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To: katana; Utah Binger
This stele found near the Dead Sea could be a piece that simply was never completed by stone masons after the ink was applied by a calligrapher.

The "Caractors" are the only tangible evidence in existence related to Smith's story.
No gold plates, no brass plates, no peep stones, no Urim and Thummim...
only these "Caractors," not a single one of which is in the purported languages.

Smith's translation of the Caractors. According to Martin Harris (Joseph Smith - History, 1:64), "I went to the city of New York, and presented the characters which had been translated, with the translation thereof, to Professor Charles Anthon, a gentleman celebrated for his literary attainments. Professor Anthon stated that the translation was correct, more so than any he had before seen translated from the Egyptian. I then showed him those which were not yet translated,* and he said they were Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic; and he said they were true characters."

Speak right up now in all truthfulness. Isn't it revealing how Smith started out making a stab at creating believable "caractors" but quckly gave up and produced nothing but squiggles, ending up wih a series of nothing more than crude little scribbles? Yet Professor Anthon supposedly translated them!

*Harris must have had two or three pieces of paper with him—one with characters and a translation of them (on the same paper or a separate one) and one with untranslated characters—quite likely the "Caractors." Some Mormon "scholars" have gone out on a limb, sawed it off, and knocked themselves out trying to translate from these true Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic characters a segment that would correspond with a verse from 1 Nephi.

Modern-day experts in Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic. In 1829, any knowledge of these languages possessed by U.S. scholars would have been rudimentary at best. Expertise in them has vastly improved since then. So go ahead, do it. Get any modern expert in these languages to identify which of these "Caractors" are Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac and Arabic. Better still, accept the claim of Mormon apologists that Anthon did indeed so testify and that his appraisal of the Caractors was correct. (Op. cit, pp. 73-75)

Save your money! Samples of Assyriac/Aramaic and Arabic writing:


What say you? Which of Smith's "Caractors" resemble the Assyriac and Arabic ones? No need to pay experts for their analysis. A child could accurately check this out. These writing systems have remained constant for well over 3000 years.

19 posted on 05/02/2013 2:06:50 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Even in 1829 any "scholar" would have or should have been able to tell these "Caractors" bore no relationship with Aramaic/Assyriac or the Arabic alphabets. None of them were "unknown" in the west. Hebrew, a closely related language, was a subject of study in 18th and 19th century universities (I believe I read in his biography that John Adams studied it at Harvard). I studied Arabic in college and remember being able, about thirty years later, to understand bits of the Aramaic dialog Gibson used in Passion of the Christ. Many words in the languages are that close.

So "Professor Charles Anthon, a gentleman celebrated for his literary attainments" must have been as much an expert in Semitic languages as Al Gore is an authority on climate science. I have never understood how anyone could be gullible enough to believe in the teachings of Joseph Smith. But the same holds true for the followers of (in chronological order) Mohammed, L. Ron Hubbard, and Al Gore Jr. Combined there are between a billion and two poor souls on this planet who do and no amount of pointing out how utterly fraudulent these fellows were seems to have any effect on that belief. It's scary how easily misled humans really are and how fiercely they will defend utter and demonstrable nonsense.

21 posted on 05/02/2013 9:48:04 PM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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