bad nightmare or scary experience (without harm) that scares the he[[ right out of her and for good. Sometimes I go to You Tube and visit stories of people who had NDE of he[[ and then it drove them straight to Jesus.


35 posted on 03/31/2013 1:02:51 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: CatherineofAragon

Another so called atheist devoting their life to religion.

I don’t believe in astrology, but I can’t imagine devoting myself to a life of debunking it.

Sounds more like they are mad at God than true atheists.


36 posted on 03/31/2013 1:04:15 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: All

I pray almost daily for my atheist son who was baptized and confirmed Lutheran. Eternal hell is a long time for regrets.


37 posted on 03/31/2013 1:04:17 PM PDT by navymom1
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To: oldbrowser

Yes but not everyone has an identical view of events. Some are second hand accounts.

And omissions of certain details that others report doesn’t mean it’s false. If anything different accounts shows the accounts are genuine. It’s what you expect if you interview people witnessing something from their vantage points. Some may say things others cannot. That doesn’t make the accounts false because they all don’t have all the same things mentioned.

Further there are no points in any of the accounts that contradict another. This would be an obvious source atheists would have jumped on immediately as “proof” of it being a false account. Since all the accounts never have a point of conflict, they’ve had to go on this fishing expedition of saying that if all the acounts aren’t identical and they’re false because they all don’t mention the same things they must be false. that isn’t how it works.

The accounts are true, they agree with each other where their evidence overlaps. They are absolutely true. True doesn’t mean 4 authors across time and some writing the account not from firsthand knowledge, are not going to have identical accounts. They all agree where they speak of the same particulars. Not speaking of every single detail doesn’t somehow “make it false”. that isn’t a logical premise in the first place.

If I discuss an event I see, and describe the event, and someone else was there and describes the event, and adds in what the weather conditions at the event were like that day, and I didn’t, that doesn’t affect the truth in my statements or the other persons. If another witness who knew someone in the event describes the event, and adds in some information about one of the participants maybe we don’t know, that doesn’t make my statements false, or cast doubt on our descriptions of the event.

What would cast doubt is if my description of the events are way different than what others describe. If I say events went a, b, c but other writers have different orders, then you could point to error somewhere.

All accounts that agree on what they describe, but that they may not describe things with all the same particulars (ie some omit certain things because of one reason or another) just shows accounts from different people of the same event do agree. You can’t say they’re false because they aren’t exact duplicates of their accounts.

Why have four gospels if they are all identical? You never in real life get two witnesses to anything giving an identical account of an event. If anything this would prove the genuineness of the accounts.


38 posted on 03/31/2013 1:11:34 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

Sounds like something right out of Seinfeld:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE0nenGeW5A


39 posted on 03/31/2013 1:22:33 PM PDT by HerrBlucher (Praise to the Lord the Almighty the King of Creation)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

I Corinthians 15:6 ....” He appeared to more than 500 people, most of whom are still living” .... So how many eye witnesses are required in any court of law? 500+ should probably do it


40 posted on 03/31/2013 1:22:38 PM PDT by DirtyDawg (eat fruit)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Locate and read the passages from the four gospels where the ‘trial’ before Caiphas is described. Each account includes pieces of information not found in the others, but together the accounts make very clear what was happening (like the slap to Jesus’s face and the orders to identify who slapped him).


41 posted on 03/31/2013 1:26:40 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I agree.
There have many former atheists who have written they set out to disprove everything God only to become Born Again.

Halleluiah!!!
By His stripes we are healed
Sin has lost it’s power
Death has lost it’s sting
From the grave You have risen victoriously!


42 posted on 03/31/2013 1:29:49 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Lx

Ours was too. It was a beautifully sung Latin Chant Mass and it was standing-room-only. Glorious.


43 posted on 03/31/2013 1:30:43 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

In case anyone is interested Barker did a debate with James White and lost horribly. Below is. Link to a synopsis of the debate.

http://mennoknight.wordpress.com/2009/09/26/initial-thoughts-on-the-dan-barker-vs-james-white-debate/


44 posted on 03/31/2013 1:48:14 PM PDT by polishprince
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To: SampleMan

Agree completely.


45 posted on 03/31/2013 1:53:47 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: HerrBlucher

I am not really a Seinfeld fan. I have been telling my sister this since the early 1990s when I became saved.


46 posted on 03/31/2013 2:47:42 PM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: oldbrowser

The other night Bill O’Reilly said something about the Bible being allegorical but he didn’t mention any specifics. I have been taught the Bible is literal except where explicitly otherwise, such as the parables of Jesus. Can you give me an example or two? Thanks.


47 posted on 03/31/2013 2:52:32 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Secret Agent Man
I agree entirely with what you are saying. The minor differences in wording or interpretation may be due to translations or the memories of the people who past on the description of the events. I am just saying that atheists seize onto this minor differences and try claim that therefore the entire bible is fraudulent.
48 posted on 03/31/2013 3:03:43 PM PDT by oldbrowser (They are marxists, don't call them democrats)
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To: CatherineofAragon

It isn’t hard to understand. He prayed for something and didn’t get it and now his wittle feewings are hurt.


49 posted on 03/31/2013 3:39:05 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

I understand that. Your experience with your sister simply reminded me of the funny Seinfeld clip. Sorry if there was an implication that the Seinfeld clip influenced you.


50 posted on 03/31/2013 6:42:53 PM PDT by HerrBlucher (Praise to the Lord the Almighty the King of Creation)
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