Skip to comments.Homosexuality: Does the New Testament Condemn It?
Posted on 04/04/2013 3:02:24 PM PDT by NYer
Some very interesting comments at the above link.
Peter and the entire leadership of church also spoke against it in Acts 15.
"Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman: that is detestable."
"The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world Gods invisible qualitieshis eternal power and divine naturehave been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles. Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creatorwho is forever praised. Amen. Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."
Romans 1: 18-27
It is clear.
If the Republican party want to rule the Bedroom then Obamas will rule the country.
Sorry kids. They vote, we don’t.
Until you all figure out how to make the minority the majority, you can bay at the moon all you want.
Im a gay Christian. After he admitted to being an active homosexual, he added, I have studied the whole Bible and nowhere does it teach that homosexuality is a sin.
I think calling yourself one thing and hoping in vain it gets you out of the mess you created is delusional and self defeating. As is skipping over certain passages for self serving reasons of convenience.
I guess if you say it doesn’t say it and with enough verbosity, you’ll feel victorious if enough people don’t challenge you on such a stoopit statement.
serious, if doing another guy is not a sin, then there really is not such a thing as a sexual sin.
If there’s no such thing as a sexual sin, than should we worry about pride, envy, and deceitfulness as well?
I’d say the lessons of Sodom and Gomorrah are pretty clear on this.
I am a sinner, as we all are. I approach other sinners with compassion and respect, whatever their sins are, unless they are actively harming others (rapists, murderers etc).
If people practice homosexuality in private, I pray for them. I pray they repent, and I pray they ask for forgiveness and strength as well as guidance. I do not accept what they do as ‘moral’ because it isn’t, just like drug addiction.
Now, when they start trying to teach it to kids across the country, and flaunt it in the streets, then I have a problem.
Yes. And also fornication (sex before marriage) just as vocally.
Mostly sound and supportive, with one or two detractors. I wonder how many sodomites will pile on once the trolls see the link on this site?
He can call himself anything he wants, that does not make it so. He can describe himself as a 1985 Ford Tarsus. But that does not make him one.
Who said anything about ruling the bedroom? Nobody I know has ever said that, except some leftist I knew years ago who actually thought that was a conservative belief.
However, Christians and republicans are not the same thing, and while republicans may wish to rule the country, Christians are first and foremost interested in pleasing God, and in sharing his Gospel with whoever will listen. And of course in obedience to God, we cry out like the prophets of old against sin and evil, both cultural as well as individual, because we all have an interest in a culture that is not self-destructive.
So if that doesn’t win us any points with certain demographics, too bad. It is God who sets up kings and God who takes them down. We do what we can, and some of us have sworn our very lives in defense of this wonderful country God had given us.
But we are not leftists. We do not buy the premise that the end, no matter how praiseworthy, can justify evil means. And backing away from the God-ordained institution of marriage to gain a temporary electoral advantage would be to forsake the only real advantage we have, the blessing of God.
But if you must live solely in the realm of the pragmatic, I submit to you we cannot win the long-term war against either communism or Islam if we surrender marriage to the deconstructive efforts of the left, because it is precisely marriage and family that form the last true bastion against statist absolutism.
Where marriage dies, as it is doing in the Netherlands via gay marriage, then family dies, the state grows stronger, because it is finally able to assert itself as the super-parent without significant competition. This is why Marxist regimes have always attacked the family as an enemy of the state. They are. And that is why the American left is using homosexuality; it is to clear the family out of their own path to power.
Gay Christians go to that Universalist Church. The one that preaches the “anything goes” sermons.
The "Be not deceived" hilited above concerning things like same-sex sexual relationships sums it up, imo, for so-called gay "Christians."
To meet them with compassion and sensitivity, if they repent, is fine otherwise-”Come out from among them”-St. Paul
No, Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed b/c the people were very inhospitable to outsiders; a grave faux pas back in those days.
Gotta get with the 21st C. revisionism.
Right now I am more worried about who rules the Church.
Let God be true, and every man a liar.
The whims of the world's majority does not matter as long as we understand that God is in charge and we serve Him with all our hearts.
Where you been? The depraved, diseased, and disorder came out of the closet long ago -they are not in their bedrooms -they are in the streets -they want you to subsidize their sickness pay for the treatment of their diseases fund their sex change operations teach people that sickness is normal and self destructive choices are healthy. They want you to subsidize their sex partners and they want to donate their blood to YOU by force.
They left their bedrooms long ago and they are now imposed upon our schools working on imposing themselves upon churches and knocking on your front door with big daddy government backing them.
Get a clue.
***..arsenokoitai is translated as homosexuals.****
There is a joke here but I’m not going to touch it!
If people practice homosexuality in private, I pray for them. I pray they repent, and I pray they ask for forgiveness and strength as well as guidance. I do not accept what they do as moral because it isnt, just like drug addiction.
Now, when they start trying to teach it to kids across the country, and flaunt it in the streets, then I have a problem.
You have outlined my opinions on this matter, as well.
yes, and instead of asking dumb questions, just read it.
