Skip to comments.Homosexual activists excited by softer tone of U.S. cardinals
Posted on 04/04/2013 3:45:44 PM PDT by NYer
ROME, April 4, 2013 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Experts say, despite an apparently softer tone on homosexuals from two leading American cardinals, the Roman Catholic Church will not and cannot shift its moral teaching on same-sex "marriage" or the grave sin of homosexual acts.
Cardinals Timothy Dolan, the Archbishop of New York, and Donald Wuerl of Washington D.C., both said in separate interviews that the Church would not be altering its position on “gay marriage” but both are being praised by Terrence Weldon, a British homosexual activist and author of the ‘blog “Queering the Church”.
In an interview with This Week on Easter Sunday, Dolan was asked what he would say to “a gay couple who told him: ‘We love God. We love the Church. But we also love each other, and we want to raise a family in faith.’”
Dolan replied, “When it comes to sexual love, that is intended only for a man and woman in marriage, where children can come about naturally.”
“We gotta do better to see that our defense of marriage is not reduced to an attack on gay people,” Dolan added. “And I admit, we haven’t been too good at that. We try our darndest to make sure we’re not an anti-anybody. We’re in the defense of what God has taught us about…marriage. And it’s one man-one woman, forever, to bring about new life.”
In a Fox News interview this weekend, Cardinal Wuerl commented that “gay” Catholics fall into the same kind of category as those who have divorced and remarried, a situation that normally precludes them from receiving Communion.
Fox’s Chris Wallace asked, if the U.S. Supreme Court rules that there is a constitutional right to same-sex "marriage,” what Cardinal Wuerl would say to “gays who are good Catholics…who believe that God made them that way and who want to commit to a partner?”
Wuerl responded, “The Church is probably…with 20 centuries of experience…probably the most understanding of the human condition of any institution. But at the same time it does remind not only gay people but heterosexual people, straight people, ‘You’re not supposed to be following a moral law apart from what Christ has said to us.’”
When asked if the couple would be allowed to continue in the Church without clerics recognizing their "marriage," Wuerl said" “Well, we do that same thing with people who are married and divorced and remarried. We say, ‘You’re still part of the family, but we can’t recognize that second marriage. We do that, and it’s never been a great problem.”
He added that people in such unions should continue to “walk as close to Christ as you can. That’s why we’re here. Come to Mass. Participate in the life of the Church.”
Whether these comments were intended as a softening or a distancing from the Church’s official teaching on the nature of marriage, they are being taken as such by homosexual activists seeking to force the Church to change and secular media.
Terrence Weldon, an organizer of the notorious Soho Masses in London, wrote on his blog “Queering the Church” that the language used by Wuerl moves the Church a step closer to accepting “gay marriage” and homosexuality.
Thus far, Weldon said that the “orthotoxic” language usually used by churchmen about homosexuality, “especially the description as an ‘intrinsically disordered’ condition, leads many of us to assume that Catholic doctrine is especially discriminatory towards us.”
But Weldon said Wuerl’s comments, taken together with Dolan’s, do “point to part at least of a workable response.”
“Cardinal Wuerl’s recognition that married gay Catholics are in a position no different to those who have remarried after divorce, ‘and it’s never been a great problem,’ is a helpful step forward,” Weldon said. The key, he said, is that in practice, the “formal rules,” are “ignored” in most parishes where “a more sensitive, pastoral welcome applies instead.”
“I hope that married gay and lesbian Catholics will take Cardinal Wuerl at his word, and take their places in Catholic parishes alongside other married couples – and expect the equal treatment, without encountering ‘great problems,’ that the Cardinal has given them grounds to expect,” he wrote.
But Fr. Peter West, Vice President for Missions of Human Life International, said that any suggestion to the contrary, Cardinal Wuerl’s comments cannot be taken as any kind of softening by the Church on homosexuality or “gay marriage.”
“Despite what some anti-Catholic activists wish he said,” Fr. West told LifeSiteNews.com, “Cardinal Wuerl simply restated the Church’s long held position that the Church preaches love for sinners -- which includes all of us -- but a hatred of sin.”
The issue of how the Church deals with those who openly flout its moral teachings has always resolved onto the pinpoint question of reception of Communion at Mass.
