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Gay Episcopal Bishop Rebukes Catholic Archbishop, Says Church Has Lost Its Way (more details)
Creative Minority Report ^ | April 25, 2013 | Matthew Archbold

Posted on 04/25/2013 2:19:05 PM PDT by NYer

Retired Episcopal Bishop Gene Robinson, the first openly gay man to become a U.S. bishop in the Episcopal Church, has written an nasty piece of opinion attacking a Catholic Archbishop as well as the Catholic Church in its entirety for defending marriage.

Robinson, writing for The On Faith blog at The Washington Post, attacked Abp. Allen Vigneron for having said Catholics who support gay unions or marriage should not receive communion. And not only does he say that the Church is wrong on gay marriage, he says the Church has "lost its way" and has no right to even discuss the issue. I'll give you one guess why. For those playing along at home, the answer is easy. It's page 1 of the anti-Catholic playbook: "Anytime the Church says something you don't like you should always YELL and SCREAM about....THE SEX ABUSE SCANDAL!!!"

Robinson wrote:

I believe that using Communion as such a manipulative tool surely profanes the sacrament. Perhaps these Catholic leaders should revisit their church’s theology of the Eucharist. Reception of the body and blood of Christ at Communion is God’s gift to God’s people, not a reward for right behavior. We receive Communion not because we are worthy of it, but because God’s offers us the body and blood of Christ despite our unworthiness.

While some are seeking to withhold Communion from pro-choice and pro-marriage-equality Catholics, I have heard no call to withhold Communion from priests and bishops who have engaged in horrific sexual abuse against vulnerable children, nor their enablers. Bernard Cardinal Law, whose administration actively facilitated the moving around of known pedophile priests to other unsuspecting parishes, has not been denied Communion, but instead been rewarded with a prestigious church in Rome.

It seems that the church hierarchy is sending the following message: two gay men or lesbians (not to mention their supporters) who want to vow a lifetime of commitment, monogamy and love should be denied Communion, but those who exploit vulnerable children (and those who facilitate their abuse) for their own sexual gratification are still welcome. Those who make the excruciating and gut-wrenching decision to have an abortion (not to mention those who understand why this might be a moral choice) are barred from receiving Communion, but those prelates who live a lavish lifestyle far from the real-life, harsh circumstances some women face that might make such an abortion morally permissible are accepted at the Communion rail.

American Catholics have a long and honorable history of discerning their own consciences in matters of human life and dignity. For instance, 98 percent of Catholic women have gone against church law and used birth control. Indeed, individual conscience is a core value in Catholic teaching. It seems that Catholic laity are refusing to be treated like morally ignorant children who cannot think for themselves. At a very minimum, Catholic laity (and many of their local clergy) know that these issues should be discussed in an open and faithful way. They also know that people of faith will disagree on some of the ramifications of trying to live out the Gospel.
Robinson is not understanding or he's pretending to misunderstand the facts here. The fact is that we are all sinners is true. That doesn't make sin acceptable. And it certainly doesn't make sin non-existent.

It's one thing to commit a sin, acknowledge it as a sin, and repent. Murderers, rapists, and yes sexually abusive adults all have an opportunity to seek forgiveness and redemption but they first must acknowledge their sinfulness.

It's quite another thing to publicly advocate something like abortion and gay marriage as perfectly in line with Catholic teaching. One can't seek forgiveness if one doesn't believe in sin.



TOPICS: Catholic; Mainline Protestant; Worship
KEYWORDS: ecusa; episcopal; homosexualagenda; religiousleft; robinson

1 posted on 04/25/2013 2:19:05 PM PDT by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

More detailed, ping!


2 posted on 04/25/2013 2:19:46 PM PDT by NYer (Beware the man of a single book - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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To: NYer

Ah, the irony of a dying church that people are deserting in droves telling a growing church with over 1 billion members that its “lost its way”. Will the last person to leave the Episcopalian Church USA please turnout the lights?


3 posted on 04/25/2013 2:20:55 PM PDT by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: NYer

To the headline: they may have as you are a “priest” and an adulterer.


4 posted on 04/25/2013 2:21:51 PM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: NYer

There was a time when Episcopalians, doctrinally wrong though they might be, were perfect models of English social graces and courteoisie.

