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Women-priest fakers allow Protestants [UCC] to define who Catholics are. There must be consequences.
What Does The Prayer Really Say ^ | 4/28/2013 | Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

Posted on 04/28/2013 8:56:28 AM PDT by markomalley

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To: .45 Long Colt
Scripture clearly teaches that salvation is by grace alone through faith alone

Actually scripture teaches that salvation is by grace alone.

Church teaching is that salvation is NOT faith+works, and this is in line with scripture which nowhere uses the expressions "justification by faith alone" or "salvation by faith alone."

on the contrary, if one reads scripture, what does Jesus say saves us?


Jesus says that if you endure to the end you get salvation, that if you helped your fellow man you inherit the kingdom of God (you get salvation) --> note these are HIS own words


151 posted on 04/29/2013 9:24:37 AM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: metmom

Thank you for admitting that mistake, gracious of you


152 posted on 04/29/2013 9:25:01 AM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: CynicalBear
CB: I follow scripture, not “true Protestants” or other carnally constructed “religion”.

Interesting, so you disagree with Protestants as well and say you are not Protestant either?

but you hold to Gap theory

153 posted on 04/29/2013 9:25:46 AM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: CynicalBear
CB: Check out Baal and the sun god.

Cronos: Btw, Baal wasn't the sun god of the ancient Semitic peoples.

CB: Once again trying to put words into what I said. The Semitic god was El who was supposedly the father of Baal the god of the Canaanites and Phoenicians. Trying to deflect is rather lame.

tsk, tsk, tsk -- your very words condemn you. "check out Baal and the sun god"

i'm sorry about your views against Christianity but Christ is not a version of Baal or the sun god whichever one you are inferring

154 posted on 04/29/2013 9:27:25 AM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: CynicalBear
CynicalBear about Christianity: Incorporating the worship of Tamuz into the worship of Christ

Wow. So it comes out...

155 posted on 04/29/2013 9:27:57 AM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: Salvation
Sorry, we'll stick with Jesus' words! Have you never heard of a memorial before? (In memory of Christ)

HELLO!!!

THAT'S what we've been saying. That' it's just a memorial service.

You do realize that a memorial service is not the exact event, don't you? It's just done to REMEMBER something.

Just like the Passover Feast the Jews celebrated was a remembrance of the actual event. God did not kill the firstborn of the world every year.

156 posted on 04/29/2013 9:35:48 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Cronos

I’m Freeping on my iPad while stuck In traffic so I cannot respond to your specifics. All I have time to say is this: you are thoroughly deceived. Rely on your baptism and your blasphemous Eucharist at your peril. I’ll trust Christ.


157 posted on 04/29/2013 9:44:42 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: CynicalBear
traditional ham on Easter

Huh? It is traditionally lamb for Easter. Jesus is the Lamb of God. Get it?

158 posted on 04/29/2013 12:03:28 PM PDT by ELS
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To: Cronos

No I do not mean “Gap theory.”

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Gap Theory is in every way irrelevent to the words of Yeshua. The fact is that it would destroy Yehova’s perfect nested pattern of sevens (sabbaths), so is not in my opinion worthy of discussion.


159 posted on 04/29/2013 12:15:32 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor; CynicalBear
editor: Gap Theory is in every way irrelevent to the words of Yeshua. The fact is that it would destroy Yehova’s perfect nested pattern of sevens (sabbaths), so is not in my opinion worthy of discussion.

Thank you for that corrective knowledge

160 posted on 04/29/2013 12:56:36 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: .45 Long Colt
If you say you trust Christ, then listen to Christ's words:

Matt. 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Matt 25:31-46 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
He who believes and is baptized will be saved. (Mk 16:16)

[U]nless you repent you will all likewise perish. (Lk 13:3

[H]e who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. (Jn 6:54)

So, do listen to the words of Jesus who said it is faith+ repentance+baptism+the Eucharist+endurance, not any of these in isolation -- Of course, these don't "save us" per se, since it is Christ's sacrifice on the Cross that grants us our salvation that we can accept or reject

So, if you say you trust Christ, then trust His very words...

