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To: Colofornian

Is there any other church on earth that has a governing body that is more secretive than the LDS?

The Catholic church doesn’t govern this way and I know of no protestant church that does. Why all the secrecy and not allowing any church member freedom to speak freely about the very foundation of their beliefs?

Joeseph Smith was a big fat fraud. Most of us knew that all along.


27 posted on 04/09/2013 8:31:09 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: Graybeard58

Is there any other church on earth that has a governing body that is more secretive than the LDS?

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The governing body of the Holy Catholic Church recently met in The Vatican behind LOCKED DOORS. And you say the Mormons are secretive.

The Catholic church claims to be the holders of the keys that Peter the chief Apostle of Jesus Christ. The Catholic Church excommunicated Martin Luther yet descendants of the Church of Martin Luther claim authority because of their link to him.

Either the Catholic Church is right and the rightful heir to the Apostolic office and no other church has a leg to stand on and are all “an abomination” as the Mormons say OR The Catholic Church went astray and none of the churches have a leg to stand on and are all “an Abomination” just like the Catholics are accused of being. If number two is true then the LDS have as much right to their church and beliefs being right as anyone else because if the Protestants are right about the Catholics then none of them have any AUTHORITY to settle the issue. In that case all doctrine disputes must be settled by the Scriptures, oh that is what we have isn’t it. Since everybody gets something different from the Scriptures from everybody else I would say I hope the Catholics are right or there is no right unless the Mormons are right.

Joseph Smith taught that “all were an abomination”. Since the Protestant churches taught that the Catholic Church was “an abomination” and started their own churches in its stead how can they now say that the Catholic church is OK? If the Catholic Church is OK then the Protestants are blasphemers and cultists. If all the rest of you say the Catholic Church went astray then only God can set it straight. When did that happen?

Did God have sex with Mary? Apparently someone did. The record of God in the scripture says the Holy Ghost came upon her and she conceived. For anybody to say they know what that means is silly. All we know is that something happened between God (The Holy Ghost) and Mary according to the scriptures. I don’t care if it was sex or artificial insemination, she knew no MAN and was a virgin. Something transpired between God and Mary, the scriptures make that very clear.

I know a lot of Mormons. The stuff in this post is just silliness, especially as related to Bednar. His sons are very active with callings in Their Church and they support their father, I’ve met them. One of them goes to church in the same building with my wife and has introduced himself to me and spoken to me on numerous occasions, the other I only met once.

You may not believe what the Mormons believe, thats ok they may not believe what you believe, but, they believe the Joseph Smith story of the first vision and all the doctrines presented by The Church.

Just like any other church there are members that were raised in The Church but are not believers. They are what is called “in-active”. Some of them hate it that they are not respected by the active members and look for ways to hurt The Church so they can feel better about their inactivity. Just like queers that want to be married they don’t like feeling like outsiders who are looked down upon.

Any time I see writing by an ex-Mormon I know that that is a “disaffected” Mormon, someone who has an ax to grind. If you hate the Mormons just say you hate them. If you love your Baptist Church just tell us you love your Baptist Church and why.

Anybody that won’t put their name to a document that accuses an organization they are still a member of is despicable, the last thing I would do is listen to someone so dishonest that they still claim membership in something they claim is evil. If that is true then they are worse than the organization they belong to.

Just my two cents.


28 posted on 04/09/2013 9:21:04 PM PDT by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: Graybeard58

Is there any other church on earth that has a governing body that is more secretive than the LDS?

________________________________________________________

The governing body of the Holy Catholic Church recently met in The Vatican behind LOCKED DOORS. And you say the Mormons are secretive.

The Catholic church claims to be the holders of the keys that Peter the chief Apostle of Jesus Christ. The Catholic Church excommunicated Martin Luther yet descendants of the Church of Martin Luther claim authority because of their link to him.

Either the Catholic Church is right and the rightful heir to the Apostolic office and no other church has a leg to stand on and are all “an abomination” as the Mormons say OR The Catholic Church went astray and none of the churches have a leg to stand on and are all “an Abomination” just like the Catholics are accused of being. If number two is true then the LDS have as much right to their church and beliefs being right as anyone else because if the Protestants are right about the Catholics then none of them have any AUTHORITY to settle the issue. In that case all doctrine disputes must be settled by the Scriptures, oh that is what we have isn’t it. Since everybody gets something different from the Scriptures from everybody else I would say I hope the Catholics are right or there is no right unless the Mormons are right.

Joseph Smith taught that “all were an abomination”. Since the Protestant churches taught that the Catholic Church was “an abomination” and started their own churches in its stead how can they now say that the Catholic church is OK? If the Catholic Church is OK then the Protestants are blasphemers and cultists. If all the rest of you say the Catholic Church went astray then only God can set it straight. When did that happen?

Did God have sex with Mary? Apparently someone did. The record of God in the scripture says the Holy Ghost came upon her and she conceived. For anybody to say they know what that means is silly. All we know is that something happened between God (The Holy Ghost) and Mary according to the scriptures. I don’t care if it was sex or artificial insemination, she knew no MAN and was a virgin. Something transpired between God and Mary, the scriptures make that very clear.

I know a lot of Mormons. The stuff in this post is just silliness, especially as related to Bednar. His sons are very active with callings in Their Church and they support their father, I’ve met them. One of them goes to church in the same building with my wife and has introduced himself to me and spoken to me on numerous occasions, the other I only met once.

You may not believe what the Mormons believe, thats ok they may not believe what you believe, but, they believe the Joseph Smith story of the first vision and all the doctrines presented by The Church.

Just like any other church there are members that were raised in The Church but are not believers. They are what is called “in-active”. Some of them hate it that they are not respected by the active members and look for ways to hurt The Church so they can feel better about their inactivity. Just like queers that want to be married they don’t like feeling like outsiders who are looked down upon.

Any time I see writing by an ex-Mormon I know that that is a “disaffected” Mormon, someone who has an ax to grind. If you hate the Mormons just say you hate them. If you love your Baptist Church just tell us you love your Baptist Church and why.

Anybody that won’t put their name to a document that accuses an organization they are still a member of is despicable, the last thing I would do is listen to someone so dishonest that they still claim membership in something they claim is evil. If that is true then they are worse than the organization they belong to.

Just my two cents.


29 posted on 04/09/2013 9:23:48 PM PDT by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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