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Four people hurt in Albuquerque church stabbing (assailant screamed 'False preacher!')
LA Times ^ | 4/28/2013 | Matt Pearce

Posted on 04/28/2013 4:16:00 PM PDT by markomalley

At least four people were hurt at an Albuquerque church Sunday when a visitor jumped out of the pews and stabbed a choir member during a song, police and witnesses said.

The victims did not appear to have life-threatening injuries, police said.

Two parishioners told the Los Angeles Times that after communion at the St. Jude Thaddeus Catholic Church on Sunday morning, a man in his teens or early 20s leaped from the pews and stabbed the choir's lead singer while the choir was singing.

"While that was going on, people were just panicking. It was scary, you wouldn’t think something like that would happen in church," Reyes Stinson, 18, told The Times.

Another parishioner, Vanessa Lucero, 14, told The Times she was sitting right behind the man, who "was kind of twitchy, sketchy looking. He had a tattoo of an upside-down star on his wrist."

Lucero said the man climbed over the pews, punched and then repeatedly stabbed the choir's lead singer.

"He said, like, 'False preacher!' " Lucero said. "I don’t know why.”

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic
KEYWORDS: churchattack; stabbing
Let's leave the jokes aside on this one...
1 posted on 04/28/2013 4:16:00 PM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

Too bad no honest citizen was armed and blew this whack job away.


2 posted on 04/28/2013 4:17:16 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: markomalley

it’s why i never go to church unarmed.


3 posted on 04/28/2013 4:17:19 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: markomalley

Upside down star... Hm. Demon’s here.


4 posted on 04/28/2013 4:22:02 PM PDT by WriteOn (Truth)
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To: markomalley

For now, it is the nuts, but there is a considerable population in this country who despise Christians.

The violence will come when they have sufficient power.

We should not be surprised when it happens.


5 posted on 04/28/2013 4:22:59 PM PDT by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: WriteOn

Hates Masons, too.


6 posted on 04/28/2013 4:24:13 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: markomalley

I’m wondering about the motive?

An update at the LAT says they haven’t determined the motive yet, but this is good enough for me.

**’You don’t know about the Masons.’ “**


7 posted on 04/28/2013 4:25:49 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: markomalley

There’s a little more information than the earlier story, but really not enough to even begin to understand what was going on here.

Why stab the choir leader for “false preaching”? I’ve heard some pretty bad singing of some pretty bad 60s-style hymns, but I can’t think of a choir director who preached, let alone falsely.

As for the Masons, is he for them or against them? It’s not really clear.


8 posted on 04/28/2013 4:25:50 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: txhurl
How much do you know about the Masons?

They steal consecrated hosts for secret ceremonies.....basically they hate Catholics.

Catholics cannot be memebers of the Masons!

(supposedly)

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9 posted on 04/28/2013 4:28:50 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Me, too


10 posted on 04/28/2013 4:29:04 PM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Why am I both pro-life & pro-gun? Because both positions defend the innocent and protect the weak.)
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To: stinkerpot65

Just about all the deacons and our pastor carry guns at our church for situations like this. Something they only started doing the last 5 years. I’m not saying the guy would have been shot but he would have found several guns shoved in his face and forced to the ground when he first pounced. Expect more incidents like this to occur as the liberal atheists continue to lose their power base.


12 posted on 04/28/2013 4:35:41 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Cicero

The guys obviously NOT a Mason...lol. Just saying something cryptic to give a false impression about his motives which probably came from some stupid website.


13 posted on 04/28/2013 4:43:30 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: markomalley
Tell me again why churches should be gun-free zones. /sarc
15 posted on 04/28/2013 5:13:53 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney ( New book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. Buy from Amazon.)
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To: WriteOn

Yeah, the upside down star indicates satanism. You’d have to be pretty far gone to put a tattoo like that in a visible place.


16 posted on 04/28/2013 5:23:08 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: jsanders2001
Just about all the deacons and our pastor carry guns at our church for situations like this. Something they only started doing the last 5 years.