161 posted on 04/29/2013 12:59:43 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: Cronos

I trust His words, but they don’t mean what you have been taught they mean. That’s where we differ.


162 posted on 04/29/2013 1:08:19 PM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: Cronos; CynicalBear

What are you doing Cronos, trying to stirr up a fight?


163 posted on 04/29/2013 2:54:26 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: .45 Long Colt

>> “ That’s where we differ.” <<

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And judging by the Gospels of Matthew that have been found in the original Hebrew, there are many areas of serious difference.

Thank Yahova for the Jews that have preserved these MS or we would never have the truth.


164 posted on 04/29/2013 3:00:54 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Cronos

ROFL That gap theory lives in your head or something? You just keep dragging that from thread to thread.


165 posted on 04/29/2013 5:56:39 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: Cronos
>> tsk, tsk, tsk -- your very words condemn you. "check out Baal and the sun god"<<

Reading comprehension is rather important. Do you not see the “and” in that sentence? How does that mean the Baal “is” the sun god?

>> i'm sorry about your views against Christianity<<

Against Christianity? I’m against the pagan influence of the RCC on what true Christianity is. Do you not think that people see how you try to twist my words?

>> but Christ is not a version of Baal or the sun god whichever one you are inferring<<

You are so right with that statement. I certainly didn’t say the Christ was a version of Baal or the sun god and your attempt at twisting my words to infer that I did is rather pathetic. If it's intentional because of your weak postion I would suggest re-evaluating you beliefs. If it's a reading comprehension problem I would suggest a tutor perhaps.

166 posted on 04/29/2013 6:25:41 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: ELS
>>Huh? It is traditionally lamb for Easter.<<

Riiiiggghhhttt!

http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/liturgicalyear/recipes/view.cfm?id=573

Easter dinner.
DIRECTIONS
Easter Dinner I Cream of Leek Soup Easter Glazed Ham with Fruit (see recipe) Potatoes and Peas in Cream (see recipe) Parslied Baby Carrots Tossed Green Salad Pink and White Meringue Torte (see recipe)

Easter Dinner II Cider-Baked Ham Slices (see recipe) Hot Broccoli in Hollandaise Sauce (see recipe) Fluffy Buttered Rice Pickled Beet Salad Hot Rolls Lemon Meringue Pie Demitasse

Don’t try to convince us that ham is not a traditional meat consumed on Easter.

167 posted on 04/29/2013 6:48:58 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear
" If it's a reading comprehension problem I would suggest a tutor perhaps. "


168 posted on 04/29/2013 8:02:40 PM PDT by narses
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To: CynicalBear; metmom
I don't drag it from thread to you -- you bring it up. Why do you believe in it when it is as es said Gap Theory is in every way irrelevent to the words of Yeshua. The fact is that it would destroy Yehova’s perfect nested pattern of sevens (sabbaths), so is not in my opinion worthy of discussion.

Do you realize that it is non-scriptural?

169 posted on 04/29/2013 9:12:10 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: editor-surveyor; CynicalBear
Nope, just thanking you for pointing out the scriptural illogical that is the Gap theory Gap Theory is in every way irrelevent to the words of Yeshua. The fact is that it would destroy Yehova’s perfect nested pattern of sevens (sabbaths), so is not in my opinion worthy of discussion.
170 posted on 04/29/2013 9:13:03 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: .45 Long Colt
No question of interpretation -- Christ's words are clear:

Now if you interpret it differently from Christ, well then, ok, your choice, I prefer to trust in His words, and they don't mean what you have been taught they mean. That's where we differ

171 posted on 04/29/2013 9:16:32 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: CynicalBear
CB: "check out Baal and the sun god"

CB: " I certainly didn’t say the Christ was a version of Baal or the sun god "

refuting your own statements? tsk.tsk. next would you bring up Odin hanging on a tree to say we Christians follow Odin's religion?

how many do you compare? Semiramis, Tammuz, Baal the sun god, Odin are all the places that you say Christianity comes from? why?

