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CENSORED in America: MSNBC INTERVIEW WITH Cardinal Bergolio
To Me By Email

Posted on 04/23/2013 5:42:19 AM PDT by Portcall24

The following is a transcript of an interview between CHRIS MATHEWS, MSNBC atheist American journalist and then Cardinal Bergolio. It is clear why the interview was never broadcast. I have no idea of the level of authenticity.


TOPICS: Catholic; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: urbanlegend; vanity
CAMERA ON / BEGIN TRANSCRIPT

REPORTER: Welcome Cardinal.

BERGOGLIO: Thank you. Happy to speak with you.

REPORTER: Well, let me get into it directly. Last conclave, you were almost elected Pope. Can this happen again?

BERGOGLIO: What? That I will almost be the Pope, again?

REPORTER: No. Will you be the next Pope?

BERGOGLIO: Friend, I’m only jesting with you. I understand the question. I will not be the next Pope.

REPORTER: Why not?

BERGOGLIO: I chose not to. God has someone else in mind I’m certain.

REPORTER: But you would take the job if it were offered.

BERGOGLIO: I think not.

REPORTER: Why not.

BERGOGLIO: I believe I’m too embroiled in the secular fiasco. It is a spiritual job and I’m a soldier. Look at the nature of power. In Europe first and now in America, elected men have taken it upon themselves to indebt their people to create an atmosphere of dependency. And why? For their own selfish need to increase their own personal power. I’ve been a keen observer of the effect this has on the people, especially the poor. They are very good at creating poverty where there is no reason to explain it. My job is try to alleviate poverty and if that means to oppose the ‘cause then I will not be Pope.

REPORTER: But you are worried you would be a spend thrift pope?

BERGOGLIO: Friend. Where did you go to school?

REPORTER: La Salle College High School in Pennsylvania and….

BERGOGLIO: And after that?

REPORTER: College of the Holy Cross.

BERGOGLIO: They told me you were Catholic. Once elected the Pope is by virtue of the promise of Jesus to Peter, the Pope is preserved from the possibility of error. God would change any spend thrift politician into a responsible Pope. I’m just saying I’m not that man.

REPORTER: So what is your job?

BERGOGLIO: My job is to ask you, “why are men creating poverty?”

REPORTER: What do you mean?

BERGOGLIO: I mean that poverty is part of the natural condition and that is bad enough. But my task is to prevent the aggravation of this condition. The ideology that adds to the poverty must be denounced. I have and this is the reason I will not be Pope. I have a saying for myself, “No more poverty than God originally intended in the fall from Grace.”

REPORTER: Oh.

BERGOGLIO: It is a spiritual choice and I’m a political person. I’m sorry. I know you will make more money from this interview if I’m Pope. Or want to be Pope. But I’m sorry. I can’t help you. God has already chosen someone anyway. Right? You learned this in school?

REPORTER: Yes. Well… Where are you on the issues that matter most, issues about contraception, women priests?

BERGOGLIO: This might be a surprise to you, but I am Catholic. We are Catholic. It isn’t an issue and for you to pretend that it is being debated goes against God.

REPORTER: If you were Pope then you would not change anything.

BERGOGLIO: Certainly God would direct the new Pope to have more compassion for these newly created poor. And if there is any social justice in the Church, the new Pope would have a stern word for the creators of the new situation.

REPORTER: But you are staunchly orthodox on the issues of abortion, contraception, and same-sex marriage.

BERGOGLIO: I am catholic.

REPORTER: You were punished for opposed same-sex marriage in Argentina. You opposed free contraception and the government exiled you. What do you have to say about that?

BERGOGLIO: I am catholic.

REPORTER: In the secular world, as you say, you follow the conservative line. You oppose, uh, same-sex marriages, very popular with young people. You are conservative on birth control. Won’t that be the doom of the Church, alienating young people who support reality based faith?

BERGOGLIO: Since God created the world, he also created reality. You seem to be arguing that a man can’t be Catholic in reality. Son, you are a Catholic?

REPORTER: Yes, of course. I meant no disrespect.

BERGOGLIO: You don’t have to worry about offending me.

REPORTER: Okay, good. Can a, uh, Pope even be elected if he is pro-choice or pro-love? I mean isn’t the election sort of fixed in favor of anti-abortion and anti-gay marriage?

BERGOGLIO: Yes, the election is fixed by God.

REPORTER: Very witty.

BERGOGLIO: Well, you did ask.

REPORTER: It is being reported in America that you are against marriage equality. Is that why you feel that you can’t be Pope?

BERGOGLIO: God chooses the Pope and God also made men and women different.

REPORTER: But you are …a conservative and oppose abortion!

BERGOGLIO: Friend the expression on your face gives you away.

REPORTER: I’m sorry, I’m just trying to do my job.

BERGOGLIO: And what job is that?

REPORTER: I’ve been sent to interview eight men in line for the papacy.

BERGOGLIO: And I guarantee you that they all oppose abortion. So…

REPORTER: But…

BERGOGLIO: So, you feel like you need to alienate the eight from the flock?

REPORTER: That isn’t it. How can the church attract young people when it is opposed to abortion and contraception?

BERGOGLIO: Young people are just as attracted to the truth as they are convenience and expediency. So we will call it a draw.

1 posted on 04/23/2013 5:42:19 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: Portcall24

It’s fake.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/matthews.asp


2 posted on 04/23/2013 5:47:52 AM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: CaptainK

ugh— too bad it is a fake...I LIKED IT!


