Skip to comments.Rick Warren’s Son Commits Suicide
Posted on 04/06/2013 2:20:59 PM PDT by Morgana
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You obviously do not read the word, or if you do, you may have attention problems.
Dude... you belong to a cult.
Why wasn’t the Apostle Paul’s affirmity healed?
I don’t worry about Obamacare.
The only times I go to doctors is when it is required by law for me to enter a job site.
Priests and pastors are no different than anyone else.
There will be plenty of priests and pastors that get to hear “I never knew you.”
Sanctification heals, not priests or pastors. Sanctification is a personal issue. There is no one between you and God but Yeshua.
I’m 53 years old. I’ve been in church all of my life. Teach etc. I’ve been on dozens of theology blogs etc. In all my years... you are the very first person who told me “by his stripes we are healed”... means we won’t get sick. So there you go... you got the record.
My heart goes out to him and my prayers are with him and his family. Losing a child is very, very painful, and even in the best circumstances there is the blame game, denial, and guilt to deal with. I pray that the Lord would hold them close and give them His strength, joy, love, hope, and peace - and an extra-real comprehension of what it means that Jesus conquered sin, death, and the devil.
I do not agree with you that a mortal can permanently rid himself of sin. There was only one perfect person who was without sin, and we hanged him on a cross. That is my belief, a belief that will not ever change, although I understand that you may not hold that same opinion.
Most think that recviting the sinners prayer does all that needs to be done. That simply is not so.
I'm sure that our personal beliefs about the plan of salvation must be very different, so again, I won't debate that with you (or anyone else here, for that matter).
I didn’t say that you won’t get sick; I said that we are healed by his stripes when we avail ourselves of it as offered in his word.
We all sin and sin brings disease. We have to constantly confess and repent, day by day, and moment by moment.
People who kill themselves are either in pain or terribly self-focused. They don’t care how their act hurts others. It’s all about them.
I tried it when I was 17. It was stupid of me. It’s the ultimate act of self-worship. Yeah, I know they have no hope for the future. I was there. But I should have been looking for hope.
I knew someone who did it because he went off his meds and thought he wanted to hurt his family. Everyone thought it was noble but I thought it was more noble to stay on the meds.
I hurt for the family but I also have anger for the son.
>> “I do not agree with you that a mortal can permanently rid himself of sin” <<
You’re reading something that isn’t there!
This is a day by day thing, as we do have a sinful nature that cannot go away until we are made incorruptible at his return.
We have to stick with it constantly.
>> “Works based physical healing?” <<
No, sin based confession and repentance.
Seriously... you should read the book of Romans a few times. Read it REAL slowly. :) Have a nice evening!
>> “I hurt for the family but I also have anger for the son.” <<
Yes, it likely was an act of revenge in a twisted way.
Finally! Something we can agree on!
“I cant stand Rick Warren, but I am sorry to hear of this loss.”
I don’t even know the guy myself only that he’s some Protestant preacher. Have no idea what he is famous for preaching. I do know that suicide touches every member of the family and can’t help but wonder if they did not see any warning signs.
So now confession of sin has become works?
You are incredibly confused.
Try 1John 1:9 again, huh?
Just saw this on the news a few minutes ago. Very sad development... many prayers up for strength and comfort for the Warren family. Nothing compares to the earth-shattering heartbreak of losing a child.
>> “Finally! Something we can agree on!” <<
I’m kind of foggy on just what we disagree on.
You’re not confessing sin for salvation. For your spiritual self. You’re confessing sin so you won’t get sick? Dude... are you serious? Answer my question... why wasn’t the Apostle Paul healed of his infirmity? He could heal others. He worked miracles. He was with the other apostles who healed others and worked miracles. Yet he suffered “sickness” his entire life. Why?
>> “Nothing compares to the earth-shattering heartbreak of losing a child.” <<
Let’s hope that this leads them to Yeshua.
>> “Youre confessing sin so you wont get sick?” <<
No, you’re already sick. Confess and repent to be healed!
Sin brings disease, and will do so until we either die, or Yeshua returns, and “we know as we are known.”
We all pray for good health. But we also (well most of us) realize that our physical self, our physical fallen self will not be restored until God raises us physically anew.
>> “ why wasnt the Apostle Paul healed of his infirmity?” <<
You’ll have to read Romans 7 again for the answer to that question.
So when do you plan on answering my question about Paul? It’s a simple question. Why wasn’t he healed of his affirmity?
Since you know it.. go ahead and tell me...
>> “But we also (well most of us) realize that our physical self, our physical fallen self will not be restored until God raises us physically anew.” <<
Stop the apples and oranges stuff!
Our sin nature will remain until we are made incorruptible, but our physical health is dependant on daily sanctification for that very reason.
“People who kill themselves are either in pain or terribly self-focused”
I am going to take Very much in pain for $500.
In fact mental illness like this goes so far down the rabbit hole that I don’t think it ever reaches the bottom with out hitting death in some cases.
To make matters worse the drugs they use to treat it often just make the person worse rather than better. I really don’t like anti depressent drugs and the way some docs pass them out like Pez. Yes I agree there are some that need medical treatment and we just can’t say to these people “you need Jesus” yes they need Jesus but they also need medial treatment in some cases. Mental illness is not cut and dry, and if not handled correctly you get what we have here.
You know... I apologize if I’ve argued to “aggressively”. You have a nice evening... We’ll have to agree to disagree on the topic. Take it easy!
How do you know that he wasn't talking to him about Jesus? Really, this condemnation of a man who has just lost a child and whose soul we really cannot know is very distasteful. It would be distasteful even if it happened to an atheist.
I’d much rather find a way to get you to see what I see (not to win an argument).
