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Poll: High Anti-Semitism Among Warsaw Teens
Israel National News ^ | 4/16/'13 | Unattributed

Posted on 04/16/2013 4:07:44 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator

Poll shows anti-Jewish sentiment among youth in Poland's capital. 44% don't want a Jewish neighbor.

Anti-Semitism is high among teenagers in the Polish capital, according to an opinion survey conducted in the run-up to Friday's 70th anniversary of the Warsaw ghetto uprising, the AFP news agency reports.

The poll of students from 20 Warsaw high schools, published Tuesday, found that 44 percent of respondents said they would be unhappy to have a Jewish neighbor.

In the survey of 1,250 students commissioned by the Jewish Community of Warsaw, the Homo Homini polling institute also found that two in five said they would not like to have a Jewish classmate, and 61 percent said they would be upset if their partner turned out to be a Jew.

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KEYWORDS: christianbashing; europe; judaeophobia; poland
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Okay . . . I know that the article and the people cited approach this as a "multicultural" and "tolerance" issue rather than one of objective religious truth and correct behavior, but even so, the statistics are what they are.

American chrstians are among the most pro-Jewish, pro-Israel people in the entire world but they are the exception. Elsewhere chrstians--whether ancient liturgical or classical Protestant--are among the most anti-Semitic people on earth (with Middle Eastern chrstians being at the absolute pinnacle). I have always and shall continue to defend all pro-Jewish Biblicist chrstians from every kind of falsehood and slander, but American chrstians should ask themselves some very hard questions. If chrstianity really is "the one true religion," then why was it universally anti-Jewish until radical Protestants cracked open their Bibles? How can an a-historical reconstruction of an ancient religion be "true" if it has absolutely no presence in prior history?

PLEASE consider the claims of Torah Judaism that the Noachide Laws are the one and only true religion for all non-Jews at all times and in all places! Just consider it for the first time in your lives!

1 posted on 04/16/2013 4:07:44 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator
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To: hlmencken3; rmlew; Nachum; dervish; Yehuda; Ancesthntr; TorahTrueJew; Yomin Postelnik; ...

Ping.


2 posted on 04/16/2013 4:09:05 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Anyone who has ever had family visit to Poland would find this unsurprising.


3 posted on 04/16/2013 4:10:26 PM PDT by Nachum (The Obama "List" at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Sad to hear, I always thought Poland was a relatively safe place for Jews in Europe, historically speaking.


4 posted on 04/16/2013 4:13:03 PM PDT by Shadow44
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To: Nachum

Or lived there for any length of time. The further East you go in Europe, the stronger the anti-Semitism gets.


5 posted on 04/16/2013 4:20:56 PM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Both of my parents were Holocaust survivors who were children in Berlin when it all started. My father died a long time ago, but to this day, my mom has far worse feelings towards the Poles than the Germans, and she ain’t real fond of the Germans.

I have always felt that Martin Luther’s teachings were the single biggest reason for negative attitudes towards Jews in Europe. When you exhort your followers to burn down the synagogues and kill the Jews you get those kinds of results.


6 posted on 04/16/2013 4:31:17 PM PDT by sakic
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To: sakic

Doubtful. Most Europeans are woefully ignorant of their religious heritage and couldn’t tell you who martin luther was, and yet are virulently anti-semitic.


7 posted on 04/16/2013 4:46:34 PM PDT by kingcanuteus
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To: Shadow44

“Relatively” is a very relative term in this historical context.


8 posted on 04/16/2013 4:54:20 PM PDT by kenavi ("Beware of rulers, for they befriend only for their own benefit." Gamliel)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
I can no more understand the unChristian behavior of modern any more than I can of people claiming to be Christian over the past two millennium, or of American Jews who seem more anti-Israeli than most Christians.

Evangelical Christians, which I consider myself to be, believe the entire Bible, Old and New Testament, is the word of G_d to which we are bound. That would include the Noachide Laws (which I didn't know what that were until you used that term).

