Posted on 04/22/2013 8:27:35 PM PDT by Salvation
Repost, since the first came out so weird:
“Martin Luther unilaterally removed seven books from the Bible”
FYI: “It is a simple historical fact that Luther’s translation of the Bible contained all of its books. Luther began translating the New Testament in 1521, and released a finished version in 1522. He published sections of the Old Testament as he finished them. He finished the entire Bible by 1534. During these years, various incomplete editions were released. Some Protestants might be surprised to learn that Luther also translated the Apocrypha. The editors of Luther’s Works explain, “In keeping with early Christian tradition, Luther also included the Apocrypha of the Old Testament. Sorting them out of the canonical books, he appended them at the end of the Old Testament with the caption, ‘These books are not held equal to the Scriptures, but are useful and good to read.”
http://tquid.sharpens.org/Luther_%20canon.htm#a2
“subtracted verses from others, and changed the wording of yet more.”
Aha! So maybe it was Luther who wrote in the Angel of the Lord teaching and recommending witchcraft:
Tob 6 [2] Then the young man went down to wash himself. A fish leaped up from the river and would have swallowed the young man; [3] and the angel said to him, “Catch the fish.” So the young man seized the fish and threw it up on the land. [4] Then the angel said to him, “Cut open the fish and take the heart and liver and gall and put them away safely.” [5] So the young man did as the angel told him; and they roasted and ate the fish. And they both continued on their way until they came near to Ecbatana. [6] Then the young man said to the angel, “Brother Azarias, of what use is the liver and heart and gall of the fish?” [7] He replied, “As for the heart and liver, if a demon or evil spirit gives trouble to any one, you make a smoke from these before the man or woman, and that person will never be troubled again. [8] And as for the gall, anoint with it a man who has white films in his eyes, and he will be cured.”
Ah, how sad! For how many years have you been burning fish guts and anointing people with it on the basis of Luther’s mistranslation? I bet it was Luther who also mushed up history here and retranslated Judith like so:
Judith 1:5, “Now in the twelfth year of his reign, Nabuchodonosor, king of the Assyrians, who reigned in Ninve the great city, fought against Arphaxad and overcame him.”
Everyone knows Nubuchadnezzer was king of Babylon and ruled there, NOT in Ninveh as the King of Assyria. Silly Luther, messing up the Romanist Apocrypha!!! He must have struck again in Baruch when he changed “70 years” to 7 GENERATIONS:
Baruch 6:2, “And when you are come into Babylon, you shall be there many years, and for a long time, even to seven generations: and after that I will bring you away from thence with peace.”
Everyone knows it was 70 years! How many years have you been confused about this thanks to Luther’s revision? Ohhh, and here’s another one. He wrote this into Maccabees to get us to mistrust the information in it!
“I also will here make an end of my narration. Which if I have done well, and as it becometh the history, it is what I desired: but if not so perfectly, it must be pardoned me” (2 Maccabees 15:28, 39)
Wow, what CANONICAL SCRIPTURE (cuz the Roman Church declared that that’s what they are) would declare it might have ERRORS? Obviously this was evil Luther’s doing!!!
“for why else do we have so many denominations?”
Yes, like the Roman Catholic Church. How come they split off from “Pope” Gregory and the other Bishops to declare the primacy of ROME over everybody?
“Without confidence given to us by an authority divinely granted,”
Oops, there’s no reason to be confident about the Roman authority of a Pope who is a murderer and adulterer who gets killed because he was caught in bed with another man’s wife, like Pope John XII for example.
I’m going to have to trust the Word of God on this one and “study to shew [myself] approved” instead of letting Rome do my thinking for me (2 Tim 2:15).
And if there are no responses to this post, that is no further references to the contents of the post (as happens all the time), will you then promise to cease this practice of cutting and pasting lengthy fragments from god only knows where, that no one here ever reads? Thank you too much.
“will you then promise to cease this practice of cutting and pasting lengthy fragments from god only knows where, that no one here ever reads? Thank you too much.”
Sorry, I’m going to post it every time it comes up, precisely because no Papist can read it without having a fit or going blind!
No one ever reads these excerpts (and not only yours, can you get that to your skull? You are serving only yourself and persuading no one! Masturbation and posturing.
