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'Many False Prophets Will Arise And Deceive Many'
Good News Magazine ^ | Sept 2012 | Tom Robinson

Posted on 04/18/2013 6:26:35 AM PDT by DouglasKC

'Many False Prophets Will Arise and Deceive Many'

article by Tom Robinson

When Jesus Christ foretold the major trends that would precede His return to earth, the first sign He mentioned was religious impostors who would come in His name. Do you take that warning seriously?

When Jesus Christ's disciples asked Him what would herald His coming to rule all nations, He answered by first relaying a series of developments that would lead up to the grand climax of the present age: religious deception, wars, famines, pestilences and earthquakes (Matthew 24:3-8; Mark 13:3-8; Luke 21:7-11).

Jesus said that these were just the " beginning of sorrows" (Matthew 24:8,emphasis added throughout)—or, as the New International Version better renders this, the "beginning of birth pains." As birth pangs—or labor contractions—get stronger and closer together as delivery approaches, so these trends would appear with increasing intensity and frequency as the end of the age approached.

Let's take a closer look at the first of these trends—religious deception.

"Many shall come in my name . . ."

Just what is the nature of this deception? Notice Jesus' specific warning: "Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many" (verses 4-5, King James Version).

Modern Bible versions often place quotation marks around "I am Christ," the translators assuming that Jesus was talking about people who would claim to actually be the Christ or Messiah themselves. There have been such people, and Jesus warned later in the same discourse of "false christs" at the end of the age (verse 24).

Yet there clearly have not been, as verse 5 requires, "many" such individuals who have been taken seriously—much less deceived the "many"—in the two millennia since Jesus said this. And there certainly has not been a great increase in such individuals in recent centuries—while there has been a marked increase in the other prophesied signs.

Some have proposed that Jesus was referring to false "savior" figures like the Roman emperors of New Testament times or Napoleon, Hitler, Mao and Saddam Hussein in the modern era. But this is stretching the concept of "the Christ" or "the Messiah" far beyond what Jesus' disciples would have understood it to mean—the prophesied anointed king of the line of David.

Indeed, notice again that Jesus said, "Many shall come in my name "—His name being Jesus . Furthermore, they would come in His name, not with His name or bearing His name. In other words, they would presume to represent Him—not assume His identity.

So a clearer rendering of what Jesus meant in verses 4-5 would be: "Take heed that no one deceives you. For many shall come claiming to represent Me, saying that I [Jesus] am the Christ, yet shall deceive many." That is, they would proclaim Jesus as the biblical Messiah and would claim to be His representatives—but they actually would be part of a massive religious deception.

It is these people—false preachers and teachers claiming to be Christian—who would proliferate and deceive ever more people as the end of the age neared.

The apostle Paul later affirmed, in a Christian context, that "evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived" (2 Timothy 3:13).

So not only do they deceive others. These false teachers themselves are deceived.

Lawless fruits

In His famous Sermon on the Mount, Jesus issued the following warning regarding false prophets or preachers: "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves" (Matthew 7:15). Jesus being the great Shepherd, His followers are portrayed as sheep. Yet these false prophets only appear to be Jesus' followers. Their true nature is one of devouring the lives of the unsuspecting—as a wolf among the flock.

Paul would later warn of this as well. He told the leaders of the church in Ephesus: "For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves" (Acts 20:29-30).

Yet such imposters would be identifiable. Jesus explained: "You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit" (Matthew 7:16-17). By "fruits," Jesus is referring metaphorically to visible results or outcomes.

He then gives us an example of something to look for in our evaluation: "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord' [merely acknowledging Him as Lord], shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven" (verse 21). Then notice: "Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied [preached or taught] in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'" (verse 22).

Again, as in Matthew 24, we see such preachers coming in Jesus' name —having done various works in His name. But their lives are not lives conformed to the will of God. Jesus concludes, "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'" (Matthew 7:23).

Practicing lawlessness means living as if God's law is done away or of no consequence. Notice that these individuals are deceived about their own spiritual state. They think they have a special relationship with Jesus—but He ends up telling them they are gravely mistaken. In reality, He doesn't know them at all.

