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Stephen Hawking lays out case for Big Bang without God
NBC News ^ | 04/19/2013 | Rod Pyle

Posted on 04/19/2013 6:47:05 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

PASADENA, Calif. — Our universe didn't need any divine help to burst into being, famed cosmologist Stephen Hawking told a packed house here at the California Institute of Technology Tuesday night.

Many people had begun queuing up for free tickets to Hawking's 8:00 p.m lecture, titled "The Origin of the Universe," 12 hours earlier. By 6:00 p.m. local time, the line was about a quarter-mile long.

A second auditorium and a Jumbotron-equipped lawn, which itself was jammed with an estimated 1,000 viewers, were needed to handle the crowd. At least one person was observed offering $1,000 for a ticket, with no success.

Stephen Hawking began the event by reciting an African creation myth, and rapidly moved on to big questions such as, Why are we here?

He noted that many people still seek a divine solution to counter the theories of curious physicists, and at one point, he quipped, “What was God doing before the divine creation? Was he preparing hell for people who asked such questions?”

After outlining the historical theological debate about how the universe was created, Hawking gave a quick review of more scientific cosmological explanations, including Fred Hoyle and Thomas Gold’s steady-state theory. This idea hypothesizes that there is no beginning and no end and that galaxies continue to form from spontaneously created matter.

Hawking said this theory and several other ideas don't hold up, citing recent observations by space telescopes and other instruments.

After giving a brief historical background on relativistic physics and cosmology, Hawking discussed the idea of a repeating Big Bang. He noted that in the 1980s, he and physicist Roger Penrose proved the universe could not “bounce” when it contracted, as had been theorized.

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TOPICS: Current Events; Religion & Science; Skeptics/Seekers; Theology
KEYWORDS: bigbang; god; hawking; stephenhawking
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Therefore, time began at the moment of singularity, and this has likely occurred only once, Hawking said. The age of the universe — now believed to be about 13.8 billion years — fits that model, as the number and maturity of observed galaxies seem to fit in the general scheme.
1 posted on 04/19/2013 6:47:05 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Yeah. Hope that works out for you. But there’s an empty tumb in Jerusalem.


2 posted on 04/19/2013 6:48:22 AM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: SeekAndFind

He still cannot answer the simple question “Who was the prime mover”?


3 posted on 04/19/2013 6:48:52 AM PDT by frogjerk (We are conservatives. Not libertarians, not "fiscal conservatives", not moderates)
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To: SeekAndFind

Sorry I have never been a fan of this so-called genius. I think we are all being played by fools by people who can proclaim he says whatever they want him to say.


4 posted on 04/19/2013 6:50:18 AM PDT by w1andsodidwe (Barrak has now won the contest. He is even worse than Jimmah.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools...

Romans 1:22


5 posted on 04/19/2013 6:50:38 AM PDT by Obadiah (High speed, low drag.)
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To: frogjerk

Would love to see this clown debate, say, Chuck Missler....


6 posted on 04/19/2013 6:51:27 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: frogjerk

Some people strive so hard to prove they are intellectually superior to other men not realizing how truly stupid they are compared to their Creator.


7 posted on 04/19/2013 6:51:52 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: SeekAndFind

Ludicrous maunderings from a benighted soul. Pathetic little Steve Hawking will appear before the judgment seat of the Almighty God, who created all the universe with the power of His creating Word: “Let there be.....”


8 posted on 04/19/2013 6:52:19 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: SeekAndFind

IMHO...Stephen Hawking is a fraud. Kinda like Weekend AT Bernie’s.


9 posted on 04/19/2013 6:53:21 AM PDT by deweyfrank
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To: SeekAndFind
the leftists want us to believe anything these scientists tell us . they want us to think that they are so smart, never biased etc. Yeah sure look at global warming and how many scientists faked research and were wrong about that hoax.

it's just another way to control us.”scientists are so much smarter than you and know so much more than you so you have to believe everything they say now shut up and do as your told and don't question us nor scientists”.

