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Mormonism in Pictures: Young Women of the Church | April 4 [Taught they are literal goddesses]
Mormon [Church] News Room ^ | April 4, 2013

Posted on 04/05/2013 4:38:51 PM PDT by Colofornian

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Young women, their mothers and leaders recently participated in the annual Young Women meeting in the Conference Center and in thousands of meetinghouses across the world. The Church’s Young Women organization provides instruction, encouragement and support in living the gospel of Jesus Christ for teenage girls ages 12 to 17.

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The Young Women program emphasizes eight values — faith, divine nature, individual worth, knowledge, choice and accountability, good works, integrity and virtue — each represented by a different color, as in these flags...

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TOPICS: Current Events; Other non-Christian; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: godhood; lds; mormonism; youngwomen
From the Lds newsroom: The Church’s Young Women organization provides instruction, encouragement and support in living the gospel of Jesus Christ for teenage girls ages 12 to 17...The Young Women program emphasizes eight values...

What are these 8? A woman's...
individual worth
her knowledge
her choice(s) & accountability
her good works
her integrity
her virtue
her faith

Sounds pretty good so far...what about the OTHER "value"?


That value happens to be her supposed inherent "divine nature"

Yup. Mormonism is the most respectable New Age-like "cult there is..." Teaching 12 yo they are mini-gods!

From an Lds.org Relief Society chapter detail lesson: It is for the exaltation of man to this state of superior intelligence and Godhead that the mediation and atonement of Jesus Christ is instituted; and that noble being, man, made in the image of God, is rendered capable not only of being a son of man, but also a son of God, … and is rendered capable of becoming a God, possessing the power, the majesty, the exaltation and the position of a God
Source: Lds.org Relief Society chapter detail: The Origin and Destiny of Mankind

You can also see how this same "I am divine" aspect is stressed according to this ex-Mormon, ex-Relief Society participant, ex-Young Women's class participant: I Was a Mormon: Tara Sivulka

1 posted on 04/05/2013 4:38:51 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

So, Dieter, you are helping to indoctrinate young LDS women into believing that they have a divine nature. Interesting.

You are now, what, about 72 years old? As a former commercial pilot and airline executive you must be very familiar with numbers, probability, actuarial tables, etc. Consulting such tables, you must be well aware that you are not too many years away from flight testing your hypotheses, that is to say, whether they will fly or will, as Daedalus, simply come crashing to earth (or worse). That is to say, you are 5 to 20 years away from seeing whether the divine nature you theorize regarding the young ladies of the LDS, and teach, publicly and openly, as truth revealed by “heavenly Father,” as opposed to THE Father in heaven who is confessed in the three ecumenical creeds - notice how LDS’ers always leave off the definite article “the” from “heavenly Father,” it is a cultic thing - is actually true. Wouldn’t it be quite a surprise - unpleasant, to be sure! - Dieter, great pilot and executive that you are, to discover that the “divine nature” you so confidently adjure the young ladies of the LDS to believe and trust as being resident in themselves is not in accord with the will, intent, and reality of the Father in heaven who so loved the world that He gave His only-begotten Son?

Fool.


2 posted on 04/05/2013 5:19:52 PM PDT by Belteshazzar (We are not justified by our works but by faith - De Jacob et vita beata 2 +Ambrose of Milan)
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To: Colofornian
FLDS.. flds photo: FLDS Cult 4589453FLDS.jpg I have to agree Amish are much prettier.
3 posted on 04/05/2013 6:54:01 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Colofornian

And now they are demanding a change to the doctrine of priesthood, they women want in.


4 posted on 04/05/2013 7:11:03 PM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: Colofornian

I am a Mormon and I am a Democrat and I am divine


5 posted on 04/05/2013 10:36:09 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Colofornian

Thanks Colofornian for your faithfulness in getting out the truth about Mormonism.


6 posted on 04/05/2013 11:41:43 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Morgana

They sure seem to be a happy lot! NOT!


