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King Herod is Undergoing an Odd Reinvention
The Catholic Herald (UK) ^ | 4/12/13 | Jill Duchess of Hamilton

Posted on 04/12/2013 7:26:15 AM PDT by marshmallow

Curators of a blockbuster exhibition have sought to sanitise his reputation

Herod has become a new Jewish super-hero in Jerusalem. This elevation, which has come about since the unearthing of his tomb in 2007, comes as a shock for most Christians. Most of us are horrified by Matthew’s account in the New Testament, which tells how this tyrannical king, fearful of a competitor after the birth of Jesus, ordered the Massacre of the Innocents. A large number of Jews have reviled him for other reasons – for collaborating with the Romans and the murder of his Jewish wife, Marianne, his two half-Jewish sons, plus a great many rabbis.

Resentment against him was also caused by this king’s ancestry. According to one synagogue-attending friend: “Herod was Arab by descent. His mother was a Nabatean from Petra, now part of Jordan. His father was from southern Palestine, an Edomite who converted to Judaism.”

But the new appreciation of Herod is clear to see. First, plans were announced last January for a monumental replica of his tomb at Herodium, the arid hilltop in the West Bank, where he had been buried in 4 BC. This proposed 75ft high construction, part of the Israeli Prime Minister’s Office of National Heritage Sites Project, would be as lofty as an eight-storey building and visible from Jerusalem. Objections are presently being assessed.

Second, the exhibition Herod the Great: The King’s Final Journey at the Israel Museum in Jerusalem is drawing such crowds that I had to queue on the two occasions I visited it. The quarter of an acre of fascinating exhibits includes finds from Jerusalem, Herodium and Jericho, including the masonry and sarcophagus thought to have contained the royal body. There are some 30 tons of material and 250 artefacts from Herodium alone, plus much from Jericho.....

(Excerpt) Read more at catholicherald.co.uk ...


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1 posted on 04/12/2013 7:26:15 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+12:21-23&version=KJV

Acts 12:21-23 King James Version (KJV)

21 And upon a set day Herod, arrayed in royal apparel, sat upon his throne, and made an oration unto them.

22 And the people gave a shout, saying, It is the voice of a god, and not of a man.

23 And immediately the angel of the Lord smote him, because he gave not God the glory: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost.


America has its own Herod, now.


2 posted on 04/12/2013 7:33:46 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: marshmallow

The killing of innocent babies by Herod is considered a great accomplishment by today’s liberals.


3 posted on 04/12/2013 7:37:24 AM PDT by detective
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To: marshmallow

He’s a fascinating despot, but he was a vile guy, and I don’t know of any Israelis who like him -— other than as a significant part of out history.

He was a fake convert.
He persecuted faithful Jews.
He was a puppet of Rome at times and then a stupid opposer at others.
He was a murderer.

In fact, on one point Jewish people and Christians of 2,000 years ago agreed was he was an animal for his murder of John, called “John the Baptist” by Christians, and was punished by this murder by the defeat of his armies.


4 posted on 04/12/2013 7:38:08 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: marshmallow

Arise, shine; for Thy light has come. Isaiah 60:1


5 posted on 04/12/2013 7:40:08 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever ((Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!))
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To: F15Eagle

The “Herod” in Acts 12 is Herod Agrippa, the grandson of Herod the Great.


6 posted on 04/12/2013 7:40:11 AM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: Campion

Thanks for the reminder


7 posted on 04/12/2013 7:43:42 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Jewbacca
his murder of John, called “John the Baptist”. . . .

That would be Herod Antipas, tetrarch of Galilee, son of King Herod the Great. There are several "Herods" mentioned in the NT, all from the same family, all bad guys.

8 posted on 04/12/2013 7:44:14 AM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Lutheran pastor, LCMS)
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To: Campion

I should say America has its own Herod Agrippa, now.

One that accepts worship as a “god”.


9 posted on 04/12/2013 7:44:51 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: F15Eagle

Different Herod, but point well taken.


10 posted on 04/12/2013 7:54:10 AM PDT by dangus (Poverty cannot be eradicated as long as the poor remain dependent on the state - Pope Francis)
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To: F15Eagle

Sorry to pile on. Nevermind.


11 posted on 04/12/2013 7:55:02 AM PDT by dangus (Poverty cannot be eradicated as long as the poor remain dependent on the state - Pope Francis)
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To: Charles Henrickson

Ah, as you could guess, my knowledge of Christianity is exceedingly weak, except for I can spot American Baptist Tourists in wine country because they drink when touring alone/with their family and don’t drink when in packs.