That's the consequence of all the criminally insane people being kicked out into the large world to live and to die however they may. Churches are usually open to everyone, and clergy is not expected to talk to people through a bulletproof glass and an intercom. Now and then a lunatic, just like this one, wanders in and does mayhem.

17 posted on 04/28/2013 5:23:14 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: markomalley

Maybe he had something personal against the choir leader.


18 posted on 04/28/2013 5:25:41 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Sarah is right.)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

I thought that was an upside down cross. An upside down star is a little like an upside down circle.


19 posted on 04/28/2013 5:53:42 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: markomalley

I’m going to say.... 52% chance he was just a schizophrenic. 28% chance he was an anti Catholic bigot. 20% chance he was raped by the stabbing victim.


20 posted on 04/28/2013 6:15:27 PM PDT by nitzy (You can avoid reality but you can't avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.)
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To: JoeFromSidney
Tell me again why churches should be gun HELL-free zones?

Clinging to God, Bible and guns when necessary. hell is a zone not allowed in church. ('

21 posted on 04/28/2013 6:16:33 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: nitzy
…20% chance he was raped by the stabbing victim.

The choir's lead singer???????

22 posted on 04/28/2013 6:21:17 PM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Hear, hear


23 posted on 04/28/2013 6:54:24 PM PDT by STD (One day closer to street justice)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I ALWAYS bring my Bible!


24 posted on 04/28/2013 7:00:25 PM PDT by bandleader
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To: Greysard
We don't need more gun control, we need crazy people control.

I'll bet you that someday we'll find a smoking gun. The Dem. Regime is using nut jobs to carry out these atrocities. ( Phoenix, Denver, Sandy Hook and Ft. Hood )

25 posted on 04/28/2013 7:00:49 PM PDT by STD (One day closer to street justice)
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To: Greysard
We don't need more gun control, we need crazy people control.

I'll bet you that someday we'll find a smoking gun. The Dem. Regime is using nut jobs to carry out these atrocities. ( Phoenix, Denver, Sandy Hook and Ft. Hood )

26 posted on 04/28/2013 7:01:01 PM PDT by STD (One day closer to street justice)
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To: Lurker

We have a couple of cops who often attend Mass in full uniform with their guns strapped on.

We had confirmation a couple of weeks ago and there was a woman who started saying, a little too loudly, that the bishop was no better than anyone else. An usher showed her the door.


27 posted on 04/28/2013 7:58:18 PM PDT by tiki
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To: STD

I think all news reports where there is a highly publicized shooting or an attack within the church should include photos of the perps if nothing more than to reinforce what we’ve been saying and thinking every time an incident occurs - that it’s an atheist commie loving liberal that commits these horrendous acts; the very same scum that votes for Obama. But often they don’t and I think it’s more than apparent as to why.


28 posted on 04/28/2013 8:14:39 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: markomalley; mickie
How d'ya know when a star is upside down?

Leni

29 posted on 04/28/2013 8:21:03 PM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: Salvation
Salvation wrote: " How much do you know about the Masons? They steal consecrated hosts for secret ceremonies.....basically they hate Catholics. Catholics cannot be memebers of the Masons! (supposedly)"

Not true at all. Salvation, if what you have posted above reflects your sincere beliefs about Masons, then your beliefs about the Fathers of our Country must equally be as abysmal.

If a Mason were to steal, that would result in a-u-t-o-m-a-t-i-c permanent expulsion. Masons are honorable upright men who believe in God. They are a benevolent group who pour countless time and money into charitable good works.

President Bill Clinton never took the steps to becoming a Mason after being President of his local DeMolay in high school. Then years later, when word of Clinton's indiscretions were made public, the local Freemason chapter removed Clinton's past history of being DeMolay President from all records.

Catholics are allowed to join the Masons. Historically it was the Roman Catholic Church who did not permit Catholics to become Freemasons, however that was rather difficult to enforce since the only way someone could know if someone else was truly a Mason is if they saw them inside the local Lodge. My dear departed Dad said that a Roman Catholic priest had long been a Mason in his lodge.

The requirements to become a Mason is to believe in God and apply for admission.


30 posted on 04/28/2013 11:09:31 PM PDT by bd476
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To: markomalley

The Choir leader was a false preacher?