7 posted on 04/05/2013 11:42:40 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Colofornian
You can also see how this same "I am divine" aspect is stressed....

Yeah; I've seen it; and it is as good as etched in STONE!!!


The Doctrine and Covenants

Section 132

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded 12 July 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, and also the plurality of wives (see History of the Church, 5:501–7). Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831.

1–6, Exaltation is gained through the new and everlasting covenant; 7–14, The terms and conditions of that covenant are set forth; 15–20, Celestial marriage and a continuation of the family unit enable men to become gods; 21–25, The strait and narrow way leads to eternal lives; 26–27, The law is given relative to blasphemy against the Holy Ghost; 28–39, Promises of eternal increase and exaltation are made to prophets and Saints in all ages; 40–47, Joseph Smith is given the power to bind and seal on earth and in heaven; 48–50, The Lord seals upon him his exaltation; 51–57, Emma Smith is counseled to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.

 


 

 16Therefore, when they are out of the world they neither marry nor are given in amarriage; but are appointed angels in bheaven, which angels are ministering cservants, to minister for those who are worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of glory.

 17For these angels did not abide my law; therefore, they cannot be enlarged, but remain separately and singly, without exaltation, in their saved condition, to all eternity; and from henceforth are not gods, but are aangels of God forever and ever.

 18And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, if that acovenant is not by me or by my word, which is my law, and is not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, through him whom I have anointed and appointed unto this power, then it is not valid neither of force when they are out of the world, because they are not joined by me, saith the Lord, neither by my word; when they are out of the world it cannot be received there, because the angels and the gods are appointed there, by whom they cannot pass; they cannot, therefore, inherit my glory; for my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God.

 19And again, verily I say unto you, if a man amarry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and beverlasting covenant, and it is csealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of dpromise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the ekeys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them—Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit fthrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths—then shall it be written in the Lamb’s gBook of Life, that he shall commit no hmurder whereby to shed innocent iblood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their jexaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the kseeds forever and ever.

 20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from aeverlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be bgods, because they have call power, and the angels are subject unto them.

 21Verily, verily, I say unto you, except ye abide my alaw ye cannot attain to this glory.

 22For astrait is the gate, and narrow the bway that leadeth unto the exaltation and continuation of the clives, and few there be that find it, because ye receive me not in the world neither do ye know me.

 23But if ye receive me in the world, then shall ye know me, and shall receive your exaltation; that awhere I am ye shall be also.

 24This is aeternal lives—to bknow the only wise and true God, and Jesus Christ, whom he hath csent. I am he. Receive ye, therefore, my law.

 25aBroad is the gate, and wide the way that leadeth to the bdeaths; and many there are that go in thereat, because they creceive me not, neither do they abide in my law.


8 posted on 04/06/2013 5:32:14 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Belteshazzar


Hi!

I'm Faith,

The other girls and I are just doing a little shopping to re-supply our loving family with necessary items.

Have you met the rest of them??

If not, let me introduce you to...


Divine Nature, Individual Worth, Knowledge, Choice A. Accountability, Good Works, Integrity and lastly, but not least - Virtue.


We'd love to stay and chat a while, but we MUST be hurrying along as our loving husbands and loving children will be expecting yet another fabulous meal when they get home from work and school.


Ta ta - see you later...

9 posted on 04/06/2013 5:40:39 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SoConPubbie; Utah Binger
They sure seem to be a happy lot! NOT!

THOSE ARE NOT MORMONS!!!!!




Media Letter   
26 June 2008 — Salt Lake City  (http://newsroom.lds.org/additional-resource/media-letter)

*The following is a letter from Elder Lance B. Wickman, General Counsel of the Church to publishers of major newspapers, TV stations and magazines. It was sent out on Tuesday, June 24, 2008.