“Does the Bible ban cloning? What does the Bible say about in vitro fertilization? What about biblical teachings on birth control or when life begins?”
Isn’t the Roman claim that their tradition isn’t NEW, but was passed down by the Apostles from day-one forever and ever?
So, did the TRADITIONS of the Apostles talk about CLONING, or in-vitro fertilization, 2,000 years before it happened?
And why can’t we look at the Bible and read about marriage between a man and a woman to become “one flesh”, or read about Jeremiah or Christians being foreknown and predestinated by God before the foundation of the world, and not come to a conclusion against abortion or other weird stuff?
“No one ever reads these excerpts”
Apparently you did, since you’re desperately asking me to stop posting them.
So, I’ll keep on doing what I’m doing!
“Read the Holy Bible with attention and honesty and you, too, will be Catholic like me”
I did that, but instead of feeling compelled to bow to statues of Mary, I bowed down to God.
Bowing to God is good. So, are you Catholic now?
“Bowing to God is good.
Bowing down to statues is bad.
Love the Scripture. Ever wonder how all those books got preserved and brought together?
Don’t forget the Real Presence in the Eucharist.
Also, do not mention Chick at all - the subject is banned altogether.
“There are not more than 100 people in the world who truly hate the Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they perceive to be the Catholic Church. ....As a matter of fact, if we Catholics believed all of the untruths and lies which were said against the Church, we probably would hate the Church a thousand times more than they do.”
Bishop Fulton Sheen
"Who does not know that the holy Church is founded on the solidity of the Chief Apostle, whose name expressed his firmness, being called Peter from Petra (Rock)?...Though there were many Apostles, only the See of the Prince of the Apostles...received supreme authority in virtue of its very principate." (Letter to the Patriarch Eulogius of Alexandria, Ep. 7)
And also in Epistle 13.50, he speaks of:
"the Apostolic See, which is the head of all Churches"
“”Who does not know that the holy Church is founded on the solidity of the Chief Apostle, whose name expressed his firmness, being called Peter from Petra (Rock)?...Though there were many Apostles, only the See of the Prince of the Apostles...received supreme authority in virtue of its very principate.” (Letter to the Patriarch Eulogius of Alexandria, Ep. 7)”
Key words, the See of Peter in THREE places, governed with divine authority by three Bishops, who are yet “one” see, which is Antioch, Rome and Alexandria. We’re not talking about the Primacy of Peter, which they had believed at that time, but the Primacy of Rome.
Some clarification is required with regard to your question. By "tradition", the Catholic Church is referring to oral communication. In Mark 13:31, we read that heaven and earth will pass away, but Jesus' Word will not pass away. But Jesus never says anything about His Word being entirely committed to a book. Also, it took 400 years to compile the Bible, and another 1,000 years to invent the printing press. How was the Word of God communicated? Orally, by the bishops of the Church, with the guidance and protection of the Holy Spirit.
Since the Bible does not directly address issues such as contraception, IVF, cloning and other technologically advanced methods for procreation, each non-catholic church is left to its own devices to formulate an opinion. On the other hand, every papal encyclical is directly sourced to Scripture. This supports the need for a Magisterium to interpret Scripture and provide christians with a clear instruction based on the Word of God. To cite an example, consider this extract from HUMANAE VITAE, Pope JPII's Encyclical on the regulation of birth.
Neither is it valid to argue, as a justification for sexual intercourse which is deliberately contraceptive, that a lesser evil is to be preferred to a greater one, or that such intercourse would merge with procreative acts of past and future to form a single entity, and so be qualified by exactly the same moral goodness as these. Though it is true that sometimes it is lawful to tolerate a lesser moral evil in order to avoid a greater evil or in order to promote a greater good," it is never lawful, even for the gravest reasons, to do evil that good may come of it (See Rom 3. 8)—in other words, to intend directly something which of its very nature contradicts the moral order, and which must therefore be judged unworthy of man, even though the intention is to protect or promote the welfare of an individual, of a family or of society in general. Consequently, it is a serious error to think that a whole married life of otherwise normal relations can justify sexual intercourse which is deliberately contraceptive and so intrinsically wrong.
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