I'm not sure what your point is but can only say their will always be evil in the world, and that includes people to claim a faith in which they don't actually believe or faithfully follow. The poll is disturbing to me and tells me that Poles are not the Christians they may claim to be, or secularism is much stronger in Poland than we realize.

9 posted on 04/16/2013 4:56:31 PM PDT by trubolotta
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To: sakic

Hard for me to swallow the Martin Luther argument. Firstly, it predates him. Secondly, there are other denominations. Poland, which is supposed to be so dang racist, was Catholic, wasn’t it? Germans didn’t get around to exiling them (into death) until 400 or so years after Luther, whereas Catholic Spain chucked them out during the inquisition. Which I guess could be blamed on Luther in a backwards way, since he is thought of as sparking the heresies against which the inquisition was reacting.


10 posted on 04/16/2013 4:58:06 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: AnAmericanAbroad; Nachum
Or lived there for any length of time. The further East you go in Europe, the stronger the anti-Semitism gets.

How sad, considering the great Sages who came from Eastern Europe.

Ukraine, the birthplace of Reb Nachman of Breslov, is another example. The Orthodox Jewish authorities there recently added their voices to the corrective of pro-homosexual propaganda, yet the Ukrainians still don't like them.

And Lithuania is probably right after 'Eretz Yisra'el and 'Eretz Bavel in the hearts of many Jews, yet it has always had the same problem. Don Feder was trying to reach out to Lithuanian conservatives recently (I think it was Lithuania, though it could have been another of the Baltic states). I don't know if he made any headway, but I hope he did.

European conservatism is highly localized and xenophobic, almost ethnolatrous. Any claim of universal objective truth is taken by them as "subversive."

11 posted on 04/16/2013 4:59:30 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: trubolotta
Evangelical Christians, which I consider myself to be, believe the entire Bible, Old and New Testament, is the word of G_d to which we are bound. That would include the Noachide Laws (which I didn't know what that were until you used that term).

So you adhere to a form of chrstianity which has no roots in the ancient chrstian past and is basically an American invention. How is an inauthentic chrstianity "true?"

I'm not sure what your point is

My point is simple: Please consider the possibility that chrstianity (in all its forms) is a false religion and that G-d wants you to be a Noachide. If you love the Jews as much as you say you do, surely you can just give the claim a hearing.

12 posted on 04/16/2013 5:03:29 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: trubolotta

The Soviet domination of Poland for over 40 years didn’t help matters. In fact, in 1968, the anti-Zionist faction of the Communist Party pretty much kicked out most of Poland’s remaining Jews.


13 posted on 04/16/2013 5:08:23 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Zionist Conspirator
I trace my religious roots back quite a distance, at least as far a Genisis. I also accept the books of Moses and the Prophets, and the Gospel of the New Testament. There will always be disagreements over the interpretations and different Christian sects. Is Juadaism that much different?

Now that I understand your request, let me just say it is not something I reject out of hand but I also accept the Gospels. It took a long time and a lot of self-examination and self-reflection to come this point. That does not diminish my love for Jews in any way. They are still G-d’s chosen people and many Jews I consider close friends, though they sometimes puzzle me over their committment to their beliefs.

14 posted on 04/16/2013 5:16:34 PM PDT by trubolotta
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Such polls have absolutely zero consequence in real life.
Those teenager may have Jewish friends and not know about it.
Next, let’s poll American-African teenagers, huh?


15 posted on 04/16/2013 5:21:40 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Please consider the possibility that Christianity (in all its forms) is a false religion...

Hey,c'mon.This is Free Republic you're on.Talk like that is what you'd expect from the DUmpster Kids.

16 posted on 04/16/2013 5:24:49 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Leno Was Right,They *Are* Undocumented Democrats!)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Heheh - ok. This is Free Republic, my primary source of information. It might surprise you that Jewish World Review is in my top 5 list of informative web sites which I read “cover to cover.”
17 posted on 04/16/2013 5:27:29 PM PDT by trubolotta
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To: trubolotta
It might surprise you that Jewish World Review is in my top 5 list of informative web sites which I read “cover to cover.”