Recent events have focused the media spotlight on a polygamous sect near San Angelo, Texas, calling itself the “Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.” As you probably know, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has absolutely no affiliation with this polygamous sect. Decades ago, the founders of that sect rejected the doctrines of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, were excommunicated, and then started their own religion. To the best of our knowledge, no one at the Texas compound has ever been a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Unfortunately, however, some of the media coverage of the recent events in Texas has caused members of the public to confuse the doctrines and members of that group and our church. We have received numerous inquiries from confused members of the public who, by listening to less than careful media reports, have come to a grave misunderstanding about our respective doctrines and faith. Based on these media reports many have erroneously concluded that there is some affiliation between the two – or even worse, that they are one and the same.

Over the years, in a careful effort to distinguish itself, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has gone to significant lengths to protect its rights in the name of the church and related matters. Specifically, we have obtained registrations for the name “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints,” “Mormon,” “Book of Mormon” and related trade and service marks from the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office and corresponding agencies in a significant number of foreign countries.

We are confident that you are committed to avoiding misleading statements that cause unwarranted confusion and that may disparage or infringe the intellectual property rights discussed above. Accordingly, we respectfully request the following:

  1. As reflected in the AP Style Guide, we ask that you and your organization refrain from referring to members of that polygamous sect as “fundamentalist Mormons” or “fundamentalist” members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
  2. We ask that, when reporting about this Texas-based polygamous sect or any other polygamous group, you avoid either explicitly or implicitly any inference that these groups are affiliated with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
  3. On those occasions when it may be necessary in your reporting to refer to the historical practice of plural marriage in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, that you make very clear that the Church does not condone the practice of polygamy and that it has been forbidden in the Church for over one hundred years. Moreover, we absolutely condemn arranged or forced “marriages” of underage girls to anyone under any circumstances.

Stated simply, we would like to be known and recognized for whom we are and what we believe, and not be inaccurately associated with beliefs and practices that we condemn in the strongest terms. We would be grateful if you could circulate or copy this letter to your editorial staff and to your legal counsel.

We thank you for your consideration of these important matters.

Sincerely,

Lance B. Wickman

General Counsel



WHY can't you HATEFUL bigots get it RIGHT???

--MormonDude(I need less coffee...)

10 posted on 04/06/2013 5:43:42 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Take your pick.


11 posted on 04/06/2013 5:50:08 AM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: Utah Binger

DAUGHTERs???

Where are the WIVEs???


12 posted on 04/06/2013 6:44:24 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Utah Binger

I found ‘em...

http://www.esplincousins.com/thomas/thomashome.html


13 posted on 04/06/2013 6:47:56 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian

Joint heirs with Christ Jesus. We are adopted Jews and grafted into the branches. Both men and women who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Amen.


14 posted on 04/06/2013 2:41:34 PM PDT by District13 (Obama scares me)
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To: District13

“Joint heirs with Christ Jesus.”


Yes, but we are not gods:

Isa_44:8 ... Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.

Isa_45:5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

There is only one God. To say that we will become gods by obedience to the LDS is a lie from the pit of hell.


15 posted on 04/06/2013 2:46:54 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: District13
Joint heirs with Christ Jesus.

You know, those truly in Christ will receive much. But there's NO where that the Bible talks about god-multiplication. (At least if we rule out false gods as part of that consideration)

You know, you can name your dog an "heir" & give him/her much upon your death. (That doesn't convert that dog into a human being)

16 posted on 04/06/2013 8:29:49 PM PDT by Colofornian (If BoM is everlasting gospel, why no god as exalted man, 3 glorious degrees, men becoming gods, etc?)
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To: Colofornian

“You know, you can name your dog an “heir” & give him/her much upon your death. (That doesn’t convert that dog into a human being)”

Take it to St. Paul the Apostle who said we are “joint heirs” with Christ Jesus. It is rather insulting to bring up dogs in this context but it’s a free country on FreeRepublic - you can say whatever you want, unless you’re a Mormon, that is. Have a great day!


