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Uganda priest ostracized for publicizing clergy sex abuse
Digital Journal ^ | May 6 2013 | Brett Wilkins

Posted on 05/06/2013 11:00:57 AM PDT by BlueDragon

Kampala - A popular Ugandan priest has been ostracized from the Catholic Church after exposing what he calls an 'open secret'-- the rampant sexual abuse of children by clergy members.

Earlier this year, Ghanian cardinal and papal candidate Peter Turkson raised eyebrows when he told CNN that the international clergy sex abuse scandal couldn't happen in Africa because "African traditional systems kind of protect... its population against this tendency" and "in Africa homosexuality... [is] not countenanced in our society."

But one African priest strongly disagrees. Anthony Musaala, a gospel music star known as the "Dancing Priest," has been publicizing sex abuse among clergy in his native Uganda. In doing so, he's forcing the country's Catholic Church to confront an ugly epidemic that it says doesn't exist.

The Los Angeles Times reports that Musaala is paying a heavy price for his crusade against abusive clergy. In March, he was suspended indefinitely by Cyprian Lwanga, the Archbishop of Kampala, to whom he'd written about priests who not only sexually abused children but who also fathered children and kept secret wives. Musaala also called for a debate on whether priests should be allowed to marry.

Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/349596#ixzz2SX51QUpK


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
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From the http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-africa-catholic-abuse-20130505,0,6575458,full.story link;

One of the cases of abuse he cited involved himself. He was one of numerous boys sexually abused at 16, he says, by Catholic brothers at one of Uganda's best boarding schools. He also alleged several other cases of child sex abuse in his letter.

"Wherever you go, people know about this. It's like an open secret. People know. Nothing is ever done," said Musaala in an interview.

The letter was leaked to the news media. And in response, Lwanga suspended Musaala, saying his statements stirred up contempt for the Catholic Church and damaged the morale of believers.

Article ending with;

...information he received from some of his churchgoers proved troubling, he says.
"I do a lot of counseling and people share their stories with me. In almost every country I went to, I would hear these stories about priests with children and vulnerable women and young people who have interacted with priests," he said, referring to sexual intercourse. "And I was just thinking, how can this be possible on such a scale?"

At times, he fears for his safety and worries about the possibility of a mob attack. He's considering leaving Uganda, even though he loves his country. The newspapers "have written that I'm masquerading as a Catholic priest but I am a devil worshiper who has to be stopped at all costs. I'm trying to take it day by day."

1 posted on 05/06/2013 11:00:57 AM PDT by BlueDragon
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To: BlueDragon; metmom; Dr. Eckleburg; RnMomof7

I’m shocked!


2 posted on 05/06/2013 11:41:28 AM PDT by Gamecock ("Ultimately, Jesus died to save us from the wrath of God." ¬óR.C. Sproul)
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To: Gamecock

I’m not.

I guess once a priest always a priest applies to the molesters, but not those who expose them.

Interesting system of morals exists in the ranks of the clergy of Catholicism.


3 posted on 05/06/2013 12:05:26 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: BlueDragon
And in response, Lwanga suspended Musaala, saying his statements stirred up contempt for the Catholic Church and damaged the morale of believers.

Words fail me.....

4 posted on 05/06/2013 12:07:54 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom
There was this other comment (part of the Times article).which I don't intend accusatorial tone in highlighting;
Parishioner Stephen Sanya, 68, a retired postal worker, said it was common knowledge that some Ugandan priests have sex, or, as he put it, "serve nature" instead of God.

"There are cases where [priests] indulge in these things. I have seen and heard of cases," said Sanya, dawdling in the warm afternoon sun after dropping in to pray. "It's scandalizing. I suggest that if a priest is not ready to be celibate, he can resign and get married. But I haven't seen that happening in Uganda. Here, it's secret."

In the history of Christianity, mandated, strict celibacy was not part of the original guidance, or practice.

But how to talk about it? In this instance, that issue was raised in this instance, freighted with much extraneous baggage. Following links, it seems this priest may himself had some "gay experience" beyond himself being molested more than once, when he was only 16 yrs old, which complicates things...and would rationally lead to traditionalists having an out, for simply dismissing the entire affair. Yet if this priest be a bit queer, what turned him that way but other queer priests, even in Uganda (which was just touted by the an African Bishop recently, as not having that problem)?

