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John Piper on Homosexuality
The Aquila Report ^ | 4-14-13 | John Piper

Posted on 04/14/2013 2:12:39 PM PDT by ReformationFan

A thoughtful pastor’s teaching on what the Apostle Paul says about homosexual behavior in his letter to the Romans

Homosexuality is the most vivid form of that breakdown. God and man in covenant worship are represented by male and female in covenant sexual union. Therefore, when man turns from God to images of himself, God hands us over to what we have chosen and dramatizes it by male and female turning to images of themselves for sexual union, namely their own sex. Homosexuality is the judgment of God dramatizing the exchange of the glory of God for images of ourselves.

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TOPICS: Current Events; Evangelical Christian; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: bible; homosexualagenda; johnpiper; piper; piperhomosexuality; romans

1 posted on 04/14/2013 2:12:39 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan

BTTT.


2 posted on 04/14/2013 2:34:21 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,)
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To: ReformationFan

A good read - we need more old time preaching. That said it seems common sense to me that you wouldn’t let your children play in a sewer you would direct them to play in an appropriate playground.

Mel


3 posted on 04/14/2013 2:36:04 PM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong....)
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To: ReformationFan

I assume the same applies when one spouse or the other has an adulterous relationship


4 posted on 04/14/2013 2:39:08 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk
Yes or has sex with someone to whom he or she is not married.

Presumably, our whole society Christians and not have replaced the holy union of one man for one woman, with all manner of non-holy relationships, thus the militant homosexual community is demanding their "unions" regardless how temporary or open, be given the word AND meaning of marriage.

Sadly, the members of the faith community have gone along with easy divorce, pre-marital sexual relationships (not a brief relationship prior to marriage) either numerous partners or moving in with one another and even having children without bothering to get married, doesn't act like the term "marriage" means anything at all so why bother to object when sodomites want their unions sanctioned.

5 posted on 04/14/2013 3:00:49 PM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: ReformationFan

Thanks for posting. Unequivocal, thoughtful, and deep - will save this one.


6 posted on 04/14/2013 3:09:24 PM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: yldstrk; zerosix
I assume the same applies when one spouse or the other has an adulterous relationship

There is a considerable difference between homosexuality and the sin of adultery. When heterosexual adultery is committed, the person sins against his spouse, and the adulterous union is unholy. But the act itself is natural.

Homosexual acts are never holy and never natural.

When a heterosexual act is committed, even in fornication or adultery, the act itself conforms to the way God created man and women. The act is complementary. But when a homosexual act is committed, the person is turning away from the glory of God's creation in the complementary nature of the sexes, and turning towards an image of himself.

I was once told by a fundamentalist "preacher" that all sins are equal. That cannot be true; it would be a sin against justice to count the theft of a paperclip the same as the murder of a child. Some sins are greater than others. And so it is with homosexuality. Adultery is a grave sin, but the homosexual act is an abomination.

7 posted on 04/14/2013 3:19:27 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (People are idiots.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

“But when a homosexual act is committed, the person is turning away from the glory of God’s creation in the complementary nature of the sexes, and turning towards an image of himself.”

One can say homosexual acts are the most extreme form of narcissism. Which makes sense considering we live in an extremely narcissic age. It’s also completely closed to any possibility of a new life that might come to faith in Christ being created.


8 posted on 04/14/2013 3:58:24 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: Jeff Chandler
As we read in the Sermon on the Mount, Christ tells us that sin begins in the heart, thus lusting after another to The Lord, is the same as committing adultery already, and hating to the point of wishing your brother dead is the same as murder.

All sin separates us from God, whether it is hating our brother or lusting after another, according to the words of The Lord.

According to the Ten Commandments, the first five commandments are against God alone, the last five are against our fellow man.

Sexual sins, regardless of their nature, are against our own bodies and we are told we are made in God's image and that our bodies are holy, so sins against our own bodies show that we devalue ourselves and thus God.

The sin unto death is denying Christ.

9 posted on 04/14/2013 4:50:23 PM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: ReformationFan
See my tagline for the lead in.

Explains a lot of what is wrong these days with lots of stuff.

10 posted on 04/14/2013 4:53:20 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,)
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To: Jeff Chandler; yldstrk; zerosix; ReformationFan
Jeff, this is interesting:

"When a heterosexual act is committed, even in fornication or adultery, the act itself conforms to the way God created man and women."

This is true, and adds to homosexuality yet another layer of depravity.

But I would note that when heterosexuals contracept, the act no longer conforms to the way God created men and women. It is an active and intentional rejection of God's design as inscribed in the body.

Contraception and sterilization are similar, as well, to the sex-change project: transsexualism. They involve using drugs, devices, and surgery to change the normal, natural, functional body into something which is abnormal, unnatural and dysfunctional in the sense of being procreatively disabled.

Contraception, transsexualism and homosexuality are all way over on the spectrum of rebellion against the way God created our bodies.

11 posted on 04/14/2013 5:15:25 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Quantus tremor est futurus,Quando iudex est venturus,Cuncta stricte discussurus!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I don’t think Western culture would even be entertaining the idea of redefining marriage now if Protestantism hadn’t started caving into the pro-birth control mentality such as the Anglicans did circa 1930. Actions and ideas have all sorts of consequences(intended and unintended both) to ripple through many generations.


12 posted on 04/14/2013 5:38:58 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan

Very true. Richard Rodriguez, a practicing Gay ex-Catholic (practicing Gay, not practicing Catholic)-— and very talented California writer -— has remarked that contracepting couples are heterosexual gays.


13 posted on 04/14/2013 5:46:29 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Dies irae, Dies illa, / Solvet saeclum in favilla / Teste David et Sybilla.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Ouch!

Have you heard of or read this book?

http://www.onemoresoul.com/catalog/the-bible-and-birth-control-p193.html


14 posted on 04/14/2013 5:56:41 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: Jeff Chandler

Agreed. There are sins that cry out to heaven for vengeance. Sodomy is one of them.


15 posted on 04/14/2013 6:07:04 PM PDT by stranded conservative
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To: ReformationFan

bump for later


16 posted on 04/14/2013 6:18:27 PM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: ReformationFan

I’ve “heard of” Provan and the “Full Quiver” movement, haven’t read the book. Looks like something I should look into.


17 posted on 04/14/2013 6:24:25 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Dies irae, Dies illa, / Solvet saeclum in favilla / Teste David et Sybilla.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

The word “gay” originally mean the same as “ libertine.” This is a person who observes no limits.


18 posted on 04/14/2013 7:23:36 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: ReformationFan; Mrs. Don-o

“Have you heard of or read this book?

http://www.onemoresoul.com/catalog/the-bible-and-birth-control-p193.html

You can also listen to it or download from Sermonaudio

http://www.sermonaudio.com/search.asp?speakeronly=true&currsection=sermonsspeaker&keyword=Charles_Provan


19 posted on 04/15/2013 11:40:14 AM PDT by Diapason
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To: Diapason

Thanks very much, Diapason. Interesting stuff.


20 posted on 04/15/2013 11:57:35 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Dies irae, Dies illa, / Solvet saeclum in favilla / Teste David et Sybilla.)
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To: zerosix
Sadly, the members of the faith community have gone along with easy divorce, pre-marital sexual relationships (not a brief relationship prior to marriage) either numerous partners or moving in with one another and even having children without bothering to get married, doesn't act like the term "marriage" means anything at all so why bother to object when sodomites want their unions sanctioned.

Amen!

21 posted on 04/15/2013 1:35:09 PM PDT by MEGoody (You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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