17 posted on 04/07/2013 5:01:02 AM PDT by District13 (Obama scares me)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

I can quote Scripture, too. One of my favorites states in the New Testament that I am a “joint heir” with my Savior and Redeemer, Christ Jesus. I have been grafted in (adopted) and I am so very grateful for my Savior’s Atoning Sacrifice - He suffered and died to save me from my sins so that I may return to be with Him and my Heavenly Father forever. Amen.


18 posted on 04/07/2013 5:03:48 AM PDT by District13 (Obama scares me)
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To: District13
Take it to St. Paul the Apostle who said we are “joint heirs” with Christ Jesus

There never was a point that Christ wasn't divine. (Or are you claiming that He wasn't divine at some point)

Since He was always divine, then obviously His "heirship" didn't involve becoming a god.

It is rather insulting to bring up dogs in this context but it’s a free country on FreeRepublic - you can say whatever you want, unless you’re a Mormon, that is.

And so now, by implication--by parallel--you accuse C.S. Lewis of writing "insulting" things?

C.S. Lewis once described the incarnation as like a man becoming a frog to save all the frogs of the world.

The situations are all analogous: Pre Christ's incarnation, there existed a greater gap between Christ and man than there is between a dog & humanity or between frogs & humanity.

19 posted on 04/07/2013 9:26:25 AM PDT by Colofornian (If BoM is everlasting gospel, why no god as exalted man, 3 glorious degrees, men becoming gods, etc?)
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To: District13

“I can quote Scripture, too.”


Yes, but unlike you, I believe it. Let me know when you’ve become a Monotheist and I’ll begin to take your scripture quoting seriously.


20 posted on 04/07/2013 9:53:06 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: Colofornian

“All of you are children of the most High.” (Ps. 82:6.)

“We are the offspring of God.” (Acts 17:29.)


21 posted on 04/07/2013 10:16:20 AM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (There's no shame in attacking a criminal's bean bag. -- Ron Swanson)
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To: Choose Ye This Day; District13; All
“All of you ARE children of the most High.” (Ps. 82:6.) “We ARE the offspring of God.” (Acts 17:29.)

Ya know, whatever we ARE according to these two verses, it says absolutely NOTHING about what we will BECOME.

ALL: This is where Mormon proof-texting & wrestling sentences out of context is downright dangerous, misleading, deceptive & depicts a lack of integrity by the Mormon church.

Here, Mormons reserve "becoming divine" for only
MARRIED,
lds
temple-priesthood holders,
...and what do they have to resort to in order to try to prove that?

Well, since BOTH the Bible AND the Book of Mormon says NOTHING about men becoming gods, Mormons have to try to wrestle & twist Psalm 82 & Acts 17 out of context.

CYTD, who is Psalm 82 & Acts 17 addressed to?

Are they addressed to marvelous just & righteous priesthood holders?

Ps. 82:2 shows it is addressed to unjust judges who show partiality to the wicked.

The Acts 17 portion you cite is on Mars Hill where the apostle Paul addressed polytheistic pagans. Is that who you are claiming become gods?

This is shameful out-of-context distortion, CYTD!!! You should repent before the Holy Spirit who inspired these verses! Repent!

BTW, CYTD, even one of your apologetics' sources -- FAIR -- conceded:

...one of Mormonism’s most respected scholars, Apostle James Talmage... [said] In his book “Jesus The Christ,”...agreed that Jesus was referring to divinely appointed judges when he wrote, “Divinely Appointed Judges Called ‘gods.’ In Psalm 82:6, judges invested by divine appointment are called ‘gods.’ To this the Savior referred in His reply to the Jews in Solomon’s Porch. Judges so authorized officiated as the representatives of God and are honored by the exalted title ‘gods’” (pg. 501).
http://www.fairlds.org/authors/mcguire-ben/reconsidering-psalms-826

So, one of your "apostles" says this has to do with divinely-appointed judges, who, as Ps. 82:2 points out -- were "unjust" & hardly "candidates" for godhood!