5 posted on 05/06/2013 12:40:40 PM PDT by BlueDragon (Herein thou hast done foolishly: therefore from henceforth thou shalt have wars.)
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To: BlueDragon
"I do a lot of counseling and people share their stories with me. In almost every country I went to, I would hear these stories about priests with children and vulnerable women and young people who have interacted with priests," he said, referring to sexual intercourse. "And I was just thinking, how can this be possible on such a scale?"

What is wrong with the Catholic Church that this continues going on? Is there THAT many homosexual predators in the priesthood? Isn't it about time the Roman Catholic Church purge these people? Are seminaries still run like gay bathhouses in some places? Good grief.

6 posted on 05/06/2013 12:41:21 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: BlueDragon

“priests ... who also fathered children”

SHOCKED!

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01289a.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesare_Borgia

The more things change - the more some stay the same.


7 posted on 05/06/2013 12:51:57 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: Longbow1969
"What is wrong with the Catholic Church that this continues going on?"

What is wrong with man that he is fallen in nature? In the world there are about 500,000 Catholic priests, each a flawed human being and each a target of Satan. Please identify any other organization that has a similarly low number of incidents per clergy.

Peace be with you

8 posted on 05/06/2013 12:55:58 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave is a book, He left us a Church.)
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To: Longbow1969
What is wrong with the Catholic Church that this continues going on?

I dunno for sure, but some of it could be chalked up to a time-lag effect, with it taking some time for past influences to be eradicated?

At the very same time-frames, what do we see but a huge increase in sexual immorality in the wider culture? We can also lay some blame there? Meanwhile, they're not the only group with problems.

Unfortunately, Roman Catholic culture itself, both on the positive side (don't broadcast others sins, don't break the "seal" of the confessional booth---although some always have, here & there) and the initial denials that any such thing could be widely found in their own priesthood, made it both easier for abusers to hide, or simply be shuffled around while they were "counseled".

In addition to that sort of thing, here of late there has been a ratcheting up of gay demands across-the-board culturally, too, coupled with attack on Christianity. All "faith" or religion deemed good, except for the one with the most adherents, and the one which traditionally gives strong disapproval of homosexuality, much less predatory practices (if we discount secular humanism). So it is a struggle against the "humanists" which include the faggots, along with pretty much all materialists, whom recognize the creation and/or creature only, while denying there be a Creator.

They (the materialists) have been assembling their forces, doing their mind-control work along those lines, for some time now. Part of the overall effort, is trying to push sexual deviancy as normal, and now, pushing for legislation that would punish pretty much anyone for simply saying homosexuality is unnatural, unhealthy, deviant, unwise, eventually if not sooner harmful to those whom engage in that behaviour, etc.

10 posted on 05/06/2013 1:16:55 PM PDT by BlueDragon (Herein thou hast done foolishly: therefore from henceforth thou shalt have wars.)
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To: Longbow1969
What is wrong with the Catholic Church that this continues going on?

Can you point us to the threads where you've posed the same question about public education or the baptists or any of these protestants?

Do you accept everything you read on the internet as fact or do you reserve that only for select topics?

11 posted on 05/06/2013 1:18:14 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Big difference. Neither “public education” nor “the baptists” nor “these protestants” declare there is no salvation outside their particular area. None of them teach that they are the only way to God, and they have the ability to remit or retain the sins of the people. This is what makes the Catholic Church particularly odious regarding the ongoing sex abuse problems within her walls. She puts herself on a pedestal and then, when caught with her pants down, explains that she’s no different than “public education”or “the baptists” or “these protestants”. If you cannot understand the difference, you need to read your own church doctrine and see the hyprocracy contained within.


12 posted on 05/06/2013 1:45:01 PM PDT by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing are for an eternity..)
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To: smvoice
"She puts herself on a pedestal and then, when caught with her pants down, explains that she’s no different than “public education”or “the baptists” or “these protestants”."

That you hold the Church, and her adherents and clergy, to a higher standard than you do other religious and secular institutions shows that the pedestal is of your construction. It is, however a public acknowledgment that the Church is indeed special"

"From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more." - Luke 12:48

Clergy abuse is counter to Church teaching and no other institution in the world has a lower rate of abuse than does the Church. Let's not forget that every organization comprised of fallible persons and ordered to redemption and forgiveness will be a victim of its charity.

Peace to you

13 posted on 05/06/2013 2:37:55 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave is a book, He left us a Church.)
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To: BlueDragon; All
This is the LA Times reporting this incident.

That should set any Christian's hair on end.

