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Bishop Contradicts Archbishop, Says Same-Sex Marriage Supporters Should Receive Communion
Catholic Culture ^ | 4/12/13

Posted on 04/12/2013 4:42:39 PM PDT by marshmallow

A retired auxiliary bishop in Detroit has told supporters of same-sex marriage that they should continue receiving Communion, directly contradicting a statement by Archbishop Allen Vigneron.

“Don’t stop going to Communion. You’re okay,” Bishop Thomas Gumbleton advised proponents of gay marriage. He was speaking just days after Archbishop Vigneron had said that Catholics who disagree with the Church on the definition of marriage should refrain from Communion. The archbishop had said that receiving Communion while being in fundamental disagreement with the Church “would result in publicly renouncing one's integrity and logically bring shame for a double-dealing that is not unlike perjury."

Catholic bishop to gay marriage supporters: Keep communing (Fox)

Supporters of same-sex marriage should not receive Communion: Detroit archbishop (CWN)

(Excerpt) Read more at catholicculture.org ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues; Theology
KEYWORDS: cino; gumbleton; homosexualagenda

1 posted on 04/12/2013 4:42:39 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

Pope needs to have a word with fools like this and take them back to Rome or kick them out of the church


2 posted on 04/12/2013 4:45:26 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: marshmallow
"The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, bishops against bishops. The priests who venerate me will be scorned and opposed by their confreres...churches and altars sacked; the Church will be full of those who accept compromises and the demon will press many priests and consecrated souls to leave the service of the Lord."

The Blessed Virgin Mary to Sr. Agnes Sasagawa; October 13, 1973; Akita, Japan.

3 posted on 04/12/2013 4:46:23 PM PDT by Pyro7480 (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: marshmallow
++Vigneron should Mahony +Gumbleton
4 posted on 04/12/2013 4:47:40 PM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: marshmallow

Guy is retired, so not much they can do in terms of demotion, but he himself should now be denied communion.


5 posted on 04/12/2013 4:48:27 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: marshmallow

Sounds like someone needs a reassignment to a nice quiet windowless cell in a very remote and devout Monastery.


6 posted on 04/12/2013 4:49:25 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Pyro7480
I was just about to search that quote... It's indeed happening, right now!!

And from the same apparition:
As I told you, if men do not repent and better themselves, the Father will inflict a terrible punishment on all humanity. It will be a punishment greater than the deluge, such as one will never seen before. Fire will fall from the sky and will wipe out a great part of humanity, the good as well as the bad, sparing neither priests nor faithful. The survivors will find themselves so desolate that they will envy the dead. The only arms which will remain for you will be the Rosary and the Sign left by My Son. Each day recite the prayers of the Rosary. With the Rosary, pray for the Pope, the bishops and priests.

7 posted on 04/12/2013 4:54:23 PM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: marshmallow
Gumbleton.

How few people remember that Holy Communion is the only Sacrament that comes to us with both a blessing and an explicit curse:

1 Corinthians 11:27
Therefore whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord.

"Guilty of the body and blood of the Lord." Blood guilt for the unworthy reception of this Sacrament.

And what does (retired) Bishop Gumbleton say?

"Hey, no big deal."

Lord, have mercy on us all.

8 posted on 04/12/2013 5:09:13 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("He will come on that Day to judge the living and the dead, and the earth by fire.")
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To: marshmallow

Gumbleton is a familiar name from the days when the dissident bishops were riding high.

He favored gay priests and bishops and once appeared at Mass wearing a mitre “on which were symbols of the cross, a rainbow and a pink triangle.” (Wikipedia)

Evidently his brother came out of the closet, but I always suspected that Gumbleton himself was part of the gay mafia that infested the Church in America at that time.

He has no authority to teach Catholics anything. But regrettably he will be used by the mass media—as he was in the old day—to confuse as many Catholics as possible.


9 posted on 04/12/2013 5:13:05 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Viennacon

Exactly. He is fomenting schism.


10 posted on 04/12/2013 5:14:19 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: marshmallow

Sounds like this guy was a radical priest who got promoted due to the Peter principle (and I don’t mean “Saint Peter”.) Gumbleton’s Sunday homilies from St Leo’s parish are documented by the *National Catholic Reporter*, where he also wrote a regular column. NCR is so anti-Catholic that it has been asked to no longer call itself “Catholic”. It has refused.

