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Women Catholic Deacons 'No Longer Taboo'
The Local ^ | 4/29/13

Posted on 04/29/2013 4:49:39 PM PDT by marshmallow

Germany's top Roman Catholic has called for women to be allowed to become deacons, which would enable them to perform baptisms and marriages outside of mass - a novelty for Catholic women.

Archbishop of Freiburg Robert Zollitsch, who chairs the German Bishops' Conference, called for the change at the end of a four-day meeting to discuss possible reforms.

The conference, the first of its kind, invited 300 Roman Catholic experts to propose reforms. Zollitsch's comments echo year-long calls from the Central Committee of German Catholics to permit women to become deacons. On Sunday, Zollitsch said that aim was no longer a 'taboo.'

Zollitsch said the Catholic Church could only regain credibility and strength by committing to reform. He described an "atmosphere of openness and freedom" at the conference.

Deacons assist priests during church services and can perform baptisms and marriages outside of mass. Their primary role however is to serve the needy in their community and their duties are considered secular rather than pastoral.

Another proposal to emerge from the conference was to extend the rights of remarried divorcees to sit on church bodies such as parish councils. Conference members also discussed the possibility of granting them the right to receive Holy Communion and attend confession.

"It's important to me that, without undermining the sanctity of marriage, these men and women are taken seriously within the church and feel respected and at home," said Zollitsch. At present the reforms remain speculative and there is no proposed time-frame for their implementation. The position of divorcees remains highly controversial within the Church.

(Excerpt) Read more at thelocal.de ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Theology
KEYWORDS: heresy; women
First the "civil unions for homosexuals" trial balloon from Marini et al. Now this. They're pushing the envelope hard now to see how the new Pope will respond.
1 posted on 04/29/2013 4:49:39 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow
Nope, because the Deacon program is designed to prepare men for the priesthood. Now some will be married "Permanent Deacons", but when their wives die, if they want, they CAN enter the priesthood.

Sounds like just another way to foment dissent.

2 posted on 04/29/2013 5:02:20 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: marshmallow

Women Catholic Deacons ‘No Longer Taboo’


There’s hope for Sinkspur!


3 posted on 04/29/2013 5:04:08 PM PDT by OwenKellogg
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To: SuziQ
but when their wives die, if they want, they CAN enter the priesthood.

Incorrect. That's why it's called the Permanent Diaconate.

4 posted on 04/29/2013 5:13:49 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: marshmallow

I guess it’s time for a new top Catholic in Germany. Archbishop of Freiburg Robert Zollitsch clearly would be more at home in the Church of England and he should be helped there post haste!


5 posted on 04/29/2013 5:14:31 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: marshmallow

Projected Outcome:

In related news, Pope Francis accepted Bishop Zollitsch’s resignation...


6 posted on 04/29/2013 5:26:24 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: A.A. Cunningham

I believe there have been several ‘Permanent Deacons’ who, after the death of their wives, went on to join the priesthood. It’s not an automatic thing, but at that point, they’ve already completed some of the steps.


7 posted on 04/29/2013 5:36:34 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: marshmallow

Cannot (not will not) happen. There is only a single sacrament of Holy Orders which was established by Jesus Christ and which he conferred only on men. The division of the sacrament into three orders of bishop, priest and deacon were a latter development by the Apostles. The impossibility conferring the sacrament on women applies to the deaconate as much as the priesthood.


8 posted on 04/29/2013 5:51:03 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: marshmallow

big taboo here.


9 posted on 04/29/2013 5:51:16 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Petrosius

-— . The impossibility conferring the sacrament on women applies to the deaconate as much as the priesthood. -—

Beginning, end and middle of story.


10 posted on 04/29/2013 5:55:49 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: Secret Agent Man

No, No, and he!! No and yes, I am a woman.


11 posted on 04/29/2013 5:56:34 PM PDT by simonjo
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To: marshmallow

Deacons are either married and become a permanent Deacon serving the Church. Their wife will accompany them to many functions.

A transitional deacon is one who will be ordained a priest the following year. They usually work in a parish for during that one year.