Why? Because they don't honor God by obeying His law. As the apostle John would later explain: "Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He who says, 'I know Him,' and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him" (1 John 2:3-4).

Jesus is telling these false prophets that He doesn't know them and they don't know Him. For if they knew Him, they would understand what He required—obedience to God's law. As Jesus stated in Matthew 19:17, "If you want to enter into [eternal] life, keep the commandments. "

Earlier in the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus said: "Whoever . . . breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called the least [by those] in the kingdom of heaven" (Matthew 5:19).

Notice that Jesus speaks here of those who would disobey God and those who would teach others to disobey Him. So it's not only a matter of practicing lawlessness —but also of teaching it, whether through word or example.

Exalting traditions over God's law

Jesus applied these principles to the religious leaders of His own day. For instance, Jesus chided the scribes and Pharisees for establishing many legalistic traditions that sidelined God's actual commandments. He said: "Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying: 'These people draw near to Me with their mouth, and honor Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men'" (Matthew 15:6-9).

Thus it is actually possible to worship God in vain—uselessly—in this case by putting the traditions of men ahead of the commandments of God.

Moreover, the scribes and Pharisees went beyond mere false teaching. As Jesus explained, "All their works they do to be seen by men" (Matthew 23:5). He castigated them, "Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness" (verse 28).

Yet it should be made clear that it's not necessary to be a hypocrite to be a false preacher. A man preaching that God's law is done away may be completely sincere in his belief—yet he is nevertheless a false teacher and certainly not a true representative of Jesus Christ.

Counterfeit Christianity

Jesus' prophecy of false teachers coming in His name began to be fulfilled even during the era of the apostles. Paul mentioned a number of false teachers. He said a "different gospel" was already being preached (Galatians 1:6).

Paul even identified a heretical system he referred to as "the mystery of lawlessness," which during his ministry was "already at work" (2 Thessalonians 2:7).

This system, he showed, would persist until the end of the age: "And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved " (verses 8-10).

The book of Revelation refers to this lawless mystery religion as "MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT" (17:5) and shows it appearing with "two horns like a lamb" (presenting itself as Christ-like) but speaking "like a dragon" (13:11). The "dragon" in Revelation is Satan the devil, who deceives the whole world (12:9).

So what we're seeing here is an extremely powerful "wolf in sheep's clothing." What Paul and this section of Revelation are describing is a great counterfeit of the true religion—a world-dominating false Christianity led by Satan and his ministers, who appear as ministers of righteousness (see 2 Corinthians 11:13-15).

As shocking as it may sound, the world religion that now lays claim to the name of Christianity, having nearly 2 billion adherents, is that very lawless mystery system! This is not to question the sincerity of its many followers. Most are motivated by a sincere desire to please God. But sincerity is not the measure of right and wrong. God defines what is right by His laws and commandments, and Christianity in general has rejected many of God's clear instructions.

Early on, this religion shed many important biblical doctrines and commandments in favor of popular pagan concepts and traditions. Christmas and Easter, for instance (the name "Easter" even deriving from the pagan goddess Ishtar), are merely pagan holidays covered over with a Christian veneer—despite the Bible's explicit command that we not worship the true God with pagan customs (see Deuteronomy 12:29-32).

It is just as Jesus said of the Pharisees: "In vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men. "

The true Christian Church, holding fast to God's commandments throughout history, has remained, in the words of Jesus, a "little flock" (Luke 12:32). In contrast, the popular substitute for Christianity has grown enormous and powerful—just as Jesus foretold in Matthew 24.

The worst yet to come

Recall Christ's warning that false teachers would be on the rise through history, culminating in the vast and powerful deception of the last days. Of the time just before His return Jesus said, "False christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect" (Matthew 24:24).

These signs and wonders are the same ones Paul mentioned. They have happened at times throughout history—yet will grow in magnitude at the end of the age, reaching their height with the coming of the great false prophet, who also appears to be representing Christ but in reality is the Antichrist.