OK,fair enough.In my very strong opinion,real Christians (as opposed to Ted Kennedy "Christians") and real Jews are off limits for criticism regarding their beliefs.Other faiths may well be off limits too...I'd have to give that some thought.OTOH,real moslems are fair game for the most vicious contempt (given that the Religion of Pieces is,in fact,a medieval death cult).

18 posted on 04/16/2013 5:48:51 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Leno Was Right,They *Are* Undocumented Democrats!)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Please consider the possibility that Christianity (in all its forms) is a false religion...

Hey,c'mon.This is Free Republic you're on.Talk like that is what you'd expect from the DUmpster Kids.

No it is not. I am proselytizing, which is politically incorrect. PC says that all religions are equally "true" (ie, they're all wrong anyway, but they teach nice life lessons). I am a true religious fundamentalist in that I believe there is one true religion and everything else is unauthorized and wrong.

Are you aware of the rabidly anti-Protestant rhetoric coming from Catholic FReepers that basically repeats all the caricatures of "inbred, illiterate, bigoted morons?" Do you ever chide them? What about the anti-Catholic posts by Protestants? Should they all be scrubbed? And then of course there are the mormons, who sustain a continuous attack on their religion by almost all other FReepers (and for the record, I think mormonism is wrong too, but the attacks on it especially from Protestants is particularly hypocritical).

Shoot, we've got a British Israelite now telling the story of how the "one true religion" was "restored" after having disappeared for a zillion years. We've even got (or had) a Swedenborgian who proselytizes here!

Judaism isn't just a stage in the development (or "revelation") of chrstianity. It is a religion in its own right, with a clear and certain claim on Truth that no other religion has. Even chrstians don't dispute this; instead they ridiculously assert that while Judaism (and Noachism) was true once, it is no longer. Meanwhile, while everyone agrees that Judaism was the True Religion at one time, no one can agree on what replaced it! Do you know how ridiculous it is to see all these various chrstians cutting each other to shreds, disproving each others' claims, while still maintaining an absolutely stupendous and utterly irrational loyalty to their particular version, whatever it is.

Meanwhile, while chrstians continually remind everyone of how much they love Jews (and many of them do, especially American-style Biblicists), they don't seem capable of laying aside their prejudices for ten minutes to make a simple investigation. That is absolutely absurd!

Do you love the Jews only because they were a stage in the development of chrstianity or because it was authorized by A-mighty G-d Himself at Sinai? If you love them at all, you can certainly take a small amount of time to investigate Jewish religious claims. Certainly you have all investigated religions multiple times in your lives, perhaps even really bizarre ones. Whence comes this invisible wall that prevents you from considering the possibility that Judaism, the religion that used to be true, still is? Use a little logic!

You'd be surprised how peaceful it is to no longer have to wonder if "my version of christianity" is "correct."

19 posted on 04/16/2013 6:50:51 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
I don't get it either. Jesus was a Jew. When we pray we say, “In Jesus name we pray”... meaning that we're asking Jesus to intercede on our behalf... In essence, we're praying to a Jewish man...

There might be some ‘blame the victim’ defense mechanisms going on... other than that anti-semitism's a mystery to me too. I don't know what to say...

20 posted on 04/16/2013 7:41:53 PM PDT by GOPJ (New AP term for Illegal Aliens IS Undocumented Democrats.... Jay Leno)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Are you a former Christian?


21 posted on 04/16/2013 7:44:57 PM PDT by GOPJ (New AP term for Illegal Aliens IS Undocumented Democrats.... Jay Leno)
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To: Review50
Well can you really blame young Poles for having an anti-Jewish bias when they see the huge anti-Polish bias many young and old Jews have towards Poland?