“Gumbleton founded the Michigan Coalition for Human Rights in December 1980 with former Episcopal Bishop Harry Coleman McGehee, Jr. and Rabbi Richard Hertz.”

“We wanted a forum to discuss and act on racism, unemployment, sexism, militarism, and economic justice. Our core group of religious leaders contacted other religious, labor, community and business leaders from Detroit and the suburbs and decided to organize themselves.”

“MCHR continued to work and its sponsorship of Detroit’s first environmental justice gathering in 1994 developed into the Coalition for Environmental Justice. A conference on sanctions against Iraq led to the creation of Metro Detroit Against Sanctions (MDAS), one of the leading national groups challenging U.S. policy against Iraq.”

He is also a member of the following organizations:

Call to Action
Detroit Catholic Pastoral Alliance
Institute for Public Accuracy
Pastors for Peace
Nevada Desert Experience
New Ways Ministry
SHARE Foundation (El Salvador)
Equality Michigan


11 posted on 04/12/2013 5:21:39 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: manc

Once Biden and Pelosi were able to take communion at the Papal mass at The Vatican, what should one expect?


12 posted on 04/12/2013 5:23:12 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: marshmallow
“Don’t stop going to Communion. You’re okay,” Bishop Thomas Gumbleton advised proponents of gay marriage.

LOL!!! This flaming member of the lavender mafia fools no one.

God have mercy on his soul.

13 posted on 04/12/2013 5:31:36 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: onedoug

That is what I thought, when the most prominent Catholics in America, who also lead the pro-same sex marriage/abortion party in America, which wins the majority of Catholic votes in America, can go to the Vatican itself and receive communion only weeks ago to celebrate the new Pope, then the outrage is a little hard to believe, in fact all the related theatrics of this that we have watched for our entire lives lack credibility, we have been reading this story or one like it for decades and decades.


14 posted on 04/12/2013 5:31:49 PM PDT by ansel12 (The lefts most effective quote-I'm libertarian on social issues, but conservative on economics.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Sounds like this guy was a radical

Still is a radical -here is an article about him:

Bishop Gumbleton: gays "make love more humanely"

15 posted on 04/12/2013 5:36:05 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: marshmallow

I’ve read something about eating and drinking judgement upon yourself. Now where was that?...


16 posted on 04/12/2013 5:39:08 PM PDT by vpintheak (Occupy your Mind!)
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To: Cicero
He has no authority to teach Catholics anything. But regrettably he will be used by the mass media—as he was in the old day—to confuse as many Catholics as possible.

And the pro-LGBT Catholics will trumpet his nonsense far and wide.

17 posted on 04/12/2013 5:46:04 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: marshmallow

Does anyone really think these low level Progressives that are alleged Catholics will really “refrain” from communion? Their very existences are based upon lies and deception ... why would they change because of a “suggestion”?


18 posted on 04/12/2013 5:48:58 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Who you gonna believe .... your lying eyes or the Bureau of Lies & Statistics?)
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To: markomalley; marshmallow

Rome Forces Homosexual Activist Bishop Gumbleton to Resign
BY LIFESITENEWS.COM
Thu Jan 26, 2006

By Gudrun Schultz

DETROIT, Michigan, January 26, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Auxiliary Bishop Thomas Gumbleton, who is known as an activist for homosexuality in the Church, has handed in his resignation to the Vatican. Pope Benedict XVI is expected to announce the resignation today.

Bishop Gumbleton resisted mandatory retirement last year when he reached the age of 75, asking to continue on as Auxiliary Bishop to Detroit Cardinal Adam Maida. His request, given to the head of the Congregation for Bishops, Cardinal Giovanni Re, was denied.

“Some time ago he indicated that my request to defer my resignation was not acceptable,” Bishop Gumbleton said in an open letter to his parishioners at St. Leo’s Church.