All of us need to be wary and watchful. We must examine the fruits of all those who claim to represent Jesus Christ—in the way they live and the doctrines they teach. Do they insist that we are required to obey God's commandments? Or do they preach a message of cheap grace—that we can come to God just as we are without making any fundamental changes in our behavior?

Remember, most of those who claim to represent Jesus actually don't. Moreover, as time goes on, ever more pretenders will arise, however sincere they may be.

And finally, bear in mind that the greatest period of deception ever is just ahead of us. "See," Jesus said, "I have told you beforehand" (verse 25).

He was warning us to be prepared. Are you?


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Note: This could be a controversial thread. Let's remember to act in a Christian manner and exhibit the fruit of the holy spirit to those who might be reading this.

2Ti 2:24 And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient,
2Ti 2:25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth,
2Ti 2:26 and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will

Col 3:12 Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, put on tender mercies, kindness, humility, meekness, longsuffering;
Col 3:13 bearing with one another, and forgiving one another, if anyone has a complaint against another; even as Christ forgave you, so you also must do.

See also: The Rise of a Counterfeit Christianity

1 posted on 04/18/2013 6:26:35 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

Still posting that religious nut-case heretic Herbert W. Armstrong’s stuff, I see.


2 posted on 04/18/2013 6:29:17 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (It's a single step from relativism to barbarism, low information to Democrat, ignorance to tenure)
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Still posting that religious nut-case heretic Herbert W. Armstrong’s stuff, I see.

lol...this was written by a fine man named Tom Robinson whom I've actually had the pleasure of meeting.

Been a while my friend...how are you? Things going well?

3 posted on 04/18/2013 6:32:35 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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Sounds a lot like the Methodist Church. That seems to be the denomination that’s leading the charge on gay marriage.


4 posted on 04/18/2013 6:33:37 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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Sounds a lot like the Methodist Church. That seems to be the denomination that’s leading the charge on gay marriage.

...and Episcopalians, and Presbyterians....
5 posted on 04/18/2013 6:35:32 AM PDT by wolfpat (Not to know what has been transacted in former times is to be always a child. -- Cicero)
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Oh, yeah. I forgot about the Episcopalian Church. I didn’t know about Presbyterians.


6 posted on 04/18/2013 6:37:42 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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Sounds a lot like the Methodist Church. That seems to be the denomination that’s leading the charge on gay marriage

Just the tip of the iceberg to come. Christianity will be unrecognizable soon...

7 posted on 04/18/2013 6:38:03 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

Herbert W. Armstrong certainly was a false prophet and he spawned many smaller false prophets.


8 posted on 04/18/2013 6:47:09 AM PDT by fso301
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To: fso301
Herbert W. Armstrong certainly was a false prophet and he spawned many smaller false prophets.

I don't think he called himself a prophet...plus he didn't deceive "many"...his church was always tiny and is practically nothing now.

9 posted on 04/18/2013 6:53:56 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

bttt


10 posted on 04/18/2013 6:58:27 AM PDT by timestax (AMERICAN MEDIA= DOMESTIC ENEMY)
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To: Matchett-PI

re: “Still posting that religious nut-case heretic Herbert W. Armstrong’s stuff, I see.”

You got it. This is the “United Church of God” which split off from Armstrong’s World-Wide Church of God in 1995. They deny the Trinity, think we have to follow all Old Testament laws (including dietary - Saturday as the Sabbath). They also believe that THEY are the only true church and ALL others are heretical. They are exactly what the writer in the posted article condemned everyone else for - it is counterfeit Christianity.


11 posted on 04/18/2013 7:07:33 AM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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You got it. This is the “United Church of God” which split off from Armstrong’s World-Wide Church of God in 1995. They deny the Trinity, think we have to follow all Old Testament laws (including dietary - Saturday as the Sabbath). They also believe that THEY are the only true church and ALL others are heretical. They are exactly what the writer in the posted article condemned everyone else for - it is counterfeit Christianity.

lol...yeah that HUGE counterfeit church that deceives the whole world is a Christian church that worships on Saturday.

You also have some facts wrong about United sir (ma'am?). The "church" isn't an organization like United Church of God or whatever organization you represent...it's a spiritual entity consisting of those whom God has called out of the world.