22 posted on 04/07/2013 11:35:39 AM PDT by Colofornian (If BoM is everlasting gospel, why no god as exalted man, 3 glorious degrees, men becoming gods, etc?)
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To: District13; Greetings_Puny_Humans; All
I have been grafted in (adopted)...

Well, which is it, District? Were you an "adopted" child of God, or were you a child of God from the pre-existence?

(You Mormons always try to have it BOTH ways!)

23 posted on 04/07/2013 11:38:00 AM PDT by Colofornian (If BoM is everlasting gospel, why no god as exalted man, 3 glorious degrees, men becoming gods, etc?)
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To: Colofornian

That’s rich. You’re calling me to repentance on an anonymous message board. That’s cute.

I have plenty of which to repent (as I’m sure you do), but the Gospel is not one of them. I put my whole faith in my Lord Jesus Christ, and I trust in His judgment and mercy.

You are free to have a blessed, joyous day, if you so choose.


24 posted on 04/07/2013 3:50:56 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (There's no shame in attacking a criminal's bean bag. -- Ron Swanson)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

“Yes, but unlike you, I believe it.”

I believe the Holy Bible; in fact I believe it literally. Thank you for your kind Christian-like response.


25 posted on 04/07/2013 4:30:36 PM PDT by District13 (Obama scares me)
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To: Belteshazzar
Well, let's see if I can get this straight. You do not believe that people have a spark of the divine in us that was put there by our Heavenly Father.
26 posted on 04/07/2013 4:38:10 PM PDT by District13 (Obama scares me)
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To: Morgana

Polygamy will get you ex-communicated in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints - for over 100 years. Posting that photo of the FLDS women is a cheap shot.


27 posted on 04/07/2013 4:39:41 PM PDT by District13 (Obama scares me)
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To: Colofornian

Hi Colofornian,

According to Peter, we are encouraged to be partakers of the divine nature:

2 Peter 1:4 — “Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.”

I am deeply thankful for the LDS Young Women’s organization for encouraging the youth of our church to focus on spiritual values and and teaching the to escape the corruption of this world — of which there is much.

We encourage the young men and women of the church to put their faith in Jesus Christ, to repent of sin and follow His teachings.

Best,

Normandy


28 posted on 04/07/2013 4:48:52 PM PDT by Normandy
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To: District13

I do not know what you mean by “a spark of the divine.” That is most assuredly not a phrase to be found in the Bible, either Old or New Testament. So, I have no idea what you are asking, much less if we even agree on terminology (something good to do before a discussion begins, unless one is simply looking for a fight). If you would clarify, I might be able to answer your question.

From the tone of your reply, however, I am inclined to think that you feel I said something which you think is wrong. More than that I cannot extract from your reply.


29 posted on 04/07/2013 4:52:26 PM PDT by Belteshazzar (We are not justified by our works but by faith - De Jacob et vita beata 2 +Ambrose of Milan)
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To: District13

“I believe the Holy Bible; in fact I believe it literally. “


If that were true, you wouldn’t be a pagan who disbelieves the Bible about hell, sin, salvation, eternity and God. And you wouldn’t keep replying to me with these assertions without addressing the scripture.

Isa_43:10 ... before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

The Baha’i who believe their dead honcho was the second coming of Jesus Christ literally spend more time than you do trying to find ways to make the Christian scripture match their fantasies.

I’m sorry, but as a Christian I delight in assertions and in absolute facts. Your relativism and emotional appeals are alien and hateful to me.


30 posted on 04/07/2013 5:20:19 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: Normandy

“According to Peter, we are encouraged to be partakers of the divine nature:”


Sorry, but Peter is also a monotheist:

Isa_43:10 ... before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

He did not disbelieve in the existence of everlasting punishment in hell, and he did not believe the central point of the Gospel was just to become worthy enough to become a polygamist god of your own planet, while those who miss out just dwell in lower heavens in eternal envy of the white and delightsome Mormons.