I say. your global warming was a hoax and you all are a hoax too. Yeah well go jump in the lake socialist scientist idiot freaks

10 posted on 04/19/2013 6:53:34 AM PDT by Democrat_media (Mary Landrieu voted for the UN to take away our 2nd amendment rights)
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To: SeekAndFind

God to Hawking: Who is this that darkens counsel by words without knowledge?

Now gird up your loins like a man and I will ask you and you instruct Me!


11 posted on 04/19/2013 6:54:43 AM PDT by ealgeone (obama, border)
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To: SeekAndFind
The age of the Universe - now "BELIEVED" to be ABOUT 13.8 billion years old.

Well, gee, if you're THAT sure about it....

Sheesh. One day it's 4 billion years old, the next day it's 6 billion years old. One day Pluto is a planet, the next day it's not.

Why, exactly, are we supposed to take what these people say as, ahem, the gospel?

12 posted on 04/19/2013 6:54:46 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: SeekAndFind

Until the atheist can tell us where matter and time came from, they don’t know if there is a God or not, but in their religion there isn’t.

What ticks me off about atheists is that they then claim those that believe in God are not capable of being scientists and never have been scientists, yet, most scientific discoveries have been made by people of faith.

Atheists fail to understand that having faith does not magically prevent a person from wanting to know about the universe around us.


13 posted on 04/19/2013 6:54:56 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: frogjerk
He still cannot answer the simple question “Who was the prime mover”?

The universe does not necessarily behave in accordance with the human concept of cause and effect.

Especially since the human concept of cause and effect is just that--a concept, useful for everyday human thinking, but a concept that may have no basis in reality.

14 posted on 04/19/2013 6:56:22 AM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: SeekAndFind

The Godless atheist can never answer a few really foundational questions: like what IS time? And what do we call whatever there is one second BEFORE time and one second AFTER time? And what is space? What is there one inch beyond the end of space? As humans, we can not even ask these questions properly - let alone ANSWER them. The answer is, well, GOD. “I am that I am.”

Takes more “blind faith” to be atheist than to be Christian....


15 posted on 04/19/2013 6:56:30 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: SeekAndFind

SH: “What was God doing before the divine creation? Was he preparing hell for people who asked such questions?”

God, in His infinite wisdom and love for us, did indeed prepare a place for those who, of their own free will, desire to deny Him and spend eternity apart from Him.

You’ll be getting what you wish for, Stephen. I am sad for you. You were dealt a difficult set of circumstances physically and given an awesome intellect to compensate.

Intellect aside, it’s “the fool [who] hath said in his heart, There is no God.”


16 posted on 04/19/2013 6:56:32 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: SeekAndFind
This idea hypothesizes that there is no beginning and no end

Completely at odds with the Alpha and Omega, Dr Hawkings. Your choice, of course. Glad you have all the answers.

17 posted on 04/19/2013 6:56:49 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: SeekAndFind

I remember reading an article recently about how most in whatever-field-he’s-in believe Hawking is all washed up, and frankly, nuts.


18 posted on 04/19/2013 7:00:32 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: SeekAndFind

He has ALS, thus his theories carry far more weight in a culture of victim-worship than they would otherwise.


19 posted on 04/19/2013 7:01:06 AM PDT by Spirochete (Sic transit gloria mundi)
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To: ealgeone

Nice application of God’s monologue to Job.


20 posted on 04/19/2013 7:03:44 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: SeekAndFind

And so, Dr. Hawkins, what do you suggest it was like a few seconds BEFORE the Big Bang? Your theory suggests there was nothing. And so, what do you suggest caused it to go from nothing to something?


21 posted on 04/19/2013 7:04:28 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: SeekAndFind

All pure theoretical scientists are, in truth, poets. Their theories are attempts to explain reality but our advanced science of today is primitive compared to what it will be in the next 200 years. I believe in God but our visions of Him are laughable compared to His reality.


22 posted on 04/19/2013 7:06:11 AM PDT by HChampagne
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To: CodeToad

Quite the contrary. Sadly, they’ve convinced a generation of Christian to remain in ignorance.


23 posted on 04/19/2013 7:06:52 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: demshateGod

“they’ve convinced a generation of Christian to remain in ignorance.”

Ignorance of what?


24 posted on 04/19/2013 7:07:49 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: CodeToad

Precisely.

