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Original research team member says science still can't explain Shroud (with video)
cns ^ | April 24, 2013 | Lauren Colegrove

Posted on 04/28/2013 12:51:20 PM PDT by NYer

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The truth about the Shroud of Turin - Interview with Barrie Schwortz
1 posted on 04/28/2013 12:51:21 PM PDT by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

Catholic ping!


2 posted on 04/28/2013 12:51:40 PM PDT by NYer (Beware the man of a single book - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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To: Swordmaker; shroudie

For your list.


3 posted on 04/28/2013 12:52:13 PM PDT by NYer (Beware the man of a single book - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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I have a shroud question if anyone knows. Are the wounds in the hand or in the wrist?


4 posted on 04/28/2013 12:59:30 PM PDT by ex-snook (God is Love)
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the hands are crossed with only the top viable but the one on top has a wound on the wrist
5 posted on 04/28/2013 1:05:23 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: ex-snook
I have a shroud question if anyone knows. Are the wounds in the hand or in the wrist?

In the wrist.

6 posted on 04/28/2013 1:07:38 PM PDT by sand88
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To: ex-snook
See for yourself (click on image to see larger size)...


7 posted on 04/28/2013 1:08:00 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama's Chechens are coming home...to roost.)
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To: NYer
In a paper published in 2005, chemist Raymond Rogers, member of the 1978 research team, challenged the claim that the shroud is a fake. He said the sample used in the 1988 carbon testing was a piece used to mend the cloth in the Middle Ages and that the methodology of the testing was erroneous.

Before he died, Raymond Rogers withdrew his belief that the Shroud was from the Middle Ages. As a result of questions raised by research provided by Sue Benford, he went back and did more testing. He confirmed that the carbon dating was performed on a portion of the Shroud that was repaired.

8 posted on 04/28/2013 1:13:33 PM PDT by sand88
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Statement: "Original research team member says science still can't explain Shroud ...."

Response: Ergo it is divine Q.E.D.

9 posted on 04/28/2013 1:13:33 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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Are the wounds in the hand or in the wrist?

According to the experts who examined the shroud, the wounds are in the wrist ref

10 posted on 04/28/2013 1:16:22 PM PDT by NYer (Beware the man of a single book - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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To: NYer

I know that Barry believes that the Shroud is authentic, but he has never converted. An unusual case!


11 posted on 04/28/2013 1:18:48 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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In the wrist. Nobody nails in the hands, they can’t support the weight of a person, it’d tear through them. They already were looking for this long ago, they know how the Romans crucified and know anatomy. You can see it in the image.


12 posted on 04/28/2013 1:19:29 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: NYer

Science still can’t fully explain things like the ancient Wootz steel.

Therefore, Wootz steel must be holy.

“Russian metallurgist Pavel Petrovich Anosov, Dr. Oleg Sherby and Dr. Jeff Wadsworth and Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory have all done research, attempting to create steels with similar characteristics to Wootz. However none have had any success so far and the original techniques used to produce Wootz steel in India have been lost for centuries.”


13 posted on 04/28/2013 1:20:22 PM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: sand88

And the repair had to date from the Middle Ages where a report arises about the shroud being repaired. In short, the shroud is easily older than the material introduced in the repaired part!


14 posted on 04/28/2013 1:22:29 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

The answer to that question is simple ~ if God selected a Jew to bring the message, then he’s a Jew ~


15 posted on 04/28/2013 1:24:10 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: James C. Bennett

Show me an ancient stainless steel sword with a photo of Jesus on it and we’ll talk. Otherwise, no go ~ the formula and process seem to have been lost as recently as the 18th century anyway.


16 posted on 04/28/2013 1:29:22 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

The point was something that was made by people in the past is not replicable by modern technology today. Wootz steel is one of those.


17 posted on 04/28/2013 1:33:00 PM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

For a jewish, largely secular scientist averse to Jesus being the messiah, it’s not really that unusual. Many jews can’t believe a god exists for allowing the holocaust to occur.

And of course just because you can’t explain something it doesn’t mean what we believe what happened is true. Just that science hasn’t figured it out yet. This reasoning somehow satisfies them with not having to decide one way or the other. The only faith they have is that someday, somehow, some way, “science will explain it”. Science doesn’t give the “why” to it, though, just the “what”.


18 posted on 04/28/2013 1:34:19 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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i'd say there is a slight difference between something that was known to be man made and produced in quantity before the formula was lost and something that is a one-off and cannot be explained...
19 posted on 04/28/2013 1:40:07 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: NYer
Does anyone here have the study explaining why the face looks proportional and non-distorted?

I still think that the explanation involving Leonardo Da Vinci is still the most likely one.
20 posted on 04/28/2013 1:57:40 PM PDT by Wanderer99
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