31 posted on 04/07/2013 5:23:49 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: District13

“Polygamy will get you ex-communicated in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints - for over 100 years. “


According to your second Prophet, denying the practice of polygamy will result in your damnation.

“Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;

and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,

and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)

So, is Brigham Young a false prophet, or is the LDS in rebellion against the everlasting covenant established by the Mormon-God for the past 100 years?


32 posted on 04/07/2013 5:28:44 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: Normandy; Choose Ye This Day; District13; All
Hi Colofornian, According to Peter, we are encouraged to be partakers of the divine nature: 2 Peter 1:4 — “Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.”

Normandy, I have respect for you; please don't do what Choose Ye This Day was doing -- wrestling verses out of context.

To hear Choose Ye This Day tell it in post #21, pagan polytheists (Acts 17) were ALREADY "gods" on this earth! (Along with unjust judges in David's time!...See Ps. 82:1-2, 6)

See my next post, please.

33 posted on 04/07/2013 6:50:55 PM PDT by Colofornian (If BoM is everlasting gospel, why no god as exalted man, 3 glorious degrees, men becoming gods, etc?)
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To: Normandy; Choose Ye This Day; District13; Greetings_Puny_Humans; All
Hi Colofornian, According to Peter, we are encouraged to be partakers of the divine nature: 2 Peter 1:4 — “Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.”

Why I don't agree with everything about Craig Blomberg's presentation -- or what he oft "let go" re: BYU prof's Stephen Robinson's comments in their combined book, How Wide the Divide: A Mormon & an Evangelical in Conversation, Blomberg took the time to explain 2 Peter 1:4 in context:

"But IN CONTEXT 2 Peter 1:4 is clearly talking about becoming like God MORALLY, not metaphysically."
Source: Book title mentioned above, p. 101, Inter-Varsity Press, 1997

I wanted to go on with Blomberg's quote there, but before I do, I need to ask you a direct question, Normandy (& other Lds).

IF you think that Peter is talking metaphysically here -- what is -- and ontologically ... then are you saying that Peter was a polytheist? Are you really claiming that the dozen disciples (including Judas' replacement) became 12 additional gods?

Is that what you believe? That the universe(s) is/are full of untold number of gods? (A simple "yes" or "no" will do here)

If you DO really believe Peter was a polytheist, then just say so...and yes, you Catholics reading Normandy's response can weigh in here on this Mormon claim about your "first pope"

Blomberg excerpt cont'd: "The previous verse" [2 Peter 1:3] "declares that God's divine power has given us everything we need for life AND GODLINESS. Verse 4 itself links participating in the divine nature with escaping the corruption of the evil world. And verse 5 continues with the encouragement to add to one's faith goodness, knowledge, self-control, perseverance, godliness, brotherly kindness and love. The context never blurs the ontological distinction between Creator and creature."
Source: Book title mentioned above, p. 101, Inter-Varsity Press, 1997

Here's the NIV Version of 2 Peter 1:3-4: 3 His divine power has given us everything we need for a godly life through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness. 4 Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

IoW, if the Mormons were to interpret 2 Pet. 1:3-4 literally as "becoming EVENTUAL gods," then they would HAVE to concede that v. 3 claims that God has ALREADY "GIVEN us EVERYTHING we need" to be gods...RIGHT NOW!

But Mormons don't teach that, do they, Normandy, about earning the celestial kingdom?

Furthermore, they would have to honor 2 Peter 1:3 that this "everything" God has "given us for...godliness" would = 100% pure gift...but Mormons don't teach that, do they, Normandy, in regard to reaching the celestial kingdom? [They don't teach that reaching the celestial kingdom is pure gift]

Verse 5 talks about "making every EFFORT" to add a whole host of things to our faith ON THIS SIDE OF DEATH. Clearly, then, the ENTIRE CONTEXT of what Peter is talking about...
...life (v.3),
...godliness (v. 3),
...escaping this world (v. 4),
...temperance (self-control) mentioned in v. 6....
...is WHO WE ARE...and WHAT WE DO ("make every effort" -- v. 5) in THIS WORLD RIGHT NOW!

