Skip to comments.Are Mormon people LITERAL saviors of dead Jews, others? (Baptism of DEAD Top Lds mission: Vanity)
Posted on 04/04/2013 6:51:33 PM PDT by Colofornian
On this day April 4, 1981 (32 years ago) Mormon church president-prophet Spencer W. Kimball made an announcement about what the three-fold MISSION was of the Mormon church.
In other words, these three things were not minor fair, and the first two were not surprising for any given church (proclaim the gospel, and perfect the saints).
What was the third part?
Per Kimball, it was to redeem the dead. (Source: On This Day in the Church: An Illustrated Almanac of the Latter-day Saints, Eagle Gate Publishing, Salt Lake City, 2000, p. 65)
A previous string of Mormon prophets John Taylor, Wilford Woodruff, Joseph F. Smith and Joseph Fielding Smith -- certainly heavily inculcated the idea among Mormons that saviors of the dead were plural...In other words, they werent talking about Jesus Christ as being THE Savior of the dead!
And, unlike the Bible, which places a definitive THE before Jesus Christ as THE Savior (John 4:42; 1 John 4:14), Mormon prophets have long and consistently preached that the Mormon churches produces saviors plural! (Lds often cite Obadiah 21, which the KJV renders as "saviors"; the NIV makes it clear that these "deliverers" are there to govern the mountains of Esau; not become proxy saviors taking Jesus' role as Savior of the World!)
Lds prophet John Taylor: " ...we are the only people that know how to save our progenitors, how to save ourselves, and how to save our posterity in the celestial kingdom of God;...we in fact are the saviours of the world..." (Lds "prophet" John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, vol.6, p.163)
Taylor: "We know something about our progenitors, and God has taught us how to be saviors for them by being baptized for them in the flesh, that they may live according to God in the Spirit (LDS "prophet" John Taylor, March 20,1870, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 14, 3/20/1870)
Lds prophet Wilford Woodruff: YOU will be recognized as Saviors upon Mount Zion (Teachings of Presidents: Wilford Woodruff, p. 189, 2004)
Woodruff: WE become saviors on Mount Zion as we build temples and receive saving ordinances on behalf of the dead. (Teachings of Presidents: Wilford Woodruff, p. 187)
Lds prophet Joseph Fielding Smith: ... mortals have to be saviors on Mount Zion, acting by proxy for the dead." (LDS "prophet" Joseph Fielding Smith, The Way to Perfection, p. 325)
Lds prophet Joseph F. Smith: Teach your children and let yourselves be taught the fact that it is necessary for you to become saviors upon Mount Zion (Joseph F. Smith, Teachings of Presidents: Joseph F. Smith, p. 412, 1998)
Lds prophet Joseph F. Smith: WE have a certain work to do in order to liberate they are unprepared for eternal life: we have to open the door for them, by performing ordinances which they cannot perform for themselves, and which are essential to their release from the prison-house, (Joseph F. Smith, Ibid, p. 410)
The Christian counterclaim is that Jesus Christ has already done that, minus any ritual mumbo-jumbo performed in a man-made temple. Jesus said His personal temple one that would zero in on death and the only real temple worth anything regarding salvation was the temple of His body (John 2:19-21). That body was laid on the cross. He liberated us and opened the door; we are free to walk out of the prison-house of our sin nature, bondage to this world, bondage to Satan, bondage to a fear of death, etc!
Lds prophet Joseph F. Smith emphasized that not only do Lds need to perform every law and every requirement of the (Mormon) gospel for themselves, but for the dead as well:
No man can enter into the Kingdom of God but by the door and through the means that Jesus Christ has offered to the children of men. Not a soul that has ever lived and died from off the face of this earth shall escape a chance to hear the gospel of Jesus Christ. If they receive it and obey it, the ordinances of the gospel will be performed for and in their behalf, by their kindred, or their posterity in some generation of time after them, so that every law and every requirement of the gospel of Jesus Christ shall be carried out, and the promises and requirements fulfilled for the salvation of the living and also for the salvation of the dead. (Teachings of Presidents: Joseph F. Smith, p. 307, 1998; original source Latter-day Saints Follow Teachings of the Savior, Scrap Book of Mormon Literature, 2 vols. 2:561-562).
In other words, Jesus proxy blood didnt fulfill the requirements and debt-payments and falling short of fulfilling the law. Mormon proxy sweat labor has to fulfill that. And for how many of the dead of history?
The work of saving the dead has practically been reserved for the dispensation of the fullness of times, when the Lord shall restore all things. It is, therefore, the duty of the Latter-day Saints to see that it is accomplished. WE cannot do it all at once, but will have the 1,000 years of the millennium to do it in. In that time the work must be done in behalf of the dead of the previous 6,000 years, for all who need it. (Lds prophet Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation 2:166)
In before the mormonic defenders who categorize disagreement as hate... probably liberals.
In before those who are intolerant of those they accuse of being intolerant...
Don’t forget: Mormons are to Christians...what Christians are to Jews....
A proxy baptism was performed on Anne Frank on February 18, 2012, according to Mormon church records.
The truth is, every person is responsible for his/her own salvation, by grace, through faith in the finished job of Jesus on the Cross!
Nope. You get one chance. Joseph Smith was just a man who is deader than a doornail now and his soul is awaiting resurrection and judgement.
Well, if you were Baptist-Mormons -- and insisted upon immersion -- then you could dig up the corpse...and...
(But I don't know of very many "Baptist-Mormons")
(Ya know...even the Book of Mormon agrees with this statement of yours in several places...but, where Book of Mormon teachings conflicted with Joey Smith, the Mormons chose Joey!)
(Y'all the remember the Jews & Noachides who have come thru various FR Lds threads defending Mormonism...and yet nary say a word about Mormons "baptizing" Anne Frank & other Holocaust victims)...
Oh, yeah, there's Blasater 1960 in post #5 right on time with a prime-time example of what I'm talkin' 'bout!
I seem to remember that several years ago, there was a confrontation between Mormons and Jews regarding this posthumous baptizing of dead people, particularly those who were Jews. In fact, it may have been the baptism of Anne Frank which prompted this meeting. I also seem to remember that the Mormon Church agreed to tell their members not to submit the names of deceased Jews to their temple for “sealing” in the LDS Church. Does anyone else remember this?
There is only ONE Savior and He was NOT a mormon.
That makes zero sense in the reasoned universe
“Oh, yeah, there’s Blasater 1960 in post #5 right on time with a prime-time example of what I’m talkin’ ‘bout!”
That is a prime example? lol A) I indicted you both and defended nothing. B) What makes you think I didn’t say anything about Baptizing Jews?
Yup. I believe this formally kicked off in 1995.
I also seem to remember that the Mormon Church agreed to tell their members not to submit the names of deceased Jews to their temple for sealing in the LDS Church. Does anyone else remember this?
Yup. But some of the MOrmon grassroots didn't listen very well; and the Mormon church had little "policing" authority put in place on this.
Because you are a "no show" on Google on this...
Put in any combo of your name with various words & phrases involving baptize, baptizing, Jews, Holocaust, etc.
Nothing involving you pops up.
Uh yeah. I am sure I have commented before.
And you missed this pro mormon post of mine.