For all I know YOU could be in the church of God....do you think you are?

12 posted on 04/18/2013 7:21:26 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC; Matchett-PI; Texas Eagle; wolfpat; rusty schucklefurd
Herbert W. Armstrong was one sure False prophet, but he only deceived a few

Texas Eagle;wolfpat, Douglas is posting articles about the united Chuch of g

This denomination has the following believes:

  1. Christians are begotten as children in the Family of God and will at their resurrection become "spirit-born divine beings who are part of Elohim, the universe-ruling family of God."
  2. Belief in a non-Trinitarian view of God. Specifically, the belief that the Holy Spirit is the spirit/power of God and of Christ Jesus rather than a separate person in the Godhead. God 'the Father' and Jesus Christ are viewed as distinct 'God beings' in the 'God family'
  3. Polytheism in the form of the "God Family"

the ECUSA etc are bad, but the teachings of Armstrong are not the solution

13 posted on 04/18/2013 7:24:40 AM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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re: “The “church” isn’t an organization like United Church of God or whatever organization you represent...it’s a spiritual entity consisting of those whom God has called out of the world.”

Not sure what you are referring to. The link to the article YOU posted was to the United Church of God. You were the one who posted it, do you not know where the article came from?


14 posted on 04/18/2013 7:38:40 AM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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To: DouglasKC

re: “lol...yeah that HUGE counterfeit church that deceives the whole world”

The size of the church isn’t the issue - it’s what they believe and teach. Heresy is heresy.


15 posted on 04/18/2013 7:41:04 AM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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To: DouglasKC
"This could be a controversial thread."

I don't see much controversial about the biblical doctrine to beware of false teachers who preach false doctrine. It is part of basic Christian theology 101. It is a theme which appears in just about every NT book except Phileamon and is the major theme of Galatians, 1 John and Jude. 2 Timothy also devotes a substantial amount of text to it.

16 posted on 04/18/2013 7:41:27 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Cronos
Texas Eagle;wolfpat, Douglas is posting articles about the united Chuch of g

I'm very proud of my church Cronos and I thank you for highlighting it. But you're doing it in a negative pejorative way!

Start with Fundamental Beliefs. It's NOT your traditional Christianity for sure, but it's also not corrupted like so much of traditional Christianity is.

Next, you can look at This is United Churh of God. This gives you some background about the organization and some of the practices. We're a very small church, but full of the love of Christ.

This are some of the free booklets you can read online. Or you can send for a free paper copy.

This link is to my local congregation in Grand Rapids if anyone wants to stop by and visit.

If you're not around use this to Find a congregation near you

17 posted on 04/18/2013 7:44:11 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: rusty schucklefurd
Not sure what you are referring to. The link to the article YOU posted was to the United Church of God. You were the one who posted it, do you not know where the article came from?

The church of God isn't a building or an organization. It's the body of Christ...it's spiritual, not physical. An organization like United Church of God can contain members of the church of God.

Hope it helps...

18 posted on 04/18/2013 7:47:08 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: rusty schucklefurd
The size of the church isn’t the issue - it’s what they believe and teach. Heresy is heresy.

What is your view on the great counterfeit system Christ is referring to in scripture?

19 posted on 04/18/2013 7:48:50 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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Many = most. Many = almost all. Many = everyone but a very very small and recent sect?

Wow. Something was obviously lost in translation! ;)


20 posted on 04/18/2013 7:50:03 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: circlecity
I don't see much controversial about the biblical doctrine to beware of false teachers who preach false doctrine. It is part of basic Christian theology 101. It is a theme which appears in just about every NT book except Phileamon and is the major theme of Galatians, 1 John and Jude. 2 Timothy also devotes a substantial amount of text to it.

You can see in this thread what happens when religious deception in Christianity is brought up....yet you're right...there IS a false Christianity..

2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ.
2Co 11:14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.
2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.

Their "works" are works of lawlessness. Homosexaul ordinations. Acceptance of sin. Teaching people to break God's commandments...all in the name of love and tolerance...