12 posted on 04/12/2013 7:56:30 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: dangus

No problem

;)


13 posted on 04/12/2013 7:58:03 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: marshmallow

As to the baby killing thing, I believe it is a kings right to decide what to do with his bodies. /sarcasm


14 posted on 04/12/2013 8:02:37 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Jewbacca

....Yet he was called “great”. Go figure.


15 posted on 04/12/2013 8:09:13 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: marshmallow

Bible Archaeology Review magazine has a nice treatment of Ehud Netzer’s discovery of Harod’s tomb at Herodium. Nov 14, 2011 issue:

http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/news/in-search-of-herod%E2%80%99s-tomb/

More BAR articles:
http://tinyurl.com/BAR-search-Harod-Tomb

Google Maps location of Herodium / Herodyon:
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=31.665692,35.241344&num=1&t=h&z=15


16 posted on 04/12/2013 8:17:51 AM PDT by mbarker12474 (If thine enemy offend thee, give his childe a drum.)
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To: Jewbacca

Better to be Herod’s pig than his subject, other than that he was a great guy.


17 posted on 04/12/2013 8:20:07 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: marshmallow
tyrannical king, fearful of a competitor after the birth of Jesus, ordered the Massacre of the Innocents.

Sounds like today's LIBERALS...

Today's Herrod is King Obamo the Marxist

Today's Massacre of Innocents is ABORTION... which killed more than Herrod did!!

18 posted on 04/12/2013 8:34:22 AM PDT by ExCTCitizen
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To: F15Eagle

Wrong! Relative to what we have Herod was great.


19 posted on 04/12/2013 8:39:05 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: marshmallow

Franco Zeffirelli’s depiction of the Killing of the Innocents still brings tears to my eyes. The scene with the Palace Soldier chasing the mother carrying her baby son is horrifying.


20 posted on 04/12/2013 8:41:30 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Fighting Obama without Boehner & McConnell is like going deer hunting without your accordion)
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To: marshmallow

Say what you want about Herod there’s still ONLY 2 “Greats” in the bible, Herod and Cyrus...

...and that’s the way it is.


21 posted on 04/12/2013 8:45:35 AM PDT by exPBRrat
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To: detective
The killing of innocent babies by Herod is considered a great accomplishment by today’s liberals.

The media wouldn't even report it, unless he used an "assault weapon" to do it.

22 posted on 04/12/2013 8:49:56 AM PDT by kevkrom (If a wise man has an argument with a foolish man, the fool only rages or laughs...)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

lol


23 posted on 04/12/2013 9:14:36 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: marshmallow

In all fairness, the historical accounts of Herod are very complex, and very mixed as far as “good” or “bad” for Israel. This is not unexpected, as he reigned for a very long time, by the standards of the time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod_the_great

If you read his biography, there are any number of intrigues, alliances and animosities, and the histories of the period are anything but accurate, filled with obvious bias and character assassination, all around.

And remember, this was a very small place in a very large empire. Christianity was formative, so few at the time even took notice of it, as such.

Even a profound incident, such as the slaughter of the innocents, based on the population at the time, was likely to have been 20 or fewer total babies. This at a time when wholesale butchery ordered by kings was not uncommon.

In any event, it will be interesting to all to see what the archaeologists discover.


24 posted on 04/12/2013 9:19:26 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: detective

Today’s Demoncrat party is moving towards his accomplishment of port-birth abortion in the 4th, 5th, 6th, and further trimesters!

Although today’s numbers dwarf Herod’s murders.


25 posted on 04/12/2013 9:22:42 AM PDT by ro_dreaming (G.K. Chesterton, “Christianity has not been tried and found wanting. It’s been found hard and lef)
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To: marshmallow
Well, we have Herod, King of The Jews, as declared by the Roman Senate and we have Jesus King of the Jews, and we have Bar Abbas, son of the Father, and we have Jesus, Son of the Father, and far too many in the crowd side with the wrong man at, seemingly, the right time.
26 posted on 04/12/2013 10:35:38 AM PDT by Vermont Crank (Invisible yet are signs of the force of Tradition that'll act upon our inertia into Indifferentism)
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To: count-your-change

The ancient Greek pun is actually better his pig than his son (he killed most of his sons).


