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Just Sayin' [the ELCA's sordid treatment of Grace Lutheran Church, Eau Claire]
Common Sense for a Senseless World ^ | May 1, 2013 | Don Kriefall

Posted on 05/04/2013 2:52:16 PM PDT by rhema

One is often judged, fairly or unfairly, by the company they keep. Hang with someone who is a thief and it may be assumed that you are also a thief. Affiliate with an organization and those values espoused by that organization are assumed to be yours. Fair or not, it is what it is. While our Lord and Savior hung around with those judged not acceptable by society, He came to heal their spiritual shortcomings. Jesus healed the sick, both physically and spiritually. So, when Jesus sat down with prostitutes and tax collectors, He did so to heal their hearts and lead them back to righteousness. Unfortunately, in this new enlightened age, the leaders of the ELCA conspire with the world and enlist the law to enforce their idea of justice.

The leadership of Grace Lutheran Church in Eau Claire, Wisconsin was troubled by the doctrinal shifts of the ELCA. Discerning their role in a denomination that no longer held fast to traditional Lutheran doctrine, they chose to allow their congregation to decide if they wanted to remain affiliated with the ELCA. Their first vote passed, but the second failed to reach the required two thirds majority. After the vote, the leadership of Grace decided to affiliate jointly with the LCMC and ELCA, since the majority of the congregation had voted to leave the ELCA. Now, the plot thickens. About 70 disgruntled ELCA supporters left Grace and began to do whatever they could to disrupt the congregation that they once worshipped with. Anonymous complaints made against a council member at their place of employment. An unauthorized Facebook page purporting to be the official Grace Lutheran worship community was set up announcing that worship services would no longer be held at the church. Some would call this persistent troublemaking, but the all welcoming, all inclusive and tolerant ELCA not only allowed this behavior, they encouraged it.

Out of a few angry congregants, "Amazing Grace" was born and dubbed the “synodically authorized worship community”, to be led by none other than Bishop Duane Peterson, himself embroiled in a messy divorce. Now the ELCA specifically and strongly recommends that clergy involved in divorce refrain from ministering to congregations, since they may be negatively affected by the stress and proceedings of their divorce. Not this champion of the ELCA. Peterson filled the void in his life by leading the small break away congregation out into the world of legal proceedings. Not satisfied with the daunting task of beginning a new mission church, Peterson, the "Amazing Grace" malcontents, and the ELCA decided to take Grace to court. New territory here, but as you know, the ELCA has been claiming to be hearing God saying all kinds of new things, so they deem it is best to avail themselves of worldly laws and to use them against the people of God in spiritual matters.

The first court proceeding ordered Grace to end its affiliation with LCMC, of which Grace complied. The ever forgiving ELCA then decided to judge the pastors at Grace harshly, and removed them from the ELCA roster. It gets even more convoluted. The final court proceeding ordered the leadership of Grace to step down, turn over the keys and assets to the 70 malcontents, and removed the other 1700 members, (no, this is not a typo) from the active membership roll, making them associate members with no voting rights. Judge Molly GaleWyrick, one of the lowest rated judges in the state of Wisconsin, presided over one of the most illogical judgments ever rendered in a Wisconsin court. To make matters even worse, an appellate court refused to issue a stay, giving the ELCA free rein to dispose of the ample assets of Grace. Justice is truly blind and in this case, the best friend of the court was none other than the evil one himself.

Now, this case mirrors another instance of the un-evenhandedness of the ELCA. Although many ELCA churches are dual affiliated, only a few are challenged by the ELCA and not allowed to leave. Some are allowed to dual affiliate, others are removed from the ELCA roster as discipline for violating the ELCA constitution, such as St. Mark’s Lutheran Church in Marion, IA. St. Peter Lutheran Church in Fort Pierce, FL, like Grace Lutheran, had ample assets, with property holdings worth some $5.5 million. The ELCA challenged their two unanimous votes to leave and the synod council prohibited them from leaving and taking their valuable property with them. Eventually, St. Peter Lutheran Church did leave and is now a LCMC congregation. Just my humble opinion here, but these actions seem more like those a devious and unethical organization would choose to use to swindle good and trusting people.

For those who choose to remain in this apostate denomination, hear this. While Jesus sat with sinners, those sinners were led to repentance. The ELCA is scrambling to maintain their power and refuses to repent of their sinful actions. Sit in the pew of an ELCA church and turn over the gifts God has blessed you with is the equivalent of funding the evil one’s mischief in the world. These tax collectors will not only fail to apologize for their actions and make amends, they will continue to take money and resources from the willing and the unknowing, not using it to further God’s Kingdom, but to build up and maintain their own earthly wealth and status. By choosing to remain in unity with this errant church, you choose to hold on to the things of this world, rather than being united in Christ. Ephesians 5:5-7, “For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person—such a person is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them.”

Just sayin’.


