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Table Of Nations;Japheth...Genesis 10 pt 1
http://billrandles.wordpress.com/2013/04/25/table-of-nations-japheth-genesis-10-pt-1/ ^ | 04-25-13 | Bill Randles

Posted on 04/25/2013 3:31:22 PM PDT by pastorbillrandles

Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood. The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras. And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah. And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim. By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations. (Genesis 10:1-5)

We come to the “Table of Nations”, which has been described even by unbelieving “higher critics” of scripture, as a remarkably accurate, and unique historical document. This Divine family record is the connecting genealogical path from the immediate aftermath of flood, to the emergence of the various nations which we see in Biblical history.*

Humanity as we know it, has a threefold root system, for we all trace back either to Shem, Ham or Japheth. There are no “races”, for behind those three, we all descend from Noah, and from Adam before him.

The Table starts with Japheth, and his seven sons.

Gomer- The descendants of this son of Japheth eventually settled north of the Black Sea, in a district which was called Cimmeria ,and even today is known as Crimea. It is possible that the name of Gomer also survives in the name of the Germanic peoples.

Gomer’s three sons were ,Ashkenaz, Riphath, and Togarmah. Ashkenaz is definitely associated with the Germans. The Jews call German Jews, Ashekenazi. It is also possible that the name Riphath is preserved in the name of Europe, the continent whish was predominantly settled by the sons of Japheth. The Armenian and Turkik peoples around the Caspian Sea and the Caucus mountains descend from Togarmeh.

Magog- This name can mean,”The place of Gog”. Magog was believed to be the ancestor of the Scythians, the original settlers around the Black Sea area.

Madai- Madai is the father of the Medes, who dwelt in what is now known as Persia and eventually intermarried with the Elamites,(Semitic) to become the ancestors of the Persian people. The sons of Madai also inhabited the Indian subcontinent, the Indo,Aryan peoples descending from them. The Aryans of Inida have always insisted that their Ancestor was a man named, “Iyepti”, which is perhaps a corruption of Japheth.

Javan- The son of Japheth, whose name was eventually pronounced Ionias went on to become the Greek nation, settling in the Aegian sea, and in Asia minor(Turkey). Javan’s children are also listed, Elisha, Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim. The name Elisha would become Hellas, from which the term Hellenistic, or the name geographical name Hellespont derives.

The Greek people in their time of idolatry worshipped as chief God “Jupiter” a possible corruption of the name of their ancestor, Japheth.

Tarshish would settle in North Africa,(Carthage) and in Spain,(Tartessos), but eventually Phoenicians would prevail over them . Kittim would be associated with those who settled the Cypriot Islands, and the Greek mainland also. Dodanim may have given his name to the straits of the Dardenelles.

Tubal- and Meshech- Both of these are usually associated together in the Bible. THey originated in and around the area we now call Turkey, and spread out as far as the Caucusus mountains, and the Georgian and Armenian areas.

Tiras- Josephus tells us that Tiras, would give descent to the Thracian peoples, and possibly the Etruscans of Italy came from him as well.

Noah predicted that Japheth,”the expander” would expand, and thus he did both geographically, colonially, culturally philosophically, and intellectually. It is of interest that to this day, it is western civilization which is dominant in the world for good and evil.

It is also of interest that in the predictions of the final battles, the very names of the sons and grandchildren of Japheth re-emerge as participants in the final gentile attempt to wipe out Israel and overthrow Israel’s God.

Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him, And say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal: And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords: Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet: Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee(Ezekiel 38:2-6)

*I am heavily indebted in this section to Dr Henry Morris’s Genesis Record for this section


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1 posted on 04/25/2013 3:31:22 PM PDT by pastorbillrandles
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To: pastorbillrandles
Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood. The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras. And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah. And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim. By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.

I just read that passage silently to myself. The voice I heard wasn't mine; it was John Huston's.

2 posted on 04/25/2013 3:49:11 PM PDT by Oratam
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Fascinating, but reliable? It *seems* to flub the easy stuff, even. For instance, “Jupiter” was the Roman god of legend, equivalent to he who the Greeks called, “Zeus.” The only connection I’ve ever heard drawing it back to Greek was “Zeus Pater,” which is an etymology which is highly questionable but which certainly seems to contradict the “Japheth” connection.


3 posted on 04/25/2013 4:05:43 PM PDT by dangus (Poverty cannot be eradicated as long as the poor remain dependent on the state - Pope Francis)
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You know you are right about Jupiter being the Roman God. Jupiter could still be a corruption of Japheth, the Romans also being sons of Japheth. I can’t say that these things are all reliable, which is why I tried to use tentative language.