Time is infinite. They cannot comprehend it being infinite, so they create a silly hypothesis that time doesn’t exist when they say it doesn’t exist.

They set aside the fundamental rule of science that matter cannot be created nor destroyed, in order to answer the “where did it come from” question.

We as humans cannot fathom the infinite and there is no way to explain how matter could have always existed nor how matter was suddenly created.

The issue of infinite space is also ignored because it just cannot be fathomed. There is no reason to believe that the grand sum of matter derived from the big bang (if there was one). If there was one point where compressed matter reached critical mass and exploded, there could be millions, after all, we have no explanation for where the matter came from to begin with. In fact, why would we think that critical mass would only occur at 100% of available matter was available? Instead of the “faster than the speed of light” explanations for early expansion, it would make more sense that there was still matter in the process of collapsing, when the big bang occurred.

Perhaps our visible universe is just a popping kernel in a kettle of popcorn, where “big bangs” hurl matter at each other, until it coalesces and pops again.


25 posted on 04/19/2013 7:07:55 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SeekAndFind
I know Hawking is supposed to be extremely intelligent, he seems to be quite the moron to me. He is a person of great faith, but is terrified to admit it.

It takes a great deal of faith to believe that matter/energy always existed and were, at one point, a very dense "ball". Then for some reason no one understands, the "ball" that was compacted for who knows how long, suddenly exploded. From that explosion came all the heavenly bodies as well as human beings.

Want to believe that? Fine. Just be brave enough to admit it requires faith to hold such a belief.

26 posted on 04/19/2013 7:09:20 AM PDT by MEGoody (You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: SeekAndFind
“What was God doing before the divine creation? Was he preparing hell for people who asked such questions?”

Hawkins wants to be God's keeper - where was He? what was He doing? Humans are pathetic, especially those who think they are superior scholastically. And not surprised his thought is on hell.

"The wise will be put to shame; they will be dismayed and trapped. Since they have rejected the Word of the LORD, what kind of wisdom do they have?" Jeremiah 8:9

"Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?" 1 Corinthians 1:20

27 posted on 04/19/2013 7:10:29 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: SeekAndFind

In the beginning there were grapefruits. And then they exploded into the M-Verse where all things are possible with the exception of God. So it was written, so it was said.


28 posted on 04/19/2013 7:13:47 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: SeekAndFind

Einstein - “I’m not an atheist and I don’t think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangements of the books, but doesn’t know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God.”


29 posted on 04/19/2013 7:15:22 AM PDT by Family Guy (A society's first line of defense is not the law but customs, traditions and moral values. -Williams)
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RE: And so, Dr. Hawkins, what do you suggest it was like a few seconds BEFORE the Big Bang? Your theory suggests there was nothing. And so, what do you suggest caused it to go from nothing to something?

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In his lecture, Hawking outlined the “M-theory,” which is based partly on ideas put forward years ago by another famed physicist, Caltech’s Richard Feynman. Hawking sees that theory as the only big idea that really explains what he has observed.

M-theory posits that multiple universes are created out of nothing, Hawking explained, with many possible histories and many possible states of existence.

In only a few of these states would life be possible, and in fewer still could something like humanity exist. Hawking mentioned that he felt fortunate to be living in this state of existence.

Hawking closed the event with a familiar plea for continued exploration of the cosmos: “We must continue to go into space for the future of humanity,” he said, adding, “I don’t think we will survive another thousand years without escaping our fragile planet.”


30 posted on 04/19/2013 7:15:41 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SampleMan
Time is infinite.

I'll go you one better. Quantam physics and other studies are showing that time speeds up and slows down, and that ultimately time and space are the same dimension. All of the ultimate truths about time and space are simply beyond a human beings ability to comprehend. Science is slowly catching up to the Bible, with discoveries in science bringing more and more scripture into perspective. I don't really understand time, space ,or the Trinity - but I fear the ONE who DOES.

31 posted on 04/19/2013 7:16:31 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: SeekAndFind
Hawking....Here's your problem. You have never created anything. You're jealous and life has been an ego trip.

Despite that, I feel bad about your physical problems.