3 posted on 04/23/2013 5:56:12 AM PDT by eeevil conservative (GIVE ME A PLACE TO STAND AND I WILL MOVE THE thatEARTH....Archimedes)
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To: CaptainK

Damn! Thanks. Should have checked there myself but was overtaken by hope!


4 posted on 04/23/2013 5:57:15 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: Portcall24

Fake, but accurate.


5 posted on 04/23/2013 6:14:36 AM PDT by Procyon (Decentralize, degovernmentalize, deregulate, demonopolize, decredentialize, disentitle.)
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To: eeevil conservative

One is reminded of the “fake but accurate” assertions made by Dan Rather in support of his vendetta on George W. Bush.

That was in support of a liberal agenda.

The thing is, the statements made appear to be plausible, and in the era of the low-information voter, just the thing for swaying weak minds that lack any critical analytic thinking capability.


6 posted on 04/23/2013 6:16:31 AM PDT by alloysteel (Every generation laughs at the old fashions, but follows religiously the new.)
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To: CaptainK

If Snopes told me the sky is blue, I’d be headed to a window to check before believing it.


7 posted on 04/23/2013 6:17:09 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (For me, I plan to die standing as a free man rather than spend one second on my knees as a slave.)
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To: CaptainK

I read the Snopes account.

It only provides evidence that the reporter probably wasn’t Chris Matthews. Which makes sense because Chris Matthews isn’t an atheist.

Snopes seems to indicate that Chris Matthews was attributed as the journalist at a later date.

The source of the interview is sketchy. Call this one “questionable”, or “possible fake”...but not a flat out “fake”


8 posted on 04/23/2013 6:17:33 AM PDT by kidd
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To: Portcall24

The origin to this story is from the Telegraph. See this link: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100208720/did-pope-francis-really-say-that-socialism-causes-misery-and-that-america-is-heading-towards-a-form-of-communism/


9 posted on 04/23/2013 6:21:36 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: markomalley
I have indisputable proof that Chrissie's Dad wrote the immortal refrain sung to "O Tannenbaum." Or "My Maryland," for atheists.

I sent my son to Holy Cross
He came back a total loss.
O Holy Cross, O Holy Cross
Where all they eat is apple sauce
They eat it morning noon and night
They even eat it when they're tight. etc

10 posted on 04/23/2013 6:30:19 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The Obama Molecule: Teflon binds with Melanin = No Criminal Charges Stick)
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To: Portcall24; CaptainK
Hoax history: it started out as an unverified, unattributed e-mail. It was picked up by the website of the Diocese of Surrey, England, without author, source or documentation.

http://tinyurl.com/Damian-Thompson-Pope-Francis

Then Damian Thompson of the Telegraph, published it in his column with explicit cautions that it had not been verified; then, in updates, Thompson himself concluded it was a hoax.

Then the Diocese of Surrey took it off their website.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/matthews.asp

Finally, Snopes.com found it to be a fake. Fun, but fabricated.

11 posted on 04/23/2013 9:19:17 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (My kin are given to such phrases as, 'Let's face it.' - Flannery O'Connor)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Thanks. Attention to detail is important and I give myself a failing grade on this one.


12 posted on 04/23/2013 9:21:18 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: Portcall24

You also failed to search for a previous FR article in which the “interview” was debunked.


13 posted on 04/23/2013 9:24:34 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: steve86

Actually I took the title you see and put the entire then into search and got nothing back.


14 posted on 04/23/2013 9:34:19 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: Portcall24

It is true: FR search only seems to work in the most optimal circumstances. So it was more of a site failure than yours. But at least some more people might find out the true status of the interview through this extra posting.


15 posted on 04/23/2013 10:07:58 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: steve86

I agree and am happy to help...just disappointed in my originally wasting bandwidth on something that was bogus to begin with.


16 posted on 04/23/2013 10:14:41 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: Portcall24
Searching on exact titles usually fails, particularly when the title includes words containing three letters or less.

Limitations: Only article titles can be searched and words with three or fewer letters are not searched at all.

You're better off selecting one word, especially if one is unique and searching for that.

17 posted on 04/23/2013 10:40:37 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: steve86
FR search only seems to work in the most optimal circumstances.

Incorrect. The search function works well, providing you possess the intelligence to use it properly and are not lazy.

18 posted on 04/23/2013 10:42:19 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

I guess as a past Fortune 500 lead System Programmer, lead Database Administrator and lead System Administrator (corporate wide), I am not intelligent enough to use FR search correctly. Out of Christian charity I will hold my fire on the return invective.

I have always suspected the search routine runs out of resources at times before delivering completed results.


19 posted on 04/23/2013 11:20:10 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: Portcall24

It definitely wasn’t wasted — it’s just that unsourced emails deserve the highest degree of skeptical inquiry — worse than Glenn Beck’s website LOL.


20 posted on 04/23/2013 11:23:08 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I wish it was true.


21 posted on 04/23/2013 11:46:09 AM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: All

Why don’t we ask the Pope directly?

@TimC_266: @Pontifex Dear Holy Father: Is this a real interview you gave shortly before your election? http://t.co/9GBxHscCsb

:) Couldn’t hurt right? Who knows maybe he will actually respond.


22 posted on 04/23/2013 12:12:52 PM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: CaptainK

Me too!!


23 posted on 04/23/2013 1:06:36 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Jesus thrown everything off balance." - Flannery O'Connor)
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