4 posted on 04/25/2013 4:56:44 PM PDT by pastorbillrandles
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From what I’ve found, Jupiter comes from Diespater, the Italic god on whom the qualities of Zeus were overlaid. Diespater comes, in turn from Diayus Pita, the “sky father” of Indo-European myth. It seems hard to relate Japheth to Daiyus Pita, but I will not that Ja often represents YHWH, so maybe Japheth represents more of a translation than an evolution. Any clue is pheth can be related to father in Hebrew?


5 posted on 04/25/2013 6:19:50 PM PDT by dangus (Poverty cannot be eradicated as long as the poor remain dependent on the state - Pope Francis)
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I find these things fascinating, thanks for your input. The Hebrew meaning of Japheth is “Expander”, Noah made a word play in his prophecy when he declared that Japheth(Expander) shall Expand”.


6 posted on 04/25/2013 8:21:14 PM PDT by pastorbillrandles
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Riphath is preserved in the name of Europe, the continent whish was predominantly settled by the sons of Japheth. The Armenian and Turkik peoples around the Caspian Sea and the Caucus mountains descend from Togarmeh.

Riphath has no relationship to Europa. the name "Europe" comes from the Cretan Greek legend of the Phoenician princess of that name. No phonetic resemblance to Riphath

The Armenians are not related to Turkic peoples linguistically, though the current day "Turks" are mostly Indo-European racially, as are the Armenians (and for that matter the Persians, indians and europeans)

7 posted on 04/25/2013 10:42:54 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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t is possible that the name of Gomer also survives in the name of the Germanic peoples.

incorrect. Germania was an exonym, not an endonym

8 posted on 04/25/2013 10:44:10 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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Magog was believed to be the ancestor of the Scythians, the original settlers around the Black Sea area.

Scyth was a catch-all term used by Greeks for barbarians north of the black sea (incidently even the term barbarian originated as one who doesn't speak Greek) -- the same term was used to call Aryanic, Turkic, Hurrian etc. peoples

9 posted on 04/25/2013 10:45:32 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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Madai- Madai is the father of the Medes, who dwelt in what is now known as Persia and eventually intermarried with the Elamites,(Semitic) to become the ancestors of the Persian people

The Elamites were not Semitic, neither were the Babylonians. They may have been related to the Dravidian peoples but they were definitely not Semites

The ancestors of the Persian people , the Pars came from what is now Uzbekistan, so no, no relation to the Elamites...

10 posted on 04/25/2013 10:46:51 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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The Aryans of Inida have always insisted that their Ancestor was a man named, “Iyepti”, which is perhaps a corruption of Japheth.

Wrong again, Hindu mythology is that man is descended from Manu

11 posted on 04/25/2013 10:47:32 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: pastorbillrandles
The Greek people in their time of idolatry worshipped as chief God “Jupiter” a possible corruption of the name of their ancestor, Japheth

VERY incorrect. The Greeks worshipped Zeus. Jupiter was a Latin god

The etymology of the term Zeus is the same as the Sanskrit Dyaus Pitr (Heaven Father) or Deus in Latin

12 posted on 04/25/2013 10:50:29 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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Genesis 10:22 The children of Shem; Elam, and Asshur, and Arphaxad, and Lud, and Aram.
13 posted on 04/26/2013 3:55:36 AM PDT by pastorbillrandles
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To: Cronos

see post 4 for the correction


14 posted on 04/26/2013 3:56:22 AM PDT by pastorbillrandles
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To: Cronos

I said,”it is possible that the name Ripath is preserved in Europe...” I never said the Armenians are linguistically related to the Turks, as I know they are not, however the Turkik peoples and the Armenians both descend from Japheth, and yes are Indo Europeans.


15 posted on 04/26/2013 5:21:21 AM PDT by pastorbillrandles
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the Turkik peoples and the Armenians both descend from Japheth, and yes are Indo Europeans.

Wrong about Turkic peoples

The real Turkic peoples are those in Tatarstan, in Turkmenistan, Uighuristan, Uzbekistan, Kirghizia, Kazakhstan

they are NOT Indo-european by race or by language

16 posted on 04/26/2013 5:41:02 AM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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Early in the history of the world, the Japhethites, or Aryans, split into two groups. One group settled in India and the other group in Europe. Together they form what is known as the “Indo-European” family of nations. Any ethnographer is familiar with these divisions, but they are the same basic stock. The next time you visit India you should realize that you are visiting your cousins in the same basic family. The interesting thing is that both of these divisions, the Indian and the European, trace their ancestry back to Japheth. This is not from the Bible, but from history:

The Greeks say that their ancestor was a man named Japetos, and you can see in that the resemblance to Japheth. They regarded him as not only the father of their race, but the father of all humanity. The Indians, on the other hand, have an account of the flood similar in many respects to the Biblical account. The name of their hero is not Noah, but Satyaurata, and he had three sons. The name of the oldest was Iyapeti (you can see Japheth in that, very easily), and the other two were Sharma, and C’harma (Shem and Ham). The interesting thing about the Indian account is that C’harma was cursed by his father because he laughed at him when he got drunk, a certain echo of the story we have in Genesis.http://custance.org/Library/Volume1/Part_II/Chapter2.html