You're being awfully harsh on people who were damaged by childhood abuse, severe trauma in adulthood such as rape or beatings, or are combat veterans, for just three examples off the top of my head. It's easier to convince people that God's love is the answer if you demonstrate it, rather than sound like the Church Lady.
>> “You’re being awfully harsh on people who were damaged by childhood abuse, severe trauma in adulthood such as rape or beatings, or are combat veterans, for just three examples off the top of my head” <<
But that abuse is part of the problem; it leads to self hatred, which leads to so-called autoimmune diseases, which are healed by confessing that self hatred and it’s cause.
If we want his healing we have to do it his way; roll your own just doesn’t work.
could very well be.
This is what FR has become. It was always like that a little bit, but no more than you see it in the general population.
One of these days I'm going to post a thread entitled,
"Church-going Homosexual With Schizophrenia Who Stopped Taking His Zyprexa & Abilify Wants Forgiveness & Salvation, But He Thinks He's God. What Should I Tell Him?!"
Then I'm gonna go pop some popcorn.
Evangmlw-—thanks for a reasoned and articulate post. I agree with you that we are both physical and spiritual beings, and that prayer can heal. I also believe that God gave us medical healers ( many of whom are good and faithful Christians who have been blessed with gifts from God). Many of the modern medicines originally came from natural plants, etc in our environment.
Addiction is one area where spirituality is a definite need for healing. Medical attention may help, but the individual rarely can overcome this illness without turning to God for help. Even the psychiatrist, Carl Jung commented to one suffering addict, that in these extreme cases “only a spiritual intervention can help.”
You are so right....the family is very effected and often become “ill” with exhaustion, stress, or physical problems themselves. Autism and alzheimer’s is are also physical illness that affect the social and family areas.
It is cruel to somehow tell these families that it is their inadequacy that contributes when they are really struggling with a difficult family problem.
You are wicked! ha. LOL!
I often post my response to a) support those who are struggling with mental illness b) have a balanced discussion
I firmly believe that illnesses can benefit from BOTH medical help AND prayer.
We don't know what was in his mind as he breathed his last. He could have repented of his action, though it was too late to do anything about it.
I am of the belief that those who decide to take their own lives are not working with their full faculties, therefore I don't believe God would damn them fully for their actions. I believe in the idea of Purgatory, because I believe in a Merciful God. Some, at death, are not in full communion with the Lord, and are not prepared to look upon Him in His Glory. We, who still live, are encouraged to pray for those who might be in that state, needing to be cleansed of some minor sins, or even some major ones for which they hadn't fully repented. We pray for them to be cleansed so that they can, at last, be welcomed into the sight of God, and be able to look on Him.
“chemical imbalance” sells a lot of little pills for the Big Pharma, but it’s not necessarily the cause of depression by defecating teenage daughters. And the Big Pharma along with the Psychology Industry have made certain it is an article of faith among the uncultured, gullible public. When I went out an hour ago and bought a jar of gefelte fish on sale at the supermarket, that was c aused by a chemical reaction in the brain, true. But if mental health is a “chemical imbalance” then everything we do and think is as well. Chemical imbalance happens when an illegal immigrant factory worker pees into a batch of tabasco sauce as a revenge against la migra!
If you knew about Rick’s teaching you would know who he is- also where in the statement did he talk about Jesus?
I know how to read.
The Bible says to judge what is wrong... and false teachings. If that offends you, that is about you, not me.
I never said that it was not sad. We can pray all we want for atheists and feel terrible about it, but that isn’t going to save them.
I heard on the news that this son has suffered from depression for years and has previously tried suicide. In most cases, and especially this one, if a chronically-suicidal person makes up his mind to do it, there is NOTHING anyone can do to stop it. Eventually, he will be successful. It is heart-wrenching for family members and friends who try to help but cannot.
Public speculation that comes anywhere close to insinuating that someone could/should have "seen the warning signs so they could stop it" are extremely hurtful to this man's family, as well as anyone reading it who is a suicide survivor (family member/friend).
Just so you know.
Prayer is great, but God doesn’t rule by democracy- and he doesn’t answer the prayers of people who don’t follow Him.
He isn’t an ATM.
We are all sinners..and if we make the effort to follow Christ, Christ has mercy and His grace will help us to make the changes we need to make.
A lot of times people who do these “Fox hole” prayers , eventually come around and are pulled—attracted to the Christian way.
OK; now we're getting somewhere. Earlier you posted that it might take some people a long time. So what if someone kills him or herself before the lengthy time required for healing their individual sin is enough to keep them from accomplishing it on earth? Would God condemn their soul? I just don't think it's necessarily so, and I'm speaking as one who has experienced four friends who took this route. Trust me when I tell you, I have been over and over these deaths and the spiritual issues again and again for decades.
Yes, God and surrender to faith can heal. But no, we just can't say that the person who wasn't "done yet" when he took his/her life to end the pain has utterly failed spiritually; or that this is a black-and-white matter like a light switch.
Judgment is mine, saith the Lord.
Ain't it the sad truth. Good thing he wasn't a *gasp* Mormon! Then they'd really be crawling out of the woodwork.
Thread hijack attempt ALERT!
Oh exactly- I agree. We are told to expect that we will be brought to our knees and cry out to God. I agree.
But the people who mouth prayers- and pay no respect to the teachings of Jesus, are simply paying lip service.
Rick Warren, for example, can pray for whatever he wants to pray for- but those prayers are going to fall flat.
Because he blasphemes the Lord all of the time- while he spreads false hope and teachings and reaps huge praise and benefits.
The Lord is not mocked.
And I pray Rick Warren repents and falls to his knees and cries out- to the Lord and repents and turns toward God.
And God will hear him and forgive him. No doubt. But he has to take the steps everyone else has to take.
I am not going to lie about it.