27 posted on 04/12/2013 12:37:21 PM PDT by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: count-your-change

BTW—the pun was first made by Caesar Augustus upon hearing that Herod had executed another of his sons.


28 posted on 04/12/2013 12:42:13 PM PDT by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: marshmallow

What am I missing here? If this Herod was the same King Herod who was responsible for the slaughter of the Holy Innocents, how could he have been buried 4 years before the birth of Christ? It seems to me that he would have had to have died some time in AD? Maybe I’m just confused about the events, and if so, I’d hope you could clear it up for me. Perhaps the tomb that was uncovered was that of his father, who was also a Herod.


29 posted on 04/12/2013 3:33:29 PM PDT by tomsbartoo (confused)
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To: Hieronymus

How do you expect me to know that? It happened before I was born.


30 posted on 04/12/2013 5:55:08 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: Jewbacca
He was not "Arab" -- true "Arabs" as we know them today are those from the Nejd. his father was Edomite -- just as semitic as Jews or "arabs" :), but they were forcibly converted by John Hyracanus Maccabee in the 2nd century BC, so at least Herod's grandfather was a practising Jew. His mother too -- Nabateans had adopted Judaism in the wake of the Maccabbean kingdom.

You can't call him a fake convert as he didn't convert but was born into Judaism. Arguably, of course, he was not a believing Jew by any means

31 posted on 04/12/2013 7:02:43 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: count-your-change

Even if you had been alive at the time, unless you knew Greek the precise phrasing wasn’t that funny. Of course, when you’re Caesar, everyone laughs at your jokes anyway, so it wouldn’t really have mattered at the time.


32 posted on 04/12/2013 7:35:15 PM PDT by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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“First, plans were announced last January for a monumental replica of his tomb at Herodium, the arid hilltop in the West Bank, where he had been buried in 4 BC. This proposed 75ft high construction, part of the Israeli Prime Minister’s Office of National Heritage Sites Project, would be as lofty as an eight-storey building and visible from Jerusalem.”

In the name of ecumenism and interreligious dialogue, I’m pretty sure Rome will send a representative. Perhaps they’ll pull the apostate, Cardinal Kasper, out of retirement. After all, Kasper questions the Resurrection of Christ.


33 posted on 04/12/2013 7:43:01 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: Hieronymus

Indeed.


34 posted on 04/12/2013 7:46:22 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: Cronos

Not sure where you are getting I said he was an arab.

Not a Jew, by all reliable accounts.


35 posted on 04/14/2013 2:51:30 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Jewbacca
my apologies -- the bit about him being an Arab was in the article, not in your post.

But do note that the Western Wall is part of the temple complex that Herod rebuilt. He put up an external show of piety in order to cement his position as King of the Jews (it didn't seem to work then or now...)

It is kind of ironic that the Maccabbees forcibly converted the Idumeans and then one of the Idumeans overthrew the Maccabees

It's also ironic that the Idumeans as a nation died in the defence of Jerusalem in 69 AD

36 posted on 04/14/2013 10:53:16 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: Cronos

He did build some nice buildings, like all really good dictators.

Herod, Stalin, Hitler, FDR, Obama like government buildings.

Of course, like most dictators, he was a Keneysian (sp?) government spender as his prefered form of economic control. Herod taxed hard and gave special contracts to favorable crafts (literally trade unions of the day).

Re: the Maccabeans, they started off awesome and then went to Hell. People are like that, absent G-d. Even Jews. Or perhaps, especially Jews.

We Jews, as a people, have a dangerous vacuum that is designed to be filled with G-d, and when we reject it, we go bad in the most spectacular ways, probably worse that any people in the world.*

* I opined that in a Chabad Center, and they agreed with me. I opined that in a JCC and was accused of “being a f-—ing Israeli.”


37 posted on 04/15/2013 8:42:58 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Jewbacca
We Jews, as a people, have a dangerous vacuum that is designed to be filled with G-d, and when we reject it, we go bad in the most spectacular ways, probably worse that any people in the world.*

i would challenge that "probably worse" -- there were bad Jews, but in the past 200 I can only think of Trotsky (Marx wasn't a Jew -- he was only genetically on his father's side and his father had converted) and Trotsky, for all the evil that he did in co-opting the Tsarist army to the Bolshevik cause, was not a monster in the same mold as Stalin...

38 posted on 04/15/2013 9:09:15 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: Cronos

Kaganovich.


39 posted on 04/15/2013 9:13:58 PM PDT by narses
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