TOPICS: Apologetics; General Discusssion; Mainline Protestant; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: apostasy; elca; galewyrick; gracelutheran; heresy; lutheran; peterson

1 posted on 05/04/2013 2:52:17 PM PDT by rhema
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To: SmithL; lightman; Honorary Serb
For those who choose to remain in this apostate denomination, hear this. While Jesus sat with sinners, those sinners were led to repentance. The ELCA is scrambling to maintain their power and refuses to repent of their sinful actions. Sit in the pew of an ELCA church and turn over the gifts God has blessed you with is the equivalent of funding the evil one’s mischief in the world. These tax collectors will not only fail to apologize for their actions and make amends, they will continue to take money and resources from the willing and the unknowing, not using it to further God’s Kingdom, but to build up and maintain their own earthly wealth and status. By choosing to remain in unity with this errant church, you choose to hold on to the things of this world, rather than being united in Christ. Ephesians 5:5-7, “For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person—such a person is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them.”
2 posted on 05/04/2013 2:53:29 PM PDT by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: rhema
Organized civil disobedience is required here. It would be a good learning experience for what, IMHO, is going to be one of the few effective tools in confronting and combating the Behemoth state. For the disenfranchised buy rightful communicants of grace Church absolute non-violence is required. However, and this is a big however, for many other conflicts with a state that is both unrighteous, unconstitutional, and depraved in its actions civil disobedience by no means is restricted to purely non-violent action. There is a war coming and unless we wish to be enslaved we have to think in time of how to wage a successful resistance.
3 posted on 05/04/2013 2:59:30 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: robowombat
Exposing the ELCA has much more information about Grace, including this report.
4 posted on 05/04/2013 3:23:47 PM PDT by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: rhema

This happens even in the PCUSA when churches decide to move out of an church denomination that is unscriptural. It is sad that Grace Lutheran was allowed to do what it did through the court.


5 posted on 05/04/2013 4:18:13 PM PDT by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: rhema
Boy are our various institutions disintegrating fast. While it must be it is sad.
6 posted on 05/04/2013 4:53:45 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: rhema

I just recently started going back to church after being in Oklahoma for 4 1/2 years. When I left Austin, I had been back at the ELCA church where I was baptized in the 1980s for about 3 years. After 2009, I just couldn’t bring myself to try another ELCA church. I’m now going to a beautiful LCMS church.


7 posted on 05/04/2013 5:04:45 PM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper
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To: lightman; cindy-true-supporter

ping!


8 posted on 05/04/2013 5:22:55 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Don't believe any rumors in Washington, DC until they are officially denied.)
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To: rhema

Has the ECLA gone full faggot?


9 posted on 05/04/2013 5:32:51 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard
It now ordains homosexuals and lesbians as pastors. Exposing the ELCA has a compilation of articles on the ELCA's embrace of Bible-proscribed sin.
10 posted on 05/04/2013 6:09:04 PM PDT by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: aberaussie; Aeronaut; aliquando; AlternateViewpoint; AnalogReigns; Archie Bunker on steroids; ...


Lutheran (EL C S*A) Ping!

* as of August 19, AD 2009, a liberal protestant SECT, not part of the holy, catholic and apostolic CHURCH.

Alleluia! Christ is Risen!

11 posted on 05/11/2013 6:32:59 PM PDT by lightman (If the Patriarchate of the East held a state like the Vatican I would apply for political asylum.)
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To: Lancey Howard

Yes. That is why half of my Church left and started a new one. We are NALC and LCMC. I was raised in the Church I left, but could not take it anymore. This started way earlier, it was just the straw that broke the camel’s back.


12 posted on 05/11/2013 10:31:08 PM PDT by aliquando (A Scout is T, L, H, F, C, K, O, C, T, B, C, and R.)
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To: aliquando
I left the ELCA back in 2005. I had read a church newsletter article written by the Minster our church was sponsoring in the Holy Land, castigating the Jews, blaming them for the way that the Palistanians had trashed all of the facilities that Israel had turned over to them.

Then, I sat in church and listened to one of our synod representitives talk about the "wonderful experience" she recently had when they tried to vote for acceptance of homosexuality. I looked at my son, sitting next to me and realized I was a stranger in my own church home.

Instead of staying for Sunday School, we got into the van and drove over to the nearby town that had a LMCS congregation. I had never been there, but I asked Jesus to take us home. I got off the Greenway in Ashburn, took two unlikely and unmarked turns and a half a mile after the second turn, there it was, Our Savior's Way LMCS church. We drove in, were welcomed with open arms, and I have never gone back to an ELCA church since.

13 posted on 05/12/2013 4:51:17 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: Redleg Duke

I wonder how much the LCMS has grown in the last few years? I’m a +1. I’m done with ELCA.


14 posted on 05/12/2013 1:33:19 PM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper (Lord, confuse the wicked, confound their words, for I see violence and strife in the city.Psalms55:9)
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To: Redleg Duke

I wonder how much the LCMS has grown in the last few years? I’m a +1. I’m done with ELCA.


15 posted on 05/12/2013 3:44:03 PM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper (Lord, confuse the wicked, confound their words, for I see violence and strife in the city.Psalms55:9)
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To: Redleg Duke

I took the same journey on a different highway a few years earlier when the pastor at the local church claimed that the “true presence” of Christ was more allegorical than literal.


16 posted on 05/13/2013 5:59:12 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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