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Vatican Fresco Cleaning Reveals Images of Native Americans
John Thavis blog ^ | 4/28/13 | John Thavis

Posted on 04/30/2013 10:42:44 AM PDT by marshmallow

It hasn’t drawn much attention yet, but the Vatican has quietly announced the discovery of what it believes is the first artistic representation of native Americans.

A detail of a fresco by the Renaissance artist Pinturicchio, discovered during restoration work in the Vatican Museums, depicts men dressed only in feathered headdresses who appear to be dancing, and another on horseback.

The painting was completed in 1494, shortly after Christopher Columbus returned from the New World with a detailed description of natives who painted themselves, danced and gave gifts of parrots.

For hundreds of years, the frescoed figures were hiding in plain sight – sort of. They are part of the background in a lunette fresco titled “The Resurrection,” noted for its depiction of Pope Alexander VI, the infamous Rodrigo Borgia, who was elected in 1492.

The detail was obscured by centuries of soot and grime, and came to life only recently when the fresco underwent a careful cleaning by Museum experts.

Vatican Museum director Antonio Paolucci announced the discovery in an article published April 27 by the Vatican newspaper. He stopped short of saying definitively that the figures depicted American Indians, but the newspaper headline was less cautious, proclaiming: “Here is the first image of the native Americans described by Columbus.”

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TOPICS: Catholic; History
KEYWORDS: americanindians; art; godsgravesglyphs; vatican

1 posted on 04/30/2013 10:42:44 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

The figures look African to me . .


2 posted on 04/30/2013 10:48:26 AM PDT by ▀udda▀udd (>> F U B O << "What the hell kind of country is this if I can only hate a man if he's white?")
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To: marshmallow

Where did the Indians get the horses?


3 posted on 04/30/2013 10:48:42 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: IMR 4350

Yeah, I was just about to comment on that myself.


4 posted on 04/30/2013 10:52:30 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: ├čudda├čudd

That little guy in front doesn’t look so African ...


5 posted on 04/30/2013 10:54:50 AM PDT by frithguild (You can call me Snippy the Anti-Freeper)
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To: IMR 4350

“Where did the Indians get the horses?”
From the Spanish 200 years after that was painted.


6 posted on 04/30/2013 10:56:17 AM PDT by MCF
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To: MCF

Time to break out the “it must be aliens” guy.


7 posted on 04/30/2013 10:58:42 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: marshmallow

Hey! Is that that Collins guy?


8 posted on 04/30/2013 10:59:11 AM PDT by Adder (No, Mr. Franklin, we could NOT keep it.)
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To: IMR 4350

The artist may have inferred that horses were everywhere. It probably took more than two years to determine that no indians had horses.


9 posted on 04/30/2013 11:00:54 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: muir_redwoods
So the artist was the predecessor of our MSM, just make s@#t up.
10 posted on 04/30/2013 11:06:11 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: ├čudda├čudd
They look like Taino Indians ~ the then current invader doing most of the invading throughout the Caribbean until the Spanish speakers showed up to do the jobs the native peoples were not up to!

Ancient story ~ but here the illegal aliens painted some paintings and that's the way it is.

I didn't see a horse in the inset shown above but Columbus, et al, always took horses and pigs with them wherever they went. 20 years can go by in a whiz and the place is full of them. Next year you'd have hots up to your armpits too! The Spanish and other explorers also distributed goats because they can live where even rats starve to death.

11 posted on 04/30/2013 11:07:12 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: marshmallow

Chief Wahoo, is that you?


12 posted on 04/30/2013 11:08:57 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: IMR 4350

Well, think for a minute how common horses must have been in Rome at the time. It might have been inconceivable that horses weren’t everywhere. I can’t fault him for making a reasonable inference.


13 posted on 04/30/2013 11:11:45 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: marshmallow

I see a fox or deer head and a raccoon.

No horses.

And they don’t look “African”.

Stupid ain’t a virtue.


14 posted on 04/30/2013 11:16:23 AM PDT by wolficatZ (Hey blue states....Got Food?)
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To: IMR 4350
The bright orbs behind them are obviously spacecraft coming to help Jesus ascend into the 5th dimension where he will commune with the reptilians from the planet Rigel 7...



15 posted on 04/30/2013 11:18:16 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: muir_redwoods

If he got enough info about the Indians being there and how they were dressed from the reports of CC, I’d think CC also would have reported they had no horses.


16 posted on 04/30/2013 11:19:17 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: marshmallow

Oh and there’s a cat next to the wolf/fox head ;-)


17 posted on 04/30/2013 11:19:18 AM PDT by wolficatZ (Hey blue states....Got Food?)
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To: VanDeKoik

There’s the answer how the horses got there.


18 posted on 04/30/2013 11:22:22 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: wolficatZ

That’s not a cat. It’s a Viking Kitten.

Well before Columbus.


19 posted on 04/30/2013 11:26:23 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: IMR 4350

Sometimes it’s easier to notice what is there vs what’s missing. Also there’s no evidence he talked directly to Columbus. It could have been third, forth or fifth hand information.


20 posted on 04/30/2013 1:00:45 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: IMR 4350

People don’t always listen, especially when the information contradicts assumptions that they have.


21 posted on 04/30/2013 1:00:48 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: IMR 4350

Ding ding ding! We have the winner!!!


22 posted on 04/30/2013 1:36:26 PM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: marshmallow; netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; ...

PIng!

23 posted on 05/03/2013 1:44:03 PM PDT by NYer (Beware the man of a single book - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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To: IMR 4350
Where did the Indians get the horses?

The Conquistadors who conquered them.

24 posted on 05/03/2013 5:23:52 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ

The painting was finished in 1494, only 2 years after Columbus discovered America and long before the Conquistadors.

Did Columbus have horses and let the Indians ride them?

Possibly, but doubtful.


25 posted on 05/04/2013 5:54:51 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: NYer; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ..

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks marshmallow.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


26 posted on 05/04/2013 7:09:57 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: muir_redwoods

/bingo


27 posted on 05/04/2013 7:12:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: ├čudda├čudd
The figures look african to me

That was my first thought.

28 posted on 05/04/2013 7:18:24 PM PDT by sneakers (Go Sheriff Joe!)
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To: marshmallow

Ever heard of “artistic license?” “We don’t need no stinkin’ facts!” As the photo credits say these days: “This is an artist’s conception of what the scene might have looked like.” Nothing’s changed. Consider that it took months to years for “news” to travel around the world at that time.


29 posted on 05/04/2013 9:06:46 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: NYer

Is that picture from Anthony Weiner’s phone?


30 posted on 05/04/2013 9:13:03 PM PDT by Batman11 (We came for the chicken sandwiches and a Sweet Tea Party broke out!)
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To: NYer

I do not see feathers as a headdress...I do not believe these are Amerinds. They are souls being called up during the Resurrection. Just my opinion.


31 posted on 05/04/2013 11:38:13 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: marshmallow
To me they reminded me of the faces on the floor in Belmez, Spain. The short width of the mouths seem characteristic of his other paintings. Makes me wonder if this is not so clearly a representation of the Indians actually seen, but the memory of them painted in the artists own style later on. After all, their color flesh is awfully white for someone who goes around naked all the time exposed to the sun but seems to be the color flesh he often used in his other paintings. http://mysteriesunsolvedstory.blogspot.com/2010/10/faces-on-floor-house-ghosts-in-spain.html http://www.ghost-story.co.uk/index.php/ghost-stories/219-the-faces-of-belmez-cordoba-spain
32 posted on 08/26/2013 12:20:41 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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