Ah, the Jews should "share" some responsibility in the hatred Jews by so many Poles.

Why did the Jews "choose" to live in Poland? For the same reason they "chose" to live in almost every country in the world after they were led in chains from the Holy Land.

24 posted on 04/16/2013 10:16:37 PM PDT by Nachum (The Obama "List" at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

The Jews *did* choose to live in Poland in large numbers, because Poland (before it was divided and taken over in the 18th C) was more tolerant toward Jews than were most other European nations.


25 posted on 04/17/2013 5:32:22 AM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: kingcanuteus

What Europeans understand now is irrelevant. Hatred has been handed down through generations. It is part of the fabric of Europe.


26 posted on 04/17/2013 5:55:40 AM PDT by sakic
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To: Zionist Conspirator

“Don Feder was trying to reach out to Lithuanian conservatives recently (I think it was Lithuania, though it could have been another of the Baltic states).”

Do you have more info or a link? I went to his site and couldn’t find anything.


27 posted on 04/17/2013 8:03:59 AM PDT by Yehuda
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To: Zionist Conspirator

The yetzer for idolatry is so strong, many are willing to kill, and sometimes be killed, on its behalf. Flame wars and spam are child’s play.

Remember, it is natural for the intellect to be subservient to the emotions. Intellectual contortions to justify the yetzer are endless.


28 posted on 04/17/2013 8:34:41 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Yehuda
“Don Feder was trying to reach out to Lithuanian conservatives recently (I think it was Lithuania, though it could have been another of the Baltic states).”

Do you have more info or a link? I went to his site and couldn’t find anything.

I've just been there too, and he apparently hasn't updated the site in over a year. That's bad. We really need him in this battle. Maybe he's abandoned this site for others to get his message across?

Unfortunately the page gives only one "previously posted" commentary. If all previously posted commentaries were available I believe a sufficient search would find the speech I'm talking about.

29 posted on 04/17/2013 5:43:23 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: jjotto
The yetzer for idolatry is so strong, many are willing to kill, and sometimes be killed, on its behalf. Flame wars and spam are child’s play.

Remember, it is natural for the intellect to be subservient to the emotions. Intellectual contortions to justify the yetzer are endless.

That may be, but in our country where Jews are free to spread the message of the Noachide Laws they should certainly do so (isn't that one reason they were scattered among the nations to begin with?). As a former chrstian myself I simply don't feel free to throw in the towel and wait for Mashiach HaMelekh when the great moral turmoil of our age would otherwise attract more people back to false religions that have failed time and time again in the past.

My feelings for the Catholic Church are no secret, but at least symbolically they represent a claim to objective religious and moral truth, which is why the left attacks them. Unfortunately, the Nation of Israel which has been entrusted with the mission of being a "light unto the nations" (which means to bring them to a knowledge of G-d, not to "civilize" them with liberal "enlightenment" values) are never associated in the common mind with religious truth or even a claim of religious truth. They are associated only and always with the most extreme form of religious subjectivism as if the one and only Jewish "value" were an abstract "freedom of religion." I'm sorry, but that must change.

When the churches fall (and it's only a question of time) we cannot abandon ourselves to nihilistic moral anarchy. `Am Yisra'el must be there as a symbol to the whole world, not of eighteenth century political philosophy, but of G-d and Objective Truth.

At any rate, we Noachides aren't in exile.

30 posted on 04/17/2013 5:53:06 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Campion

I’ve just read that the number of people who identify themselves as Jews in Poland has increased eightfold in recent years. Explain that Poland haters!


31 posted on 04/17/2013 5:58:23 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator; Gay State Conservative
I am proselytizing

Operative word. So do you want to proselytize or do you want to be liked as a neighbor?

32 posted on 04/17/2013 5:59:50 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Revolting cat!
I’ve just read that the number of people who identify themselves as Jews in Poland has increased eightfold in recent years. Explain that Poland haters!