Asked whether persons in same-sex unions would be refused Holy Communion, a spokesman for the cardinal told LifeSiteNews.com today, “The interview speaks for itself. We’re not doing interviews on what the cardinal said.”
But Fr. West clarified the Church’s official teaching.
He told LifeSiteNews.com, “Catholics of good will are welcomed to Mass, but only Catholics in the state of grace are allowed to receive the Holy Eucharist, which is a statement of communion with the Church. Catholics who publicly reject Church doctrine and are living in grave sin are called to repentance out of a pastoral concern for their souls, and a desire for their return to communion.”
Wuerl himself, however, has long been a leading voice among the U.S. bishops who “refuse to refuse” Communion to those who publicly flout Catholic moral teaching.
Despite clear instructions from Rome and multiple criticisms from prominent Catholics, including the Vatican’s chief canonist Raymond Cardinal Burke, Cardinal Wuerl’s responses have been consistent on the issue of whether he will refuse Communion to those in a state of what the Church’s Canon Law calls “manifest,” or publicly known, “grave sin.”
In 2007 Wuerl, was asked, as the bishop closest to the national political scene, whether he would discipline the strongly pro-abortion Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi by refusing her Communion. Wuerl told California Catholic Daily reporter Allyson Smith, “I will not be using the faculty in that, in the manner you have described.”
When Smith pressed him on whether he would tell priests to refuse her Communion, the archbishop said, “You’re talking about a whole different style of pastoral ministry. No, thank you.”
And Wuerl has backed up his convictions with actions. In March last year, he stripped a priest of his faculties to celebrate Mass for refusing Communion to a woman who was known to have been living in a homosexual relationship. Fr. Marcel Guarnizo was “placed on administrative leave” by the archdiocese after he refused to distribute Communion to Barbara Johnson, a self-identified Buddhist who had reportedly introduced her lesbian “lover” to the priest in the sacristy right before her mother’s funeral Mass. The Archdiocese issued an apology to Johnson and said that Fr. Guarnizo’s actions were “against policy” and that an investigation was underway.
Wuerl’s position on refusing Communion closely follows that of his predecessor as Cardinal Archbishop of Washington, Theodore McCarrick, who told the business news site Bloomberg on the weekend that he has “no problems” with homosexual civil unions.
Bloomberg’s interviewer asked McCarrick the same question that Wallace presented to Wuerl, given that “the majority of Catholics according to polls now favor same-sex marriage. If two gays or two lesbians came to you for counsel, what would you tell them?”
McCarrick responded, “Well, I would tell them to try to be as good as they can, to try to be as -- as faithful as they can. They can be good friends. The difficulty is we believe that the sacrament of marriage is made for a man and a woman.”
Asked if he has “any problems with civil unions?” McCarrick responded, “No. I have no problem if this is the situation that…I certainly would prefer that to…what I would call a 'marriage' in quotes.”
Gross, just what we need: Excited homosexuals... faboo
The following Crisis Magazine Article was also published today.
Some gay activists and pundits are gushing over this new tone, as if the post-Vatican II Church hadnt already tried it. Why should the bishops think a doctrinally vague irenicism will be any more successful now than it was in the 1970s? All it terminates in is a shrunken Church and a world confirmed in its errors. Just look at the empty nunneries, once full of self-consciously trendy sisters who now dont even bother to recruit.
A freeper who has mastered speed reading .. of titles.
Nothing wrong with commenting on a title....or in this case, headline....especially one so easy as this one...
What exactly are they getting excited about? Wuerl (known as “Wuerl the Girl” to some in his diocese) has always been a pro-gay and pro-abortion-supporting-Democrat-politician flunky.
And Dolan is saying nothing that any other bishop hasn’t said: nobody hates homosexuals per se, but they hate the idea that now homosexual people turn themselves into “gays,” that is, people with an agenda that is based entirely on sex.
And homosexuals should hate it too; who wants to be defined by their private parts? And how many “gay” people are really basically asexual and have been driven into “gayness” to defend themselves?
Well it was just sitting there screaming for a response, flaming even.
irenicism (aɪˈriːnɪˌsɪzəm) noun the promotion and support of peace and conciliation.
The word derives from the Greek word ειρήνη (eirene) meaning peace.
Headlines are intended to grab attention .. to lure one into a particular topic. The content material, on the other hand, is printed to offset the headline.
