Skip to comments.Tragic: Pastor Rick Warren announces son's suicide to congregation
Posted on 04/06/2013 1:53:51 PM PDT by Pyro7480
Rick Warren, founder and senior pastor of Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, Calif., announced in a letter today that his son, Matthew, 27, committed suicide.
In his letter, Warren wrote that "after a fun evening together with [wife] Kay and me, in a momentary wave of despair at his home, he took his life." He also recalled a time years ago when Matthew asked him, "Dad, I know I'm going to heaven. Why can't I just die and end this pain?"
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Further reporting: Saddleback Church Says Rick Warren's Son Has Committed Suicide
Rick needs prayers to turn away from Satan. Rick is over the deep end.
How sad. Prayers for family.
God help us all.
I can only imagine the pain Pastor Rick Warren’s and his family is experiencing. My prayers for you and for them. May God give you peace.
“Rick needs prayers to turn away from Satan. Rick is over the deep end.
Why do people feel the need to post the first stupid thought that pops into their head when something tragic happens to someone else.
Show some compassion....
Very, very sad.
Prayers for his sweet soul and his family.
And the first stupid thing posted was what ?
did you read bmwcyle’s post?
Some much for compassion.
The surest quickest way to die and go to Heaven is to be killed for your Christian faith while professing that faith.
Suicide is very much counterproductive to that goal.
Compassion on the Internet. Al Gore, Internet’s inventor, is turning over in his grave!
I guess you should have put yours in “breaking news.”
I have lived with mild to severe depression for well over 10 years.
Thoughts of suicide are nothing new to me.
Slamming my car into a bridge at 120 mph.
Jumping from my 20th floor balcony.
My faith is the only thing that keeps me alive.
It’s best not to comment on the state of the Warrens’ hearts or home. Unless you’ve got cameras and microphones hidden throughout their house, you’re just guessing.
The most faithful Christian families get pounded spiritually. We would all be wise to let God be their judge.
Endorsing this whole Chrislam idea is the real problem going on here with Rick.
A guy I used to know and help is setting himself up as a public speaker, New Age type, has published two books, which I helped him edit, surprising myself by avoiding to judge their content while we were doing it, and he’s now a guru to help you with relationships, personal and business. Website, videos, national speaker’s bureau. When I knew him, not quite two years ago, and he was writing these books, or rather one book, that somehow gave birth to two books, he was going through serious family problems, foreign born wife with the typical for such women high expectations that he wasn’t able to meet, small child, small income. And now? Are those problems over? I hope so, but somehow I doubt it.
At times we forget to love ourselves. Keep your good faith and love yourself as God loves you.
so sad... someone who is suicidal is in such a dark, desperate, seemingly hopeless place... how scary to be the parent, spouse, child or sibling of a suicidal person... actually, any close relation to a suicidal person... obviously, suicide is an anomaly...
My prayers to the family. May their son rest in peace.
I will keep you in my prayers. Keep strong and stay close to God’s love.
“Dad, I know I’m going to heaven. Why can’t I just die and end this pain?”
Good lord. If my son said that to me, I would immediately get him help. I don’t care how much it costs. Yes his son was selfish and his parents lives are ruined most likely forever, but the Father should have known something was wrong. The guilt these parents are going to have is going to be tremendous. I pray for them.
“Slamming my car into a bridge at 120 mph.
Jumping from my 20th floor balcony.”
Whoah! Are you serious????
For some people it is the dichotomy between respect and humility.
I can imagine what Rick’s son was going through.
But we will never know for sure.
Having individual thoughts without the ability to express them or failed attempts to express them, can cut a man down.
Slamming my car into a bridge at 120 mph.
Jumping from my 20th floor balcony.
Whoah! Are you serious????
Not today, but, yes, I have been there a number of times.
May God comfort the family and have mercy on the son’s soul.
Bill sat down next to a blonde at the bar and stared up at the TV.
The 10 PM news was coming on. The news crew was covering the story of a man on the ledge of a large building, preparing to jump.
The blonde looked at Bill and said, “Do you think he’ll jump?”
Bill said, “You know, I bet he’ll jump.”
The blonde replied, “Well, I bet he won’t.”
Bill placed a $20 bill on the bar and said, “You’re on!”
Just as the blonde placed her money on the bar, the guy on the ledge did a swan dive off the building, falling to his death.
The blonde was very upset but willingly handed her $20 to Bill. “Fair’s fair. Here’s your money.”
Bill replied, “I can’t take your money. I saw this earlier on the 5 PM news, so I knew he would jump.”
The blonde replied, “I did too, but I didn’t think he’d do it again.”
Bill took the money.
Attention for a lonely man.
LOL - I gotta steal that one!
Keep your faith and stay close to God.
May God bless you, Zeneta.
Rick is playing with fire in attempting to convert Muslims unless he can clearly distinguish between Muslims who want to kill you and Muslims who want to be friends, but I haven’t seen anything personally that he is compromising his Christian beliefs or preaching anything against scripture at all.
I’ve been there, too and, like you, my faith in God kept me from doing something terribly wrong. I still have those dark thoughts but getting through them much better these daze.