I don’t believe post about women deacons at all because the Catholic Church endorses only the two positions I mentioned above.


12 posted on 04/29/2013 6:00:54 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: SuziQ

Altar service is a stepping stone to the priesthood too, and that’s been infiltrated.


13 posted on 04/29/2013 6:02:00 PM PDT by informavoracious (The ancient Greeks and Romans thought they were on the "right side of history.")
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To: SuziQ

I believe you are right. They cannot remarry and can proceed to another step of Holy Orders: Diaconate — Priesthood — Episcopate (Bishop).


14 posted on 04/29/2013 6:03:15 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: OwenKellogg

Sinkspur! That’s a handle I haven’t seen in a long time. Good old Sinky. Banned, no?


15 posted on 04/29/2013 6:03:30 PM PDT by informavoracious (The ancient Greeks and Romans thought they were on the "right side of history.")
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To: SuziQ
The rare exception is not the rule.

By the way there are many Permanent Deacons who are single.

There is a world of difference between the formation process of a Permanent Deacon - most Dioceses have very little actual classroom instruction in what basically amounts to a correspondence course- and that of a Priest.

16 posted on 04/29/2013 6:45:03 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: marshmallow
Go with God if you want to live.

And He's not found in the mirror.

17 posted on 04/29/2013 7:33:52 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: marshmallow; Chode; NYer; Salvation

Female deconess are in the bible so I have no problem with this.

I do believe however there are strict rules in the bible for a woman to be a deconess and that those rules ought to apply today.


18 posted on 04/29/2013 8:48:24 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: marshmallow

Who was teaching these people in the 5th grade?


19 posted on 04/30/2013 3:17:56 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Sarah is right.)
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To: Petrosius
There is only a single sacrament of Holy Orders which was established by Jesus Christ and which he conferred only on men.

He also conferred it only on Jews.

20 posted on 04/30/2013 3:23:53 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: SuziQ

“I believe there have been several ‘Permanent Deacons’ who, after the death of their wives, went on to join the priesthood.”

Several leave the deaconate when they’re told they can’t re-marry as well; in my experience they want the best of both worlds.


21 posted on 04/30/2013 3:25:13 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Morgana
I do believe however there are strict rules in the bible for a woman to be a deconess and that those rules ought to apply today.

Well ya but that's the bible...They are talking about the Catholic religion...

22 posted on 04/30/2013 6:12:59 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool; Chode

The catholic religion does believe in the Bible. Oh wait we give it to the world! So yes I’d say we believe in it.

I talked to some friends last night about the role of female deaconess in the Bible and most think their role was purely administrative. There are debates over this. I do know however the female deaconess were assigned to help female members of the church, which considering we wish to avoid another sex scandal is a good idea.


23 posted on 04/30/2013 6:35:56 AM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana
I do believe however there are strict rules in the bible for a woman to be a deconess(sic) and that those rules ought to apply today.

Bravo Sierra.

Provide chapter and verse references for the word "deaconess" in Scripture.

24 posted on 04/30/2013 9:00:13 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: Iscool

One must remember that when it comes to discussing Scripture, you couldn’t find your backside with both hands if spotted nine fingers.


25 posted on 04/30/2013 9:02:03 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: marshmallow

Perhaps it is the water or an inherent defect in German DNA. We all know of the trouble that a paranoid, schizophrenic, anti-semitic, alcoholic German monk who refused to control his libido caused in 1517.


26 posted on 04/30/2013 9:02:21 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Don’t get protestant on my a**. I’d have to go searching but right now I know off the top of my head Pheobe was one.


27 posted on 04/30/2013 12:50:54 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Sherman Logan

The first followers of Jesus were of course Jews so it was from them that the Apostles were chosen. But our Lord had many women followers. He made a deliberate decision to exclude them from ministry. Was he a misogynist? Are the advocates of female ordination more just than Jesus? These are the implications of those who would promote female ordination and they cannot be glossed over by flippant responses.


28 posted on 05/02/2013 3:47:39 AM PDT by Petrosius
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