Despite what some anti-Catholic activists wish he said, Fr. West told LifeSiteNews.com, Cardinal Wuerl simply restated the Churchs long held position that the Church preaches love for sinners -- which includes all of us -- but a hatred of sin.
The "meat" is in the content, not the title.
Just like with congress, they’ll start listing the cardinals who start lining up to endorse “gay marriage”.
Hey Vatican, are you listening?
Truly an unfortunate headline.
Homosexual behavior is sinful, according to classic Christianity and Judaism.
Drunkenness is, too.
Thievery as well.
Now look, those who REPENT and STOP their sinful behavior ought to be welcomed as fellow believers. Those who do NOT repent and stop their behavior—that is, do not make a concerted effort to turn around—are not part of the Christian community.
As always, following Jesus’ example, we are to love the sinner but hate the sin.
The problem is going to be much more cumbersome when the secular world is going to try and FORCE people of faith to celebrate and acknowledge sodomy.
This is one reason why we have to resist the intrusion of the state upon the freedom of religion.
See: abortion being funded by religious people as one of the big legal battles currently being waged.
one of the reasons why the Rutgers U. basketball coach was fired.
Don’t take yourself or your post so seriously....there is room for light and pithy comments as well as serious commentary. It’s called freedom.
Nobody is “endorsing gay marriage.” Wuerl has always been a Dem first (including pro-gay and pro-abortion) and a Catholic later, but I think he’s pretty close to retirement. Another bad JPII appointee.
Dolan just said the usual love the sinner, hate the sin. So what’s for lefties to like about this?
When one considers that these trial balloons are being floated up by these two cardinals just as the new pope takes the reins, it’s clear that they’re looking for a response, or a lack thereof, from Rome, and at this point, expect Pope Francis to endorse their evil deeds by failing to act against them.
Sadly, I think the odds are much better than even that they’ve guessed right, and that Pope Francis is just as soft on the homosexual agenda, and abortion, and all the other pathologies of the left, as they are.
They all talk a good game, but it’s no wonder so many Catholics have wandered off into Satan’s wood, as lay Catholics look not at what the bishops SAY but at what they DO, or rather, FAIL TO DO.
We should pray that God would send us real shepherds rather than this gang of hired hands.
Cardinal Wuerl must submit his letter of resignation in November, 2015. Not quite “close to retirement,” but certainly rounding the corner toward that eventuality.
However, he wasn't appointed Archbishop of Washington by Pope John Paul II, but rather by Pope Benedict, in May, 2006.
any position that makes homosexuals excited, is not a good one.
Excellent comeback. You never got caught with your hand in the cookie jar, did you? lol
These poofters get excited any time Dorothy comes on the oldies of oldies radio!
“When one considers that these trial balloons are being floated up by these two cardinals just as the new pope takes the reins, its clear that theyre looking for a response, or a lack thereof, from Rome, and at this point, expect Pope Francis to endorse their evil deeds by failing to act against them.”
It is amazing that the Church is still standing when one considers the unwillingness of bishops like these to apply the Code of Canon Law to such serious matters as the sacrilegious reception of Holy Communion. It makes me wonder what else they are “letting go.”
One of the most stinging indictments of the Irish abuse crisis was that the bishops utterly failed to apply the Church’s own Code to the perpetrators. If they had, the number of victims would have been a tiny fraction of those who suffered in the end. Where bishops hold the law in contempt, injustice flourishes and innocents suffer. If for nothing else, they should have a mind to their own eternal fate.
How sad. But, of course, these bishops and priests place their own souls in mortal jeopardy by cleverly misleading homosexuals into believing that their activity is “almost” okay, but just not quite rightat least not yet. As a result, these poor gay-oriented souls will die and face the real truth, the Eternal Truth, without ever having had the benefit of at least being told just how terribly sinful and offensive homosexual acts are against God. But the, so-called, “shepherds” who are “leading these little ones astray”, will find as promised by Jesus Christ, that their actions will most assuredly lead them both to “fall into the pit”...crosier,mitre and all.
They’re getting excited over nothing ... the tone may have changed but the Church’s views won’t.
I KNOW the stances of these cardinals...
But in case you haven’t noticed, the trend is to embrace SSM and the cynic in me wouldn’t be surprised if the cards didn’t sign up too...
The way of the world these days...it seems...
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