31 posted on 04/28/2013 11:17:50 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: livius

Westboro Baptist is not a real church, its a leftist outfit trying to make Christians look bad


32 posted on 04/28/2013 11:21:19 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: tiki

Well, they are sinners like everyone else. Preachers are not any more holy or saved than the rest of us, they are supposed to be messengers, teachers of the Gospel. Nobody should ever think they are “better” than anyone else.


33 posted on 04/28/2013 11:23:39 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: All

well it seems like some “hafe them Caflix” freepers had been pretty quiet for some time...


34 posted on 04/29/2013 1:21:45 AM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: MinuteGal; markomalley; mickie
How d'ya know when a star is upside down?

In this case, we can assume the star is the 5-pointed star known as a pentacle. Pentacles are frequently used in magic rituals. If the "legs" point downward it has a number of positive meanings. But if the legs of the pentacle point upwards it is the sign of the "goat", i.e. Satan. I think that is the type of pentacle described here.

35 posted on 04/29/2013 5:54:46 AM PDT by jboot (It can happen here because it IS happening here.)
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To: Salvation
They steal consecrated hosts for secret ceremonies.....basically they hate Catholics.

Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.- Exodus 20:16

36 posted on 04/29/2013 7:56:24 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: jboot; mickie
Well, I suppose a 14 year-old girl sitting in the pew behind the slasher would get a brief glimpse of the perp's arm and know what a "pentacle" star was and what the position of the star's points would denote and if it was "upside-down" or not.

But then again, just walking through a large mall around here leads me to believe a 14 year-old with a stud in her bottom lip and another one perched on the side of her nose......and gothic-black eye-makeup laid on her sullen face with a trowel would definitely know what a pentacle is!

Leni

37 posted on 04/29/2013 11:40:38 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: MinuteGal; mickie

Many teenaged girls today dabble in some sort of “magic” and the ones who don’t will be familiar with any number of occult symbols thanks to TV and the movies. That said, I’m not sure how to precisely determine the tattoo’s orientation. From the point of view of the owner, a tattoo of a pentacle where a single point faced down the arm would appear to be right-side-up, while a star with a single point facing the elbow would be upside down. But who knows how she might have interpreted it? And then again, she may have just made it up.


38 posted on 04/29/2013 12:38:00 PM PDT by jboot (It can happen here because it IS happening here.)
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To: Cronos; All

Why argue with you! We know God is gracious and when he takes ALL CHRISTIANS to heaven, he’ll let Catholic Christians have a vast space all to themselves if that’s what they really want!


39 posted on 04/29/2013 1:19:15 PM PDT by mdmathis6 (Rest assured, Mankind is loved....both completely and severely!)
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To: jsanders2001
Dear FRiends,

Below, Anderson Cooper Interviews a very brave Boston Bombing victim Heather Abbott.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCt7ABe-_a8&feature=youtu.be

We can't help feel for this attractive and very well turned out victim as she comes out of surgery to tell her brave story of survival.

However, a quick search of Hollywood actors and actresses who are available to perform in TV, movies etc, we find a professional actress advertising her trade. She's not the only crisis actor we found advertising their skills on Hollywood Amputees. Look at Heather's professional bio. below

http://www.amputeesinhollywood.com/Videos.html

The truth is a valuable commodity, our government is clearly deceiving us. Why are they boosting the terror in Boston through the use of actors & actresses? They don't seem to be trying to hide their involvement very well, that might be a more important question?

Stay Safe,

Michael 

40 posted on 04/29/2013 2:03:42 PM PDT by STD (One day closer to street justice)
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To: STD

By my count, you have posted that comment fifteen times, now.
It does not look like the same girl to me.


41 posted on 04/29/2013 2:14:04 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: mdmathis6
the crowd referred to above does not include you. Yet you do know the Freepers I refer to

"vast space all to themselves" in heaven would be boring -- furthermore, there will be no such divisions there.

My point is that here on FR we have a tiny number of folks who want to do what the Albuquerque man does..

42 posted on 04/29/2013 9:14:37 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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