I am not a "Poland hater." I merely point out the unfortunate fact that chrstianity in its more historical forms (apart from American Judaeophilic reconstructionism) has never been a friend of Jews, and that includes Poland. I believe that Jews were being killed in Poland as late as 1946. Please feel to correct me if I'm wrong.

If Jews feel more comfortable in contemporary Poland I am glad of it, though I still think Jews should live in 'Eretz Yisra'el now that it is available rather than a continent that has historically been such a nightmare for them.

The affinity of the Jews for Poland in former times is well known. Even the Hebrew name of the country--Polonya--was punned as "G-d lives here."

33 posted on 04/17/2013 6:27:01 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: GOPJ
Are you a former Christian?

Yes I am.

34 posted on 04/17/2013 6:33:30 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Review50
Well can you really blame young Poles for having an anti-Jewish bias when they see the huge anti-Polish bias many young and old Jews have towards Poland?

All Jewish American and Israeli Journalists do is demonize Poland....like the Leftists at the New York Times who talk about "Poland's long history of anti-semitism".....while NEVER explaining WHY Jews CHOSE to live in Poland for 1000 years. I doubt Jews CHOSE to live in Poland for 1000 years because of anti-semitism.

So you're saying "the Jews started it?"

When? For what purpose? Just to be mean???

35 posted on 04/17/2013 6:35:57 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: annalex
I am proselytizing

Operative word. So do you want to proselytize or do you want to be liked as a neighbor?

Do you object to me proselytizing? Is there some reason Judaism/Noachism is the only religion that isn't supposed to proselytize?

36 posted on 04/17/2013 6:40:13 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Review50
Well can you really blame young Poles for having an anti-Jewish bias when they see the huge anti-Polish bias many young and old Jews have towards Poland?

I've always wondered why Poland of all European nations is singled out as an object of hatred by so many Jews. While there is no denying that Polish anti-Semitism existed (and still exists), Poles were certainly not any worse than many of their neighbors. It probably just has to do with an old historical prejudice on the part of Jews with ancestors from Poland: they need some group of Gentiles to be a scapegoat.

All Jewish American and Israeli Journalists do is demonize Poland....like the Leftists at the New York Times who talk about "Poland's long history of anti-semitism".....while NEVER explaining WHY Jews CHOSE to live in Poland for 1000 years. I doubt Jews CHOSE to live in Poland for 1000 years because of anti-semitism

I guess it's similar to all of the black and Hispanic radicals who rant and rave about how evil and racist the United States is, and yet have absolutely no desire to live anywhere else.

37 posted on 04/17/2013 7:00:19 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: sakic
I have always felt that Martin Luther’s teachings were the single biggest reason for negative attitudes towards Jews in Europe. When you exhort your followers to burn down the synagogues and kill the Jews you get those kinds of results.

Most Poles are Lutheran? Learn something new every day!

Incidentally, many of Luther's statements about Jews and Judaism aren't any more vitriolic than what Jewish sacred writings have to say about Gentiles. But it's all about whose ox is being gored, isn't it?

38 posted on 04/17/2013 7:04:29 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: ek_hornbeck
I've always wondered why Poland of all European nations is singled out as an object of hatred by so many Jews.

You don't suppose there might be a reason, do you?

39 posted on 04/17/2013 7:05:20 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: ek_hornbeck; KC_Lion
Incidentally, many of Luther's statements about Jews and Judaism aren't any more vitriolic than what Jewish sacred writings have to say about Gentiles. But it's all about whose ox is being gored, isn't it?

It's all about objective religious truth. If the Torah is from Heaven then its decrees are of Divine origin, are they not?

Just what in the Torah offends you? The plagues on Egypt perhaps? The commandments to exterminate the Seven Nations of Canaan and the `Amaleqites? Relatives of yours, are they?

So, what are you? "Identity?" "Truth Seeker?" Willis Carto follower?

KC: see what I mean?

