Posted on 04/18/2013 3:15:23 PM PDT by NYer
Ping!
He's absolutely right about that. I feel it intensely when I'm expecting a baby myself ... that having a baby is an imposition on everyone else in the world, and they're all upset about it.
I think people would have a much different attitude towards children if common sense parenting and religious upbringing was the norm again. It’s hard to regard children as blessing when they are running in feral packs and shooting up each other and innocents that get in the way. It’s hard when you see the growing up without and self control and the parents do not discipline them at all but beg and trick and appease them into being maybe being tolerable for a few seconds until the ADD behavior kicks in and the next episode begins. It’s hard when they aren’t being instructed properly about God, and you know they aren’t because the parents aren’t acting like biblical parents and the kids are disrespectful to their parents and they are allowed to get away with it. When dad isn’t there. When dad and mom aren’t around.
I think if we were back to the way kids were raised, even just 60 years ago, we’d all be better off and we could see where people could begin to consider them as blessings. Many, many kids are out of control with no real correction by anyone. They are going to be tomorrow’s self-centered liberals, ie they will be everyone’s problems as they get older, and then hit legal adulthood.
“One by one the other Protestant denominations fell, such that today, only Catholic and Orthodox Christians, as well as some Orthodox Jews, are left holding the light of ancient antiquity.”
I think at least some Orthodox say contraception within marriage is OK if they get permission. Amish still teach that BC within marriage is wrong to my understanding, maybe old order Mennonites too.
Freegards
Julian Simon and others have long argued that humans are the ultimate resource. Given our origins I think he’s right and history has proved as much.
That said, I don’t understand the Catholic prohibition on contraceptives. It’s not Biblical. Is it considered a revelation by God through a particular Pope?
Orthodox Jews have the nations highest birthdate , but some may practice contraception for medical reasons with permission .
Unfortunately the posting has some flaws . All the OT citations (other than the be fruitful and multiply ) are obligatory only on Jews. Hence it becomes easy for liberal church denominations to ignore them.
So..... Hmmmmmm...
Where are all the Catolic families with12, 13, 14, 15, 16 kids, like my Amish neighbors?
Or the Gothard “quiver full movement”?
How is this teaching playing out in the lives of members?
There are several branches of reformed christians that reject bc.
I LOVE Psalm 128.....makes me tear up.
Sorry, I should have said some ‘Orthodox Christians’ say bc is ok within marriage if they get permission from their priest. I was talking about the Orthodox Christians.
Freegards
What are they? I have read several articles where individual evangelicals reject bc within marriage, I take it more and more are doing so.
Freegards
Did you read the article?
Is it considered a revelation by God through a particular Pope?
It was the consistent teaching of all Christian Churches until the 1930s. The early Protestant Reformers believed contraception was worse than homosexual sodomy, precisely because it says (through action), "God got it wrong when He created human beings."
Homosexual activity is just gross, like screwing sheep, but contraception is a categorical rejection of God's design of man and woman.
The big families are in my parish. We’re considered the “small” family with ONLY six kids so far. Most of the families have 9-12+ kids.
We're not just sex organs. God did give us brains and we have our free will.
Glad to hear their is some congruence between what is taught and what is lived out.
As an aside, a friend who worked for an Amish farmer one summer, was riding back in a horse-drawn wagon after a hard day of work.
“Amos, how many kids do you have anyway?”
“12”
... pause...
“No, 13!”
True story.
And a memo to my pastor: We're ready for that anti-contraception sermon now...
Great article. Thanks for posting it.
Ditto to my pastor too.
That's right. We are distinctive as male and female in a wide variety of ways which are relevant to many aspects of life.
God did give us brains and we have our free will.
We can use our brains to discern that our created nature includes the fact that, by design, the "cause" of sexual intercourse produces the "effect" of new human beings. We can use our free will to reject that truth and engage in the "cause" behavior while acting to prevent the "effect."
In a similar way, we can engage in the "cause" behavior of eating, while rejecting the "effect" of nutrition, by vomiting the food. This is simple scientific observation, and even the ancient Greeks and Romans understood it. They also understood that a society collapses when enough people live "in the moment" of sexual pleasure while denying the future.
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