I am just saying that if you want the Rats to run the ship, hold on to your past attitudes.
Are the attitudes wrong? NO!
Are your beliefs right, YES!
In my humble opinion, we need to fight them at their game.
Say what ever it takes to get elected and then turn.
Honesty is the conservatives biggest liability.
We may only have one more shot. If 2014 is a wash for Rats, then all is lost.
Then I will saying where is my phone.
Hah! Ok, I get it - and thanks for the explanation.
Sure, I understand the logic, but you have to remember that Nations and Empires come and go, but eternity is for ever. The ends do not justify the means.
Thessalonians 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
I like your approach...praying for ourselves and others is always the best and should be the first action!
Totally agreed with everything you said...
Easter blessings to you!
Easter blessings to you, my friend. With less and less people praying today in our godless society, He will hear your words all the more loudly.
Glad your got my point.
those who did not, prove my post was not in vain.
You mean after we win that magical election, we won't need to win others?
How the heck have you escaped detection for so many years?
They need to keep their “bedroom” antics off the streets, and out of MY FACE and MY CHILDREN’S schools!!
“No, Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed b/c the people were very inhospitable to outsiders; a grave faux pas back in those days.”
As I’m sure you are aware, this is a popular misinterpretation of Scripture amongst sodomites, but the New Testament also debunks that myth:
Jude 7 : “As Sodom and Gomorrha, and the neighbouring cities, in like manner having given themselves over to fornication, and going after other flesh, were made an example, suffering the punishment of eternal fire.”
The Bible is clear that it was their perverse desires which led to their destruction - it had nothing to do with “hospitality”
The word that gets translated to fornication in the Bible is the Greek word “porneia” which means ANY sex that isn’t between a married man and wife.
The other thing about people who pose their sin state as “final and deal with it” or like this person who says, “I’m a gay-Christian” completely miss the point where Jesus forgives us our sins when we face the fact that they are wrong, but then tells us to “go and sin no more.” Not even trying to repent or turn away from sin is wrong and leads to more problems.
Now you're talking about bigamy and polygamy as well. How many marriages can an adulterer have? Are you suggesting that God approves of that?
Kings “rule the country”. Obozo isn’t a king, he said so himself. Anyway, this is not a political issue - the God who made us says that it’s wrong for a man to stick his weenie up another man’s bum - therefore it’s wrong and that’s that. Ohomo can get all the laws passed he wants, it doesn’t change the fact that it’s a sin and those who practice it and don’t repent will spend eternity in hell. I will not support it politically.
Can someone who has previously accepted Christ become a homo? I guess so, just as they can commit adultery or any other sin. If they do not repent and turn away from it eventually, I suspect that they were never saved in the first place.
The fact that those who favor this unhealthy lifestyle politically want to make it illegal to leave it once you are trapped in it tells me all I need to know about who’s behind it. Only Satan would have to pass laws to keep you from leaving his clutches once he has you.....sort of like Islam, come to think of it.
And that’s the point... God only approves of a marriage between one man and one woman. What is created when a person has sex with more than one person of the opposite sex is sin and confusion....where the only exception is when one the two parties dies and the other remarries. And if a sexual act is with a member of the same sex, it’s an abomination.... Leviticus 20:13.
and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
What does that mean?
If your argument had any validity, premarital sex wouldn’t have been the capital offense it once was, per the Old Testament.
What did God do that is worrying you, right now?
His ministers. Are they serving Him as they ought? The politicians, as usual, serve themselves.
Calling evil good and good evil has served us well as a long term strategy.
No such thing as conservatism without honesty. That's the whole point, and if you've missed that, you've kinda missed what it means to be conservative.
Look at it this way. If I tell my kids,
* be truthful about the limits of money,
* be truthful about the child-producing nature of natural marriage,
* be truthful about what it means to kill an innocent child in the womb,
* be truthful about the ugly force it sometimes takes to defend innocent lives from criminals, crazies, and tyrants,
* be truthful about the relative normalcy of the climate, the stability of nature, the smallness of man's role,
* be truthful about why Chicago has such a high murder rate,
* be truthful about the hard work it takes to succeed in most anything and what bad things can happen when you fail.
... and then I say ...
"But to do all that, you gotta lie like the Devil, who is the Father of lies, you gotta be better at lying and dirty tricks than the most sickening, perverted democrats you know"
... do you think just maybe I'd be sending my children some pretty mixed up messages? You raise kids to be conservative by exampling truth to them. Preach truth and live a lie and you will lose them to the dark side. I've seen it happen. Dems, libs, and leftists are so accustomed to lies they can't even hear truth. I know. I've got extended family members who are de facto communists and they just become unreachable after too much time living in the Lie.
So if we followed your advice, maybe we'd do ok for a few elections cycles, beating the dems at their own game. But then one morning we'd wake up and discover we had become them, just as controlling, just as capable of lies and murder. So even if "we" won, it wouldn't be worth it to win on those terms. "we" wouldn't be "us" anymore.
So thanks, but no thanks.
That is all good and proper, but where I grew up we didn’t need to look at the Bible to know homosexuals are sick in the head.
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