21 posted on 04/18/2013 7:52:29 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Texas Eagle

My great great grandfather was the founder of Whitworth University in Spokane, as well as many Presbyterian churches in the State of Washington. I’m sure he’s rolling in his grave.


22 posted on 04/18/2013 7:53:00 AM PDT by wolfpat (Not to know what has been transacted in former times is to be always a child. -- Cicero)
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"You can see in this thread what happens when religious deception in Christianity is brought up...."

I don't see much in thread at all devoted to the contents of the article. The vitriol seems to be directed to the cult site it came from and, probably, the memory of prior very offbeat things you have posted from it. This article itself is about as vanilla as you can get.

23 posted on 04/18/2013 7:56:53 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: allmendream
Many = most. Many = almost all. Many = everyone but a very very small and recent sect? Wow. Something was obviously lost in translation! ;)

Don't believe the haters about how UCG thinks they are the "only" church...it's a lie. :-)

Rev_12:9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Like it or not my friend there is a world wide deception happening right now. Islam, liberal Christianity, paganism, humanism...Satan has got the whole world deceived in one way or the other about religion.

Why do you think traditional Christian churches shy away from this subject?

24 posted on 04/18/2013 7:57:59 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: allmendream
Many = most. Many = almost all. Many = everyone but a very very small and recent sect? Wow. Something was obviously lost in translation! ;)

Don't believe the haters about how UCG thinks they are the "only" church...it's a lie. :-)

Rev_12:9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Like it or not my friend there is a world wide deception happening right now. Islam, liberal Christianity, paganism, humanism...Satan has got the whole world deceived in one way or the other about religion.

Why do you think traditional Christian churches shy away from this subject?

25 posted on 04/18/2013 7:58:13 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: circlecity
I don't see much in thread at all devoted to the contents of the article. The vitriol seems to be directed to the cult site it came from and, probably, the memory of prior very offbeat things you have posted from it. This article itself is about as vanilla as you can get.

Yup, shoot the messenger mentality. It's much easier than having to face religious deception. :-)

26 posted on 04/18/2013 7:59:45 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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I'm very proud of my church Cronos and I thank you for highlighting it. But you're doing it in a negative pejorative way!

Negative way, yes. Pejorative, no. I just stated the facts -- do you believe these are not true:
Your UCG has the following beliefs:

  1. Christians are begotten as children in the Family of God and will at their resurrection become "spirit-born divine beings who are part of Elohim, the universe-ruling family of God."
  2. Belief in a non-Trinitarian view of God. Specifically, the belief that the Holy Spirit is the spirit/power of God and of Christ Jesus rather than a separate person in the Godhead. God 'the Father' and Jesus Christ are viewed as distinct 'God beings' in the 'God family'
  3. Polytheism in the form of the "God Family"
?
27 posted on 04/18/2013 8:00:29 AM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: DouglasKC

Do you remember the words of Gamaliel when the apostles were brought before the Sandhedrin?

If you do, you would be a member of the denomination (Catholic) that has withstood the test of time and not disappeared.


28 posted on 04/18/2013 8:01:43 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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I'm very proud of my church Cronos and I thank you for highlighting it. But you're doing it in a negative pejorative way!

Negative way, yes. Pejorative, no. I just stated the facts -- Start with Fundamental Beliefs: the UGC is not Christianity for sure, as it is highly deviant and corrupted.

United Church of God believes God is a "family" composed of only Father and Son, and members in "God's Church" who "endure to the end" will, in the first resurrection, become part of this "God family" (a doctrine HWA copied from the Mormons). At that time, they will rule with Christ as spirit beings ("kings and priests") in the Kingdom ("Government") of God on earth in order to teach mankind "God's way of life" which is to bring worldwide peace

United Church of God teaches that they are the "continuation of the one and only true church of God" (tracing their origins to "the church that Jesus founded in the early first century" and following "the same teachings, doctrines and practices established then.").3 What they actually follow are the teachings, doctrines and practices of Herbert W. Armstrong who founded the Worldwide Church of God in 1934e. They believe they are "God's true church" evidenced by their "obedience to God's Laws" and being a "small flock." Members are admonished to "find out where God is working" and to "finish the Work of God" (which members are to support through their tithes and offerings).