Keep your faith and talk to others - just to vent is helpful.
We are all here for you.
I finally escaped that tyrrany in 1970 and never went back.
I understand the frustration. If it were not for our church library where I could check out Hardy Boys and Nancy Drew books to distract me during those seemingly endless and repetitive services, I would have gone insane.
Just a quick question/comment. When we are speaking or interacting directly with a fellow Believer concerning a possible error in our actions, this scripture makes sense assuming our comments are made privately, with respect and out of love (agape).
I am not aware that Pastor Warren is a member of FreeRepublic and suspect that if he is, he would be otherwise occupied with larger issues than reading this thread. When the individual is not present or we are not interacting directly with them, but instead are interacting with others, how would our comments differ from gossip?
This is merely a question, not an admonition.
Depression is a terrible thing. Anyone who has experienced it from time to time, or even worse, continuously, can attest to the helplessness and hopelessness of the experience. Nothing that anyone says seems to help.
So sad for the family which experiences such a loss. It’s like watching a loved one drown and not being able to rescue them.
Suicide is an awful thing, such finality in response to temporary problems. It’s also outside God’s will. It’s not our decision to make. I’m not going to condemn this young man personally, for who knows whether he was even capable of understanding what he did, or whether he was able to repent of it before he left this world? I surely don’t know. And, I’m sorry for the pain and sadness he left in his wake, for the family and friends who loved him.
Having watched Rick Warren for years, though, I’ll be waiting to see just when he begins trying to bend scripture to justify suicide and make it acceptable in the eyes of God. Truth appears to be a malleable thing based upon personal circumstance for Mr. Warren. I’m not sorry to say that this is utterly wrong, and if he preaches or publishes any such thing he will be leading souls not to salvation but to destruction.
Over the last year especially, me too. My wife left one year ago, then I got laid off. I was unable to perform up to my previous level, mostly due to the shock of her leaving, so I got a package. That is now gone, so I am cashing in some RRSPs to live on and pay bills (I think Stateside you call them IRAs). No job interviews yet and losing our house is a distinct possibility at 52 YoA. My former church closed in January. I pray that I do not experience a year like this again, nor would I wish it on anyone else, but I thank the Lord for this past year’s experience.
During this past year, my faith has grown deeply, sinking roots and turning rocky ground into fertile soil. We sometimes think that we have built our foundations on rock, but we can be easily mistaken. It is in the valley where we grow. Many scripture passages refer to the Lord passing us through a refining fire. Is it painful? Of course, trials (fire) are painful but we learn to appreciate the mountain-top only if we experience the valley. Our ‘instant gratification’ society does not understand, nor wish to understand trials. Most leftist/socialist voters (Democrat in US, Liberal & NDP in Canada) flee trials. Unfortunately, Pastor Warren’s son may have had emotion/mental issues and could not understand the ‘beauty’ of trials.
No matter what the challenge, hold on to Jesus! Remember, Peter walking on the Sea of Galilee? When he focused on Jesus, he could walk on the water, yet when he looked away, he sank. (Matthew 14:22-33, Mark 6:45-52, John 6:16-21) Keep your eyes on the Lord and watch Him do amazing things!
And exactly how do you know that Rick Warren didn’t do that? Are you all knowing that they did nothing to help their son? You are, as usual, just assuming. You know what that makes you, don’t you? An ass!
Lera, good post. Gutsy and true. I find myself compelled to pray for the soul of the young man who committed suicide, not for his dad, who presumably has spiritual resources within and around him to suffice -- he's a pastor of a huge church, for crying out loud! His son seems not to have had those spiritual resources of strength, the poor soul. May God find and comfort him, and any and all who contemplate suicide, and may Jesus take their hand and love them, save them at the last moment before their dying breath. Jesus is the one who saves.
Amen to that.
There's lots of false "answers" out there.
But God's Word and faith and have been the only real answers for me.
Someone on another thread posted this scripture as medicine for the soul...they said it kept them sane in the midst of depression:
Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; 2 Corinthians 10:5
Another good scripture to help keep one sane.
Another thread if anyone is interested in the comments thereon:
Then prove it to me big lady. Where your proof ditzy?
C’mon, if you know about Pastor Rick “going over to the Dark Side” you probably shouln’t be so hard on a fellow FReeper.
It wasn’t the time or place to make the comment.
From the link below:
"Unfortunately, he also suffered from mental illness resulting in deep depression and suicidal thoughts. Despite the best health care available, this was an illness that was never fully controlled and the emotional pain resulted in his decision to take his life." and
"Over the years, Matthew Warren had been treated by America's best doctors, had received counseling and medication and been the recipient of numerous prayers from others, his father said.
Still, he struggled over the years.
"I'll never forget how, many years ago, after another approach had failed to give relief, Matthew said `Dad, I know I'm going to heaven. Why can't I just die and end this pain?"' Warren recalled.
Another thread if anyone is interested in the comments thereon: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3004910/posts?
lol! Troublemaker. (I'm assuming you read all those comments.)