Skip to comments.Stephen Hawking lays out case for Big Bang without God
Posted on 04/19/2013 6:47:05 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
PASADENA, Calif. Our universe didn't need any divine help to burst into being, famed cosmologist Stephen Hawking told a packed house here at the California Institute of Technology Tuesday night.
Many people had begun queuing up for free tickets to Hawking's 8:00 p.m lecture, titled "The Origin of the Universe," 12 hours earlier. By 6:00 p.m. local time, the line was about a quarter-mile long.
A second auditorium and a Jumbotron-equipped lawn, which itself was jammed with an estimated 1,000 viewers, were needed to handle the crowd. At least one person was observed offering $1,000 for a ticket, with no success.
Stephen Hawking began the event by reciting an African creation myth, and rapidly moved on to big questions such as, Why are we here?
He noted that many people still seek a divine solution to counter the theories of curious physicists, and at one point, he quipped, What was God doing before the divine creation? Was he preparing hell for people who asked such questions?
After outlining the historical theological debate about how the universe was created, Hawking gave a quick review of more scientific cosmological explanations, including Fred Hoyle and Thomas Golds steady-state theory. This idea hypothesizes that there is no beginning and no end and that galaxies continue to form from spontaneously created matter.
Hawking said this theory and several other ideas don't hold up, citing recent observations by space telescopes and other instruments.
After giving a brief historical background on relativistic physics and cosmology, Hawking discussed the idea of a repeating Big Bang. He noted that in the 1980s, he and physicist Roger Penrose proved the universe could not bounce when it contracted, as had been theorized.
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Yeah. Hope that works out for you. But there’s an empty tumb in Jerusalem.
He still cannot answer the simple question “Who was the prime mover”?
Sorry I have never been a fan of this so-called genius. I think we are all being played by fools by people who can proclaim he says whatever they want him to say.
Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools...
Would love to see this clown debate, say, Chuck Missler....
Some people strive so hard to prove they are intellectually superior to other men not realizing how truly stupid they are compared to their Creator.
Ludicrous maunderings from a benighted soul. Pathetic little Steve Hawking will appear before the judgment seat of the Almighty God, who created all the universe with the power of His creating Word: “Let there be.....”
IMHO...Stephen Hawking is a fraud. Kinda like Weekend AT Bernie’s.
it's just another way to control us.”scientists are so much smarter than you and know so much more than you so you have to believe everything they say now shut up and do as your told and don't question us nor scientists”.
I say. your global warming was a hoax and you all are a hoax too. Yeah well go jump in the lake socialist scientist idiot freaks
God to Hawking: Who is this that darkens counsel by words without knowledge?
Now gird up your loins like a man and I will ask you and you instruct Me!
Well, gee, if you're THAT sure about it....
Sheesh. One day it's 4 billion years old, the next day it's 6 billion years old. One day Pluto is a planet, the next day it's not.
Why, exactly, are we supposed to take what these people say as, ahem, the gospel?
Until the atheist can tell us where matter and time came from, they don’t know if there is a God or not, but in their religion there isn’t.
What ticks me off about atheists is that they then claim those that believe in God are not capable of being scientists and never have been scientists, yet, most scientific discoveries have been made by people of faith.
Atheists fail to understand that having faith does not magically prevent a person from wanting to know about the universe around us.
The universe does not necessarily behave in accordance with the human concept of cause and effect.
Especially since the human concept of cause and effect is just that--a concept, useful for everyday human thinking, but a concept that may have no basis in reality.
The Godless atheist can never answer a few really foundational questions: like what IS time? And what do we call whatever there is one second BEFORE time and one second AFTER time? And what is space? What is there one inch beyond the end of space? As humans, we can not even ask these questions properly - let alone ANSWER them. The answer is, well, GOD. “I am that I am.”
Takes more “blind faith” to be atheist than to be Christian....
SH: What was God doing before the divine creation? Was he preparing hell for people who asked such questions?
God, in His infinite wisdom and love for us, did indeed prepare a place for those who, of their own free will, desire to deny Him and spend eternity apart from Him.
You’ll be getting what you wish for, Stephen. I am sad for you. You were dealt a difficult set of circumstances physically and given an awesome intellect to compensate.
Intellect aside, it’s “the fool [who] hath said in his heart, There is no God.”
Completely at odds with the Alpha and Omega, Dr Hawkings. Your choice, of course. Glad you have all the answers.
I remember reading an article recently about how most in whatever-field-he’s-in believe Hawking is all washed up, and frankly, nuts.
He has ALS, thus his theories carry far more weight in a culture of victim-worship than they would otherwise.
Nice application of God’s monologue to Job.
And so, Dr. Hawkins, what do you suggest it was like a few seconds BEFORE the Big Bang? Your theory suggests there was nothing. And so, what do you suggest caused it to go from nothing to something?
All pure theoretical scientists are, in truth, poets. Their theories are attempts to explain reality but our advanced science of today is primitive compared to what it will be in the next 200 years. I believe in God but our visions of Him are laughable compared to His reality.
Quite the contrary. Sadly, they’ve convinced a generation of Christian to remain in ignorance.
“theyve convinced a generation of Christian to remain in ignorance.”
Ignorance of what?
Time is infinite. They cannot comprehend it being infinite, so they create a silly hypothesis that time doesn’t exist when they say it doesn’t exist.