He is NOT talking about some EVENTUAL divine Disneyland coming down the pike aeons from now where you get to be Walt Disney of your "own fantasyland" or whatever!

As Blomberg says, verse 3 highlights...
..."everything we need for LIFE"
...and v. 4 discusses how we need His fleshed-out promises -- including, btw, Jesus' promise of the divine Holy Spirit given to us -- in order to escape the corruption of the evil life in the world!

2 Peter 1, then, is discussing all of these aspects as it relates to THIS world! And how God offers participation with Him -- union with Him -- the same thing Jesus talked about in John 17...as we IN THIS WORLD become fit for immortal life.

And, yes, angels have immortal life, too...yet that doesn't make them automatic "gods," does it????

Summary: Peter is saying that as we become godly and share in Christlikeness we become "Christified" -- anointed. God, thru His Holy Spirit living in us, His temple, lives out godly virtues thru us as we participate with Him. This is indeed an experiential living together -- a participation -- in union with Him.

But then who gets the credit for doing that? (God the Holy Spirit does!] WE are NOT to set ourselves us to competitive rivals to God's worship, God's glory, God's adoration, etc.!!

And, as Blomberg reminds us, this in-context interpretation doesn't confuse Creator vs. creature...which Mormons do in their theology/anthropology!

34 posted on 04/07/2013 6:57:50 PM PDT by Colofornian (If BoM is everlasting gospel, why no god as exalted man, 3 glorious degrees, men becoming gods, etc?)
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To: Colofornian; Normandy; Choose Ye This Day; District13; Greetings_Puny_Humans; All
Spelling/word correction on my third-to-last line from last post: "WE are NOT to set ourselves UP as competitive rivals to God's worship, God's glory, God's adoration, etc.!!
35 posted on 04/07/2013 7:01:52 PM PDT by Colofornian (If BoM is everlasting gospel, why no god as exalted man, 3 glorious degrees, men becoming gods, etc?)
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To: District13

36 posted on 04/08/2013 3:20:31 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: District13

If you expect it in the afterlife, it means you agree with it. The lds only 'officially' dropped it to get statehood.

For example, Willard McBush WANTS polygamy in the afterlife. It makes him no different from practicing it NOW.

37 posted on 04/08/2013 3:27:30 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fishtank

Oh, please. Your graphic is just someone’s opinion. It is not Gospel. Anyway, many of the Old Testament men had more than one wife and Solomon - well, for a guy who was supposed to be so wise - you know.


38 posted on 04/08/2013 5:47:35 PM PDT by District13 (Obama scares me)
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To: Colofornian

placemark for reply.


39 posted on 04/09/2013 9:03:49 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Joseph Smith died in a gun battle. This is NOT a martyr's death!)
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To: District13; fishtank
Oh, please. Your graphic is just someone’s opinion.

An opinion? This graphic is a timeline of the direct line from Joseph Smith to Warren Jeffs.

Your "gospel" is full of lies.

40 posted on 04/09/2013 9:08:05 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Joseph Smith died in a gun battle. This is NOT a martyr's death!)
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To: District13

The bom doesn’t have a SINGLE historical fact in it.

Besides, the Bible NEVER codified, mandated or authorized polygamy.

NEVER.


41 posted on 04/09/2013 10:06:57 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: greyfoxx39

“This graphic is a timeline of the direct line from Joseph Smith to Warren Jeffs. Your ‘gospel’ is full of lies.”

Warren Jeffs is not a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. He is not a Mormon. Your “direct line” therefore is not valid.


42 posted on 04/09/2013 5:40:01 PM PDT by District13 (Obama scares me)
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