40 posted on 04/17/2013 7:11:02 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Is that the same “reason” that black radicals give for their bigotry towards whites? On this thread, I’ve seen Jewish posters make bigoted statements about a. Poles and b. Lutherans. I haven’t seen any bigoted statements towards Jews from either a. or b. I think that says something.


41 posted on 04/17/2013 7:11:40 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: ek_hornbeck
Is that the same “reason” that black radicals give for their bigotry towards whites? On this thread, I’ve seen Jewish posters make bigoted statements about a. Poles and b. Lutherans. I haven’t seen any bigoted statements towards Jews from either a. or b. I think that says something.

Awww. Don't you worry your sweet little head. The Arabs and the moslems will save White Western Chrstian Civlization and Womanhood from those awful Israelis and their Black Baptist and Catholic Hispanic minions!

Until your last post no one had actually attacked the Holy Torah. Don't you think that's a little bit more than a mere "ethnic prejudice?"

42 posted on 04/17/2013 7:14:32 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

http://www.sichosinenglish.org/books/sichos-in-english/16/27.htm

... G-d, the Creator of the world, has not abandoned His handiwork, but has given clear guidance how the world can be made “inhabited,” settled and productive, decent and enduring. The nations of the world have been given a Divine code of conduct, the Seven Noachide Laws, which consist of six prohibitions against murder, robbery, idolatry, adultery, blasphemy, cruelty to animals — and one positive command, to establish a judicial system. These Seven Noachide Laws are general statements, which, with their ramifications and extensions, encompass countless details.

The reason these Seven Laws are to be observed is also important. The Rambam rules (Code, Kings 8:11) that the Sons of Noach (i.e. all humanity) must observe these Laws because “G-d commanded them in the Torah and informed us through Moshe that the Sons of Noach had already been so commanded.” A non-Jew conducts himself in consonance with the Seven Laws not because human logic compels him to do so, but because they are G-d’s commands transmitted through Moshe. This ensures that self-interest will never be allowed to pervert the Divine criteria of conduct.

It is through the observance of the Seven Noachide Laws that the entire world becomes a decent, productive place, a fitting receptacle for the Divine. Then, promises Scripture, “the glory of the L-rd will be revealed and all flesh together will see that the mouth of the L-rd has spoken.” The culmination of this will be the Messianic epoch, when, through the agency of Moshiach, “all will call in the Name of the L-rd and serve Him with a common consent.”

Jew’s Role in World

The Jew has a crucial role to play in this. He cannot be a bystander, remaining aloof from the world’s conduct. The Rambam explicitly rules (Code, Kings 8:10): “Moshe Rabbeinu commanded from the mouth of G-d to convince all the inhabitants of the world to observe the commandments given to the children of Noach.” It is the Jew’s duty to see to it that all peoples lead the righteous and decent life which comes from compliance with the Seven Noachide Laws...


43 posted on 04/17/2013 7:20:19 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Fair enough. Those relationships between Christians and Jews over there have been complex to say the least, and the simplifications read in sources like the New York Times are simply maddening. I’ve known quite a few (formerly) Polish Jews, and their feelings toward Poland have often been on the opposite poles (no pun intended.)


44 posted on 04/17/2013 7:25:10 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Revolting cat!

Israelis standing next to the soon-to-be-opened "Museum of the History of Polish Jews" on the site of the former Warsaw Ghetto.

45 posted on 04/17/2013 7:30:19 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Revolting cat!
Fair enough. Those relationships between Christians and Jews over there have been complex to say the least, and the simplifications read in sources like the New York Times are simply maddening. I’ve known quite a few (formerly) Polish Jews, and their feelings toward Poland have often been on the opposite poles (no pun intended.)

You're right.

America is a very different place from Europe. Sometimes we forget how different.

Hey, I'd love for Poland and Israel to be friends. We'll all serve G-d together when Mashiach comes. Jabotinsky once called Polish Jews "the crown of Jewry" or something like that.