32 posted on 04/19/2013 7:16:42 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: SeekAndFind
A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word 'darkness' on the walls of his cell.

-CS Lewis
33 posted on 04/19/2013 7:17:13 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: CodeToad

I guess what I’m talking about can be illustrated by comparing Christian writings of the 19th century to Christian writings of the 20th century. Compare the quality of education of Harvard (when it was a school of theology) to modern schools of theology. Music is the best example of the slide toward ignorance. Christians used to be the most educated.

As the universities adopted atheism as their core curriculum, Christians have naturally eschewed higher education. When I tell people at church I’m going to graduate school they always feel obliged to warn me, as if I shouldn’t bother.


34 posted on 04/19/2013 7:17:39 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: norwaypinesavage

What is the space between matter in the universe if not nothing?


35 posted on 04/19/2013 7:17:43 AM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Sorry Steve Hawkings you are definitely wrong. I am who I am - God. Just wait Stevie boy I, God will show you my omnipresence.


36 posted on 04/19/2013 7:20:03 AM PDT by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: SeekAndFind
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38 posted on 04/19/2013 7:21:11 AM PDT by ZX12R (Never forget the heroes of Benghazi, who were abandoned to their deaths by Obama)
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To: jsanders2001

Right. Hawkins is putting his eternity against ‘his smarts’ and became a fool. He’s mentally challenged to even ‘get’ that the Supernatural reigns over the natural - and that’s what he’s been ‘trying to do’ - to make himself superior to God. Satan ‘tried’ also.


39 posted on 04/19/2013 7:21:52 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: SeekAndFind
"M-theory posits that multiple universes are created out of nothing"

And so, Mr Seekandfind, what do you suggest causes them to go from nothing to something?

40 posted on 04/19/2013 7:22:20 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: norwaypinesavage

Hey, you’re asking the wrong person. I was just quoting Dr. Hawking.


41 posted on 04/19/2013 7:24:09 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: ZX12R; exit82b

Ping to Post 38, and creative use of Legos.


42 posted on 04/19/2013 7:24:25 AM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Big Bang theory is actually falling apart. Latest fad in physics is poking holes in it.


43 posted on 04/19/2013 7:24:33 AM PDT by DManA
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To: SeekAndFind

The Big Bang theory is actually falling apart. Latest fad in physics is poking holes in it.


44 posted on 04/19/2013 7:24:34 AM PDT by DManA
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To: norwaypinesavage
Q: what do you suggest caused it to go from nothing to something?

Their answer to that question is the most irrational response possible ... nothing; nothing caused nothing to go from nothing to something.

A sophomore in mathematics would tear him a new one.

45 posted on 04/19/2013 7:26:05 AM PDT by dartuser (My firearm is not illegal ... its undocumented.)
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RE: The Big Bang theory is actually falling apart. Latest fad in physics is poking holes in it.

So, what theory is taking its place?


46 posted on 04/19/2013 7:27:36 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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The problem with Hawking’s supposition is that there never truly was NOTHING in the beginning.


47 posted on 04/19/2013 7:34:08 AM PDT by Arkansas Toothpick
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To: SeekAndFind

From what (little) I understand the classical interpretation of the red shift is really getting hammered.

Probably the most popular alternative is the cyclical universe where it contracts to a tiny ( but not infinity small volume ) only to re-expand.


48 posted on 04/19/2013 7:37:45 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Texas Eagle
Why, exactly, are we supposed to take what these people say as, ahem, the gospel?

We aren't. They only show us what a person with a depraved mind 'thinks' and then it comes out of his mouth. They show us how the "I'm so smart" is really a fool. Amazing, isn't it - how they appear as one thing to the 'world'/natural and - they are the exact opposite in God's Kingdom/Supernatural.

Hawkins gets an "F" in mathematics. 70 or 90 years to him appears to be greater than eternity.

49 posted on 04/19/2013 7:38:04 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: SeekAndFind

How’s about we start with “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth”?

Sometimes we find what we seek right in front of us, the most obvious answer to the question (Occams Razor).

Old saying, “if you hear hoof beats, think horses not zebras (unless you are in Africa)”.

Best;


50 posted on 04/19/2013 7:38:37 AM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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