29 posted on 04/18/2013 8:02:16 AM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: DouglasKC; Matchett-PI; Texas Eagle; wolfpat; rusty schucklefurd
I looked at your link This is United Churh of God.

Thank you for it. It clears indicates that your UCG is deviant from Christianity, particularly in the way it says that the Holy Spirit is not God.

30 posted on 04/18/2013 8:04:54 AM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: DouglasKC; Matchett-PI; Texas Eagle; wolfpat; rusty schucklefurd
I looked at your link This is United Churh of God.

Thank you for it. It clears indicates that your UCG is deviant from Christianity, particularly in the way it says that the Holy Spirit is not God.

31 posted on 04/18/2013 8:04:58 AM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: Cronos
blah blah blah.... :-)

It's truly a wonder how you want to avoid the content of the article and focus on a teeny tiny organization...

32 posted on 04/18/2013 8:05:52 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
Will your church or minister/false prophet fall by the wayside as these churches and false prophets did?

Reading 1 Acts 5:34-42

A Pharisee in the Sanhedrin named Gamaliel,
a teacher of the law, respected by all the people,
stood up, ordered the Apostles to be put outside for a short time,
and said to the Sanhedrin, “Fellow children of Israel,
be careful what you are about to do to these men.
Some time ago, Theudas appeared, claiming to be someone important,
and about four hundred men joined him, but he was killed,
and all those who were loyal to him
were disbanded and came to nothing.
After him came Judas the Galilean at the time of the census.
He also drew people after him,
but he too perished and all who were loyal to him were scattered.
So now I tell you,
have nothing to do with these men, and let them go.
For if this endeavor or this activity is of human origin,
it will destroy itself.
But if it comes from God, you will not be able to destroy them;
you may even find yourselves fighting against God.”
They were persuaded by him.
After recalling the Apostles, they had them flogged,
ordered them to stop speaking in the name of Jesus,
and dismissed them.
So they left the presence of the Sanhedrin,
rejoicing that they had been found worthy
to suffer dishonor for the sake of the name.
And all day long, both at the temple and in their homes,
they did not stop teaching and proclaiming the Christ, Jesus.

33 posted on 04/18/2013 8:06:55 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: DouglasKC
If you're not around use this to Find a congregation near you

No thank you. I prefer a Christian congregation.

34 posted on 04/18/2013 8:07:21 AM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: DouglasKC
John 6:29 Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

We do good works BECAUSE we are saved, not in order to be saved. Anyone who preaches that good works are going to get them into heaven is a false prophet.

Eph 2:8-9 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God — not by works, so that no one can boast.

35 posted on 04/18/2013 8:08:18 AM PDT by MEGoody (You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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Mega-Churches. Prosperity preachers. Who says “Give to God and He’ll give you money and jobs and a new car and a new house.....”? A bunch of “preachers” say it all the time!


36 posted on 04/18/2013 8:08:42 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: Salvation
And all day long, both at the temple and in their homes, they did not stop teaching and proclaiming the Christ, Jesus.

I know I won't stop doing this sister!

37 posted on 04/18/2013 8:09:43 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Cronos
No thank you. I prefer a Christian congregation.

Are Episcopalians Christian?

38 posted on 04/18/2013 8:10:42 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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Cronos: United Church of God believes God is a "family" composed of only Father and Son, and members in "God's Church" who "endure to the end" will, in the first resurrection, become part of this "God family" (a doctrine HWA copied from the Mormons). At that time, they will rule with Christ as spirit beings ("kings and priests") in the Kingdom ("Government") of God on earth in order to teach mankind "God's way of life" which is to bring worldwide peace

Doug:blah blah blah.... :-)

It's truly a wonder how you want to avoid the content of the article and focus on a teeny tiny organization...

blah, blah -- that's what you think of your UCG?

39 posted on 04/18/2013 8:11:02 AM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: VerySadAmerican
Mega-Churches. Prosperity preachers. Who says “Give to God and He’ll give you money and jobs and a new car and a new house.....”? A bunch of “preachers” say it all the time!