BTW: I'm not Jewish. I'm a redneck, and some Jews don't like us either. Of course, there's a whole lot of people from a whole lot of ethnic groups that don't like us. (They're afraid we'll put a tract under their windshield wiper. What an atrocity!)

46 posted on 04/17/2013 7:41:49 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: jjotto
Re: 43

Thank you for the post!

47 posted on 04/17/2013 7:42:27 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Because Poland was the only European country most of them lived in, they don’t know how bad anti-semitism was in the other occupied countries, such as Holland, where Dutch nationals betrayed the Frank family. And of course, you should know about how the French acted during the war towards Jews as well. Poland gets more notoriety, simply because that’s where most of the Jews lived before, and where many of the European Jews ultimately wound up. More a function of Poland’s geography than anything.

And one cannot condemn Poles for their terrible acts towards Jews, without mentioning the fact, that many Jewish Kapos treated their fellow Jews in the same manner. War brings out the best in some people, but unfortunately, it brings out the worst in others....that is universal, it certainly wasn’t a phenomenon limited to Poland.

I hope one day Jews and Poles can live together, as it was during the days of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.

At least Poland has a very tiny number of Muslims compared to other European nations.

I myself am Catholic of Polish heritage, but I also happened to have many Jewish friends, from living in South Florida in my youth, and attended many a Bar Mitzvah, and I am still close with many of them....so Polish-Jewish relations is something I take very seriously. And no one supports Israel more than I.

Both sides must realize that the other side wasn’t as bad as they thought, and their own side wasn’t as good as they could have been....from there, the path to reconciliation lies.

And Israel never had a better friend in Europe than the late President Kaczynski. His loss was a terrible tragedy for Polish-Jewish relations.


48 posted on 04/17/2013 7:52:04 PM PDT by dfwgator
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The Rebbe didn’t let up:

http://www.sichosinenglish.org/books/sichos-in-english/35/01.htm

... Furthermore, the Rambam uses the expression, “lakuf (”to forcefully influence”) all inhabitants of the world to accept the Noachide commands.” Although obviously one must do this in a pleasant, gentle, and peaceful way, it still must be done with persistence. If you have already tried several times, try again nevertheless. We frequently see that although people are sometimes spoken to five times, they do not change until they hear it a sixth time!

Someone might wish to complain: “and is this all that we’re lacking? There are so many things which need our attention!”

Obviously, this complaint cannot be taken seriously. By the same reasoning, you could do away with all 613 mitzvos, G-d forbid!...


49 posted on 04/17/2013 8:13:03 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Zionist Conspirator; sakic; Nachum
Oh my :)))

“Anti-Semitism is high among teenagers in the Polish capital, according to an opinion survey”

“In the survey of 1,250 students commissioned by the Jewish Community of Warsaw”

Totally objective survey, obviously without any agenda behind it ;) Just like global warming research sponsored by Al Gore's foundation :)))

” “We wanted to probe their attitudes towards Jews, since we're planning to prepare an educational program or social campaign in the future,” spokeswoman Joanna Korzeniewska told AFP.”

Mmm grants are coming :))

“Both of my parents were Holocaust survivors who were children in Berlin when it all started.”

I suppose anti-semitic “Pollocks” (like your ilk kindly call us) kidnapped them from Berlin and put into the camps, no wonder Gerries had to invade Poland to put a stop to that !

“Ah, the Jews should “share” some responsibility in the hatred Jews by so many Poles.”

No dear Sir, God forbid ! Because when “Pollocks” read such

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/50114/poles-were-complicit-in-holocaust-outrage-over-obama-gaffe-is-fraudulent-ignorant/

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/columnists/gilescoren/article3675767.ece

http://patriaefidelis.pl/uploaded/org-93/Antypolonizm/auschwitz2.jpg

pieces of art written by your other dear Sirs and Madams, all they want is to hug a Jew ! Shalom !!!

50 posted on 04/18/2013 2:07:09 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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