Bishop Gumbleton has spent his years of spiritual authority in the Catholic Church working to promote the homosexual lifestyle. He is affiliated with numerous gay activist organizations such as the Triangle Foundation, the Rainbow Sash Movement, and New Ways Ministry, SHARE, and Call to Action. In 1995 he received the Call to Action leadership award.

He has been a prolific speaker and writer on the subject of homosexual acceptance in the Church, openly challenging the Church’s teaching that homosexual activity is “intrinsically disordered.”

Speaking to a conference for New Ways Ministry, a psuedo-Catholic movement that has been banned by the Church for openly promoting homosexual behavior, Bishop Gumbleton once outlined his position on homosexuality:

“…homosexual people are not disordered people. They are psychologically healthy people. ... Homosexuals are as healthy as anyone else.”

Bishop Gumbleton has recently been campaigning against the Vatican’s direction that homosexual men should not be admitted to the priesthood. Gumbleton revealed earlier this month that 60 years ago, as a teenager, he was sexually molested by a Catholic priest. He has called for legislative changes that would allow time-sensitive allegations of priestly abuse come to trial, a suggestion that has triggered intensive controversy.

Gumbleton maintains that his work as a Bishop will continue, despite having retirement forced on him. It is not clear, however, if Cardinal Maida will allow him to remain in his position as pastor to St. Leo’s Church. Archdiocesan spokesman Ned McGrath suggested Cardinal Maida would raise major questions over Bishop Gumbleton’s history of activism, according to the Detroit Free Press.


19 posted on 04/12/2013 6:00:03 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: ansel12
when the most prominent(sic) Catholics in America,

Heretics are notorious not prominent. You'd be well served to take an elementary vocabulary class and learn the meaning of the words you attempt to use.

20 posted on 04/12/2013 10:56:54 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Websters will do, “”readily noticeable : conspicuous. b : widely and popularly known “”

Sane people would call the Vice-President of the United States and the ex-Speaker of the House who is now Minority Leader, and both well known Catholics and who just took communion at the Vatican prominent.

You’d be well served to take an elementary vocabulary class and learn the meaning of the words you attempt to twist into some kind of self serving gibberish.


21 posted on 04/12/2013 11:05:08 PM PDT by ansel12 (The lefts most effective quote-I'm libertarian on social issues, but conservative on economics.)
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To: manc
Pope needs to have a word with fools like this and take them back to Rome or kick them out of the church

I suspect if your pope kicked out all the clergy who believed this, your religion would die a quick death...I suppose your popes have to allow this to continue to hold onto power...

22 posted on 04/12/2013 11:27:38 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Mrs. Don-o
"Guilty of the body and blood of the Lord." Blood guilt for the unworthy reception of this Sacrament.

What's that mean???

23 posted on 04/12/2013 11:31:19 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool
I suspect if your pope kicked out all the clergy who believed this, your religion would die a quick death...I suppose your popes have to allow this to continue to hold onto power...

I may have only suspected you had no idea about what the Church does, has done, and is doing regarding the homosexual pervert topic specifically and the leftist scourge that attacks not only the Church but all good institutions in general.

You is not cool -I suggest you ask questions rather than continue making an ass of yourself.

24 posted on 04/13/2013 12:03:57 AM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: marshmallow
Bishop....you are putting a MILLSTONE around your neck by telling them they are OK!!

Just guessing that HE is GAY.

25 posted on 04/13/2013 2:36:45 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
The heretics were prominent enough at the Papal Mass.

It was a preeminent opportunity for the Pope to establish his seriousness on the issuance of communion to those KNOWN to be at variance with Church policy.

But he didn't.

He consciously allowed the apostasy to go forward, thus signaling his OWN COMPLICITY in its continuance.

It's difficult to assess exactly, how Catholicism is going to be able to crawl out of this hole when the Pope himself is digging it ever deeper.

26 posted on 04/13/2013 7:42:44 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: marshmallow

wo you think gumbleton is retired and an ex-auxiliary bishop?

He will wish that he never opened his mouth.


27 posted on 04/13/2013 8:28:52 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Iscool

It means they are in the worst kind of spiritual trouble. They will be condemned for their unworthy reception, for “not discerning the Body.”


28 posted on 04/13/2013 10:11:46 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (" If they refuse to listen even to the Church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.")
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