Exactly!

Christ would be way busy turning out the money changers if he were on earth today.

Not only this but there's an entire segment of commercialism engaged in selling Christianity for profit...

40 posted on 04/18/2013 8:12:37 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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Episcopalians are deviant Christians, but their Trinitarian Chrisotology is as of now Christian. The UCG by saying that the Holy Spirit is not God, is not Christian, sorry

The UCG is in the same bucket as the Jehovah's Witnesses or Mormons -- religions that take some aspects of Christianity that they pick and choose, but they are not Christians.

41 posted on 04/18/2013 8:12:39 AM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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blah, blah -- that's what you think of your UCG?

Seriously....are we going to resort to 3rd grade insults here.... :-)

42 posted on 04/18/2013 8:13:33 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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They don't shy away from it. It is a frequent topic. Among “Fire and Brimstone” preachers and “Holy Rollers” it is almost the exclusive topic.

I don't need to listen to “the haters” to realize that you translate “many” as “almost all” as to who has been deceived by false prophets; or to realize that you think the vast majority of all Christians who have ever lived have been “counterfeit” - except for a very recent very small sect.

Must make you feel oh so special! Like the cancer patient who gets “the cure” down in Mexico that American medicine doesn't want you to know about!!!

43 posted on 04/18/2013 8:14:43 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: DouglasKC

They don’t shy away from it. It is a frequent topic. Among “Fire and Brimstone” preachers and “Holy Rollers” it is almost the exclusive topic.

I don’t need to listen to “the haters” to realize that you translate “many” as “almost all” as to who has been deceived by false prophets; or to realize that you think the vast majority of all Christians who have ever lived have been “counterfeit” - except for a very recent very small sect.

Must make you feel oh so special! Like the cancer patient who gets “the cure” down in Mexico that American medicine doesn’t want you to know about!!!


44 posted on 04/18/2013 8:15:11 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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doug: Not only this but there's an entire segment of commercialism engaged in selling Christianity for profi

True, and Doug, in your United C of G (an organization that denies the Trinity by stating that the Holy Spirit is not God) does the following:once ensnared within Herbert Armstrong's "one true church," members were commanded to save more than a first tithe. There was a second and third tithe to be paid, plus seven holy day offerings a year, as well as numerous other "needs" such as a building fund and emergencies.

UCG members likewise are told it is biblical to pay headquarters a first tithe on their net income (along with offerings) for the "furtherance of the Work." To fail to do so is considered "stealing from God,"

A third tithe is paid every 3rd year out of seven, and while they will give a lengthy explanation about who is ineligible to pay this tithe, members are still "encouraged" to give a third tithe to the "Church's Assistance Fund." (Ministers claim they are part of the Levitical priesthood and do not have to pay 2nd or 3rd tithes.)

So, sorry, but casting stones....?

45 posted on 04/18/2013 8:16:26 AM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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Episcopalians are deviant Christians, but their Trinitarian Chrisotology is as of now Christian.

Oh...let me get this right. They can teach almost anything that goes against God, his commandments and scripture but as LONG as they have "We believe in the trinity" in their statement of belief you think they're NOT part of a false Christianity.

How far exactly could they go? Supporting abortion? Supporting adultery?

I'm amazed...

46 posted on 04/18/2013 8:16:36 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Cronos

Some cannot accept that their church is into modernism — a heresy — can they?


47 posted on 04/18/2013 8:16:48 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: DouglasKC

Actually YOU are the one who said “blah blah blah.... :-)” when I posted excerpts of what your United C of G teaches....


48 posted on 04/18/2013 8:17:26 AM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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So, sorry, but casting stones....?

Sorry, but tithing and selling are not the same thing my friend...

49 posted on 04/18/2013 8:19:24 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Cronos
Amazingly -- from yesterday's thread.

Catholic
Almanac:
Wednesday, April 17
Liturgical Color: White

Pope Pius X gave an address to new cardinals on this day in 1907, in which he condemned the heresy of Modernism. This heresy tries to change truths taught by the Church to fit the thinking of the day.

50 posted on 04/18/2013 8:19:33 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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