The utter gall, rudeness, smartassity, classlessness of this piece of excrement that calls himself an Episcopal “bishop” amazes one.

Will the wonders never cease??


5 posted on 04/25/2013 2:26:44 PM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: NYer

Well if he is talking about himself and his church , the HELL YEAH!


6 posted on 04/25/2013 2:27:35 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: NYer

A “False Prophet”. We were warned over 2,000 years ago about them.


7 posted on 04/25/2013 2:27:38 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again,")
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To: NYer

P.S. Give it up, Vickie Gene. You had your 15 minutes of notoriety. It’s over. You are now almost the most meaningless little pieces of human debris anywhere in the cosmos, second, perhaps, only to the mother of the Boston Massacre lowlifes.


8 posted on 04/25/2013 2:29:09 PM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: NYer

The Episcopal Church has degenerated into a gay cesspool. Gay bishops and priests are everywhere it seems as each year sees more parishes desert the national church membership.

This is what happens when gays take over otherwise respectable organizations from Boy Scouts to the military and rot them from within.


9 posted on 04/25/2013 2:31:29 PM PDT by mohresearcher
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To: NYer

Try reading the Bible again, heretic spawn.

You want action taken against those who sexually abuse children, which is right, but you seek to justice for those who KILL children? You’re a joke. And let’s not forget, the majority of the abusers were homosexuals. They molested boys.


10 posted on 04/25/2013 2:33:36 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: NYer

Once the spirit has departed, there is nothing left to do but get the lights and close the doors.


11 posted on 04/25/2013 2:35:12 PM PDT by marron
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To: NYer
Shut up, brucey and go back into retirement. The Episcopal church has suffered enough from your kind of christianity.

CC

12 posted on 04/25/2013 2:35:32 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (Tease not the dragon, for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)
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To: NYer
Maybe we lot our way when Bishops started tweeting ...
13 posted on 04/25/2013 2:39:47 PM PDT by x
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To: NYer
Retired Episcopal Bishop Gene Robinson, the first openly gay man to become a U.S. bishop in the Episcopal Church. . . says the Church has "lost its way" and has no right to even discuss the issue.

That is the most moronic statement ever to come from Robinson, reaching a new level of arrogance and error that I would have thought he had exhausted his ability to achieve. I take communion, knowing that I have fallen short of God's word but sincerely regretting those failings. To take communion while celebrating ones refusal to defer to God strikes me and I suspect most real Christians as sacrilege. While I am not Catholic, I am proud of the Church for following God's Word in the area of communion and in so many other areas.

14 posted on 04/25/2013 2:40:58 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: NYer

Robinson’s words should be considered inspirational to any Catholic who has lost his/her zeal for the Catholic faith.

You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
—John 8:44


15 posted on 04/25/2013 2:47:07 PM PDT by impimp
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To: NYer

Robinson’s only choices are to say traditional Christianity has lost its way or to admit that he lost his way because of Daddy issues, abuse, or problems with lust. He obviously still lacks the humility to look inward and so he points outward.

“What’s wrong with the world? I am.” -G.K. Chesterton


16 posted on 04/25/2013 2:47:47 PM PDT by MDLION ("Trust in the Lord with all your heart" -Proverbs 3:5)
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To: svcw
Adulterer? He abandoned his family to go "gay". Then there's his unrepentant alcoholism.

He's been thankfully out of the news, and I've forgotten his other failings as a "cleric".

I still don't know what the NH Episcopalians were thinking putting him in charge.

Respect for marriage and family apparently weren't high on their lists of qualifications.

17 posted on 04/25/2013 2:53:37 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: NYer

A quick glance at the “Early Life” section of Robinson’s Wikipedia page probably tells you where his gender confusion and unresolved conflicts come from.

“Robinson’s parents were young ... and they were hoping for a girl. ... Much later in life, Robinson’s father would tell him he couldn’t take any interest in the boy’s development because he always thought every step was going to be his last.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_Robinson

So a joyless, probably distant father who wanted a girl and didn’t want to get too close to his sickly son. And a mother who also wanted a daughter.


18 posted on 04/25/2013 3:02:22 PM PDT by MDLION ("Trust in the Lord with all your heart" -Proverbs 3:5)
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To: NYer

When did he become a Catholic?


19 posted on 04/25/2013 3:07:25 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: NYer

The thing is . . . we will still pray for Bishop Robinson and that he might receive some divine inspiration to change his ways.
Those who hate the church need the most prayer of all.