172 posted on 04/29/2013 9:19:16 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: Cronos

You trust in the shadows and symbols of Christ, I trust in the person of Christ. Huge difference.


173 posted on 04/29/2013 9:39:18 PM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: .45 Long Colt

“You trust in the shadows and symbols of Christ, ...”

Mind reading?


174 posted on 04/29/2013 9:53:15 PM PDT by narses
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To: metmom
THAT'S what we've been saying. That' it's just a memorial service.

Whining isn't going to change the truth. put on your big girl shoes and face the truth.

Catholic Priests do not "offer sacrifice." They re-present the original one of Christ. Jesus said at the last supper to "Do this in memory of me."

To a Jew of that time those words have specific meaning. He said them during the Passover. Jews, to this day believe that in celebrating the Passover, they are participating in the original one. So when Jesus says to celebrate the Eucharist, He is saying we participate in that original one.

Please do not take my word for this go to the website "askmoses.com" and as them what they believe about the original and current Passover celebration. They do not view them as separate events.

175 posted on 04/30/2013 2:27:19 AM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: editor-surveyor

ping for later


176 posted on 04/30/2013 3:52:32 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em, Danno)
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To: caww

ping for later


177 posted on 04/30/2013 3:54:37 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em, Danno)
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To: .45 Long Colt
Incorrect -- you trust in your own interpretation of Christ and disregard Christ's very own words.

I trust in Christ and His teachings, which are very clear:


178 posted on 04/30/2013 4:13:08 AM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: Cronos
>>I don't drag it from thread to you -- you bring it up.<<

Please show where, in this thread, prior to your bringing it in I brought up the gap theory.

179 posted on 04/30/2013 5:01:47 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: Cronos
>>that you say Christianity comes from?<<

The RCC corruption of what scripture teaches partially comes from most all pagan religions. Trying to twist my words doesn’t change that.

180 posted on 04/30/2013 5:11:14 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear
the fact is that you've got the concept wrong, just as wrong as your Gap theory. whatever cult r subscribing to, it's not Christianity, more like gap-theory paganism

Christians, whether Catholic or Orthodox or Pentecostal or Baptist or Lutheran or Methodist refute r false beliefs

You ought to read the Bible and see how wrong your posts' views are

181 posted on 04/30/2013 6:10:58 AM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: Cronos
>>You ought to read the Bible and see how wrong your posts' views are <<

ROFL! It’s Catholics who put tradition over scripture. Surely you don’t mean that scripture is the ultimate authority do you? If so, could you show me scripture teaching for the assumption of Mary.

182 posted on 04/30/2013 6:23:12 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear

Actually CB — if your scripture tells you to put something as fundamentally wrong as the Gap theory, perhaps you are reading some other bible besides the KJV?


183 posted on 04/30/2013 6:48:24 AM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: Cronos

Can’t find scriptural teaching for the assumption of Mary.


184 posted on 04/30/2013 6:53:33 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear
Two can play this game, but since you don't really appreciate Catholic traditions, your credibility is lacking.

From Fisheaters (emphasis mine):

Aside from the Easter eggs and Easter bread, the most traditional Easter foods are those made with all the things once forbidden or restricted during Lent (meats, butter, etc.), but the Easter food of all Easter foods is, of course, lamb, in honor of the Paschal lambs slain by the Israelites and whose blood was painted over their doors so death would pass them by, all prefiguring the Lamb of God Who takes away the sins of the world.

185 posted on 04/30/2013 10:42:38 AM PDT by ELS
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To: ELS

ROFL OH you thought I meant they only eat ham? Ham is still on the menu.


186 posted on 04/30/2013 4:00:34 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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