17 posted on 04/26/2013 5:45:03 AM PDT by pastorbillrandles
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To: pastorbillrandles
Early in the history of the world, the Japhethites, or Aryans, split into two groups. One group settled in India and the other group in Europe. Together they form what is known as the “Indo-European” family of nations. Any ethnographer is familiar with these divisions, but they are the same basic stock. The next time you visit India you should realize that you are visiting your cousins in the same basic family. The interesting thing is that both of these divisions, the Indian and the European, trace their ancestry back to Japheth. This is not from the Bible, but from history:

Actually, that's incorrect.

The Indo-Europeans are spread from Maharashtra/Bengal to Iceland -- the two major trunks are the Centem and Satem languages -- and the Slavic languages (Czech, Polish, Russian, Bulgarian etc. ) are related more to the Persian and Indic language rather than the Celtic languages

And the hindu story of a flood has Manu, not Satyavarta. There is no Hindu mythology about Sharma शर्मा -- your link is wrong.

18 posted on 04/26/2013 5:56:44 AM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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The Greeks say that their ancestor was a man named Japetos,

Actually they don't say that. They say their ancestor was Danae..

19 posted on 04/26/2013 5:59:22 AM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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I·ap·e·tus (-p-ts, -p-) n. 1. Greek Mythology A Titan who was the father of Prometheus and Atlas and an ancestor of the human race. 2. A satellite of Saturn. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Iapetos
20 posted on 04/26/2013 9:19:57 AM PDT by pastorbillrandles
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Some Liberal PhD scholars embracing an anthropological point of view understand that one of the sons of Noah, Japheth, is a Hebrew recast of the Homeric Greek mythological protagonist known as Iapetos (also rendered as Japetus). English rendered Japheth (Hebrew: Yapheth) as Noah's son, is associated with a universal flood. Does such an association exist in Homeric Greek myths? Yes. In Greek myth Japetus (Iapetos) is understood to be the "father of the human race" via his son Prometheus. Japetus' grandson, Deucalion, enters a great box with his wife and 3 children to survive a flood arising in Greece which will destroy all humans. In Homeric Greek myth Japetus is _not_ the son of the flood survivor, Deucalion, he is the grandfather! Yet, his descendents, including Deucalion and progeny, are called Iapetiade. So descendants of Japetus survive a flood that destroys mankind in Greece. How old is this myth? Homeric myths are dated anywhere from 1000-700 BC. How would Jews come to know of a Homeric Greek flood myth and recast the mythical Titan Japetus as Japheth? http://www.israel-a-history-of.com/noahs-son-japheth-is-the-mythical-greek-titan-japetus-iapetos.html
21 posted on 04/26/2013 9:24:36 AM PDT by pastorbillrandles
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1. Or Japetus , a son of Uranus and Ge, a Titan and brother of Cronus, Oceanus, Coeus, Hyperion, Tethys, Rhea, &c. (Apollod. i. 1. § 3; Diod. v. 66.) According to Apollodorus (i. 2. § 3) he married Asia, the daughter of his brother Oceanus, and became by her the father of Atlas, Prometheus, Epimetheus, and Menoetius, who was slain by Zeus in the war against the Titans, and shut up in Tartarus. Other traditions call the wife of Iapetus Clymene, who was likewise a daughter of Oceanus, and others again Tethys, Asopis, or Libya. (Hes. Theog. 507, &c.; Tzetz. ad Lycoph. 1277; Orph. Fragm. viii. 21, &c.; Virg. Georg. i. 279.) Hyginus, who confounds the Titans and Gigantes, makes Iapetus a Giant, and calls him a son of Tartarus. According to Homer (Il. viii. 479) Iapetus is imprisoned with Cronus in Tartarus, and Silius Italicus (xii. 148, &c.) relates that he is buried under the island of Inarime. Being the father of Prometheus, he was regarded by the Greeks as the ancestor of the human race. His descendants, Prometheus, Atlas, and others, are often designated by the patronymic forms Iapelidae (es), Iapetionidae (es), and the feminine Iapetionis. (Hes. Theog. 528; Ov. Met. iv. 631; Pind. Ol. ix. 59.) http://www.mythindex.com/greek-mythology/I/Iapetus.html
22 posted on 04/26/2013 9:27:03 AM PDT by pastorbillrandles
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Some Liberal PhD scholars embracing an anthropological point of view understand that one of the sons of Noah, Japheth, is a Hebrew recast of the Homeric Greek mythological protagonist known as Iapetos (also rendered as Japetus). E

And that liberal is wrong.

The Greeks claim descent from Danae, not any Iapetus

23 posted on 04/28/2013 10:42:35 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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