20 posted on 04/25/2013 3:10:50 PM PDT by Macoozie (1) Win the Senate 2) Repeal Obamacare 3) Impeach Roberts)
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To: NYer

Mr Robinson I think that your mocking of God will end up showing that the wrong path was yours.


21 posted on 04/25/2013 3:30:04 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign up for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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To: NYer
Here's the former Episcopal bishop, in his new vestments.


22 posted on 04/25/2013 3:43:40 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: NYer

This post to the original column says it all:

“Wow, it takes a lot of chutzpah for an Episcopalian bishop to slam a Catholic Arch-Bishop. Why is that? Real simple: people are fleeing the Episcopalian Church in droves because of non-biblical actions, such as making a gay man who is not celibate into an archbishop. This so-called church has no standing to critique what was once her mother Church. Long ago, Anglicans decided to leave (making King Henry VIII be the first person to start a new religion on the basis of wanting to divorce his wife); they gave up their chance to critique Roman Catholicism when they chose to leave her. What a bogus and asinine column. It truly doesnb’t even deserve these few words of comment. Pope Leo XIII was right when he declared the priesthood in the Anglican Church, and thus the episcopacy, as “aboslutely null and utterly void.” Couldn’t have said it better myself.”


23 posted on 04/25/2013 3:44:24 PM PDT by Lou Budvis
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To: NYer

Rationalization is certain to lead to sin if we have not formed a strong conscience. Notice how he focuses on homosexuality and abortion. Focusing on God, prayer, the sacraments, the study of God’s commandments, and living by the teachings of the Church are the spiritual exercises essential to form a good conscience and how we respond to God’s call to holiness. His words are poison.


24 posted on 04/25/2013 3:45:43 PM PDT by Gerish (Feed your faith and your doubts will starve to death.)
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To: BillyBoy

Yep ! The greatest contribution to American Cathloicism in the 20th century was the ordination of Episcopal gay “priests”.


25 posted on 04/25/2013 3:48:26 PM PDT by johnd201 (johnd201)
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To: Gerish
His words are poison.

An excellent observation. Sadly, his words also reflect the secularism of contemporary society which is a cesspool of poison. I never thought I would see this day.

26 posted on 04/25/2013 3:49:47 PM PDT by NYer (Beware the man of a single book - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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To: NYer

Oh, shut the hell up!
You are a drunk, “gay” who has lost his way and corrupted a church....
Your “reward” will be in heaven....


27 posted on 04/25/2013 4:06:40 PM PDT by matginzac
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To: NYer

Again they forget that whole “eating and drinking judgement upon yourself” part that Paul wrote in Corinthians. No, unrepentant sin disqualifies you from taking part in communion.


28 posted on 04/25/2013 4:14:42 PM PDT by vpintheak (Occupy your Mind!)
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To: NYer

Who cares what this fudge packer has to say.

His predjudiced opinion is based on the fact that he is a rump ranger who puts his penis in feces.

Stop being polite and thinking these people are anything more or less than they are.

Perverts do not tell me how to Judge my faith.


29 posted on 04/25/2013 4:53:17 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: NYer
Jesus said, "I am the truth."

Not -- I am the custom.

30 posted on 04/25/2013 5:05:54 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer
How's “Bishop” Robinson's rectal syphilis coming along.I recently read that it's one of those multi-drug resistant strains straight from the bath houses of San Francisco.
31 posted on 04/26/2013 4:07:27 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Leno Was Right,They *Are* Undocumented Democrats!)
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To: NYer

calumny, lying demon


32 posted on 04/26/2013 7:16:09 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: NYer; All

As Oscar Wilde once put it: “The Catholic Church is for saints and sinners. For respectable folks, Anglicanism will do.”


33 posted on 04/26/2013 8:09:21 PM PDT by NorthernCrunchyCon (Rand Paul/ Nigel Farage)
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To: Lou Budvis
Thank you for posting the comment. Oftentimes, these can be quite insightful. The poster shared my reaction ... it takes chutzpah to denigrate an archbishop of a thriving church for not following the same path to destruction. Those who fail often try to take others down with them.
34 posted on 04/27/2013 3:48:53 AM PDT by NYer (Beware the man of a single book - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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