They set aside the fundamental rule of science that matter cannot be created nor destroyed, in order to answer the “where did it come from” question.
We as humans cannot fathom the infinite and there is no way to explain how matter could have always existed nor how matter was suddenly created.
The issue of infinite space is also ignored because it just cannot be fathomed. There is no reason to believe that the grand sum of matter derived from the big bang (if there was one). If there was one point where compressed matter reached critical mass and exploded, there could be millions, after all, we have no explanation for where the matter came from to begin with. In fact, why would we think that critical mass would only occur at 100% of available matter was available? Instead of the “faster than the speed of light” explanations for early expansion, it would make more sense that there was still matter in the process of collapsing, when the big bang occurred.
Perhaps our visible universe is just a popping kernel in a kettle of popcorn, where “big bangs” hurl matter at each other, until it coalesces and pops again.
It takes a great deal of faith to believe that matter/energy always existed and were, at one point, a very dense "ball". Then for some reason no one understands, the "ball" that was compacted for who knows how long, suddenly exploded. From that explosion came all the heavenly bodies as well as human beings.
Want to believe that? Fine. Just be brave enough to admit it requires faith to hold such a belief.
Hawkins wants to be God's keeper - where was He? what was He doing? Humans are pathetic, especially those who think they are superior scholastically. And not surprised his thought is on hell.
"The wise will be put to shame; they will be dismayed and trapped. Since they have rejected the Word of the LORD, what kind of wisdom do they have?" Jeremiah 8:9
"Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?" 1 Corinthians 1:20
In the beginning there were grapefruits. And then they exploded into the M-Verse where all things are possible with the exception of God. So it was written, so it was said.
Einstein - “I’m not an atheist and I don’t think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangements of the books, but doesn’t know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God.”
RE: And so, Dr. Hawkins, what do you suggest it was like a few seconds BEFORE the Big Bang? Your theory suggests there was nothing. And so, what do you suggest caused it to go from nothing to something?
In his lecture, Hawking outlined the “M-theory,” which is based partly on ideas put forward years ago by another famed physicist, Caltechs Richard Feynman. Hawking sees that theory as the only big idea that really explains what he has observed.
M-theory posits that multiple universes are created out of nothing, Hawking explained, with many possible histories and many possible states of existence.
In only a few of these states would life be possible, and in fewer still could something like humanity exist. Hawking mentioned that he felt fortunate to be living in this state of existence.
Hawking closed the event with a familiar plea for continued exploration of the cosmos: We must continue to go into space for the future of humanity, he said, adding, I dont think we will survive another thousand years without escaping our fragile planet.
I'll go you one better. Quantam physics and other studies are showing that time speeds up and slows down, and that ultimately time and space are the same dimension. All of the ultimate truths about time and space are simply beyond a human beings ability to comprehend. Science is slowly catching up to the Bible, with discoveries in science bringing more and more scripture into perspective. I don't really understand time, space ,or the Trinity - but I fear the ONE who DOES.
Despite that, I feel bad about your physical problems.
I guess what I’m talking about can be illustrated by comparing Christian writings of the 19th century to Christian writings of the 20th century. Compare the quality of education of Harvard (when it was a school of theology) to modern schools of theology. Music is the best example of the slide toward ignorance. Christians used to be the most educated.
As the universities adopted atheism as their core curriculum, Christians have naturally eschewed higher education. When I tell people at church I’m going to graduate school they always feel obliged to warn me, as if I shouldn’t bother.
What is the space between matter in the universe if not nothing?
Sorry Steve Hawkings you are definitely wrong. I am who I am - God. Just wait Stevie boy I, God will show you my omnipresence.
Right. Hawkins is putting his eternity against ‘his smarts’ and became a fool. He’s mentally challenged to even ‘get’ that the Supernatural reigns over the natural - and that’s what he’s been ‘trying to do’ - to make himself superior to God. Satan ‘tried’ also.
And so, Mr Seekandfind, what do you suggest causes them to go from nothing to something?
Hey, you’re asking the wrong person. I was just quoting Dr. Hawking.
Ping to Post 38, and creative use of Legos.
The Big Bang theory is actually falling apart. Latest fad in physics is poking holes in it.
The Big Bang theory is actually falling apart. Latest fad in physics is poking holes in it.
Their answer to that question is the most irrational response possible ... nothing; nothing caused nothing to go from nothing to something.
A sophomore in mathematics would tear him a new one.
RE: The Big Bang theory is actually falling apart. Latest fad in physics is poking holes in it.
So, what theory is taking its place?
The problem with Hawking’s supposition is that there never truly was NOTHING in the beginning.
From what (little) I understand the classical interpretation of the red shift is really getting hammered.
Probably the most popular alternative is the cyclical universe where it contracts to a tiny ( but not infinity small volume ) only to re-expand.
We aren't. They only show us what a person with a depraved mind 'thinks' and then it comes out of his mouth. They show us how the "I'm so smart" is really a fool. Amazing, isn't it - how they appear as one thing to the 'world'/natural and - they are the exact opposite in God's Kingdom/Supernatural.
Hawkins gets an "F" in mathematics. 70 or 90 years to him appears to be greater than eternity.
How’s about we start with “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth”?
Sometimes we find what we seek right in front of us, the most obvious answer to the question (Occams Razor).
Old saying, “if you hear hoof beats, think horses not zebras (unless you are in Africa)”.