Remember the words of Archbishop Charles J. Chaput:


We make a very serious mistake if we rely on media like the New York Times, Newsweek, CNN, or MSNBC for reliable news about religion. These news media simply don’t provide trustworthy information about religious faith—and sometimes they can’t provide it, either because of limited resources or because of their own editorial prejudices. These are secular operations focused on making a profit. They have very little sympathy for the Catholic faith, and quite a lot of aggressive skepticism toward any religious community that claims to preach and teach God’s truth.

14 posted on 05/06/2013 2:40:22 PM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: BlueDragon
Having said the above, this is the letter that got this priest suspended:

Father Anthony Musaala's controversial letter in full.

On Tuesday afternoon, the Catholic church through the Archbishop of Kampala Dr. Dr. Cyprian Kizito Lwanga announced that they had indefinitely suspended the dancing and singing priest Fr. Anthony Musaala over a letter he wrote calling for the church to allow priests and nuns to marry and to get married.

His argument was based on claims that  many Catholic priests and even Bishops are sexually abusing minors, have mistresses and have fathered children with several women who they are concealing or have abandoned. 


Below is the full letter Fr. Musaala wrote to the church and the clergy;
The "singing and dancing" priest Anthony Musaala

FR ANTHONY MUSAALA
MIREMBE GARDENS
PO BOX 30329
KAMPALA
Tuesday 12th March 2013

AN OPEN LETTER TO BISHOPS, PRIESTS AND LAITY: THE FAILURE OF CELIBATE CHASTITY AMONG DIOCESAN PRIESTS.

It is an open secret that many catholic priests and some bishops, in Uganda and elsewhere, no longer live celibate chastity.

From the numerous cases on the ground one might be forgiven for saying that most diocesan priests either don’t believe in celibacy anymore, or if they do, have long since given up the struggle to be chaste.

In any case it still seems important for priests to vow even a woefully imperfect celibacy, if only for the sake of the hallowed ‘priestly image’.

The church however still maintains the fable that most catholic priests persevere in celibate chastity fairly well, which fiction begs belief.

ALL IS NOT WELL

All is definitely not well with what I call ‘ administrative celibacy’, in the catholic church. It is a celibacy which is more forced than consented to, and its effects are anything but good.

I suggest that now more than at any other time, we must begin an open and frank dialogue about catholic priests becoming happily married men, rather than being miserable and single, either before or after ordination.

Although this may be quite a shock to many, but the alternative may be far worse. What do you think happens when lapses and scandals by priests, sisters, brother­s and bishops continue unabated , whether hidden or not?

My forecast is that we will have a few more years of catholic self-deception;­ perhaps ten, telling ourselves and the world that everything is Ok, nothing serious. Then more scandals will surface.

As people become more enlightened (as in Europe) there will be a crisis of faith, perhaps a sudden collapse, with many leaving the church, either to join other churches (whose pastors may be no better, but who appear to be less hypocritical about it), or to become agnostics, especially the middle classes.

One must remember that there are other challenges facing the church, such as general weakening of faith, loss of sacramental life, low incomes, dull liturgies, and the challenges of the media. Many of the youth ( not the children) are already alienated from Catholicism and are easy prey to proselytizing groups.

FACING THE NAKED TRUTH

The number of catholic priests and bishops who are sexually active in Uganda is unknown, but almost everywhere unedifying stories of priests ‘sexploits’, are not hard to come by. These stories are told in counseling or as anecdotes,or by the media. They are told within the parishes and beyond. They are told at home in families, in taxis, in hair salons and in the markets.

What is talked about? Priests’ secret and not so secret liaisons with girls and women, coerced sex with house-maids, with students, with relatives; priests ‘wives’ set up in well established homes; priests involved with a parishioner’s wife; of priests romantically involved with religious Sisters; priests offering money for sex, and so on…

If you add to this, a fair number of priests’ and bishops’ children scattered around the nation, who are carefully hidden from view (and not so carefully!), not to mention children who are aborted at priests’ behest, we begin to get the true picture of human weakness, whose consequences are nothing less than catastrophic both for the priest and his partners, and which cannot be concealed by taking a vow of celibacy, or by retreats and more prayers.

LETS LEARN FROM EUROPE AND AMERICA

While in Europe and the States, the scandal of numerous pedophile priests, whose victims are rightly suing the catholic church is widely reported in the media, very little by contrast is heard about priests and bishops in Africa who continue sexually abusing female minors (or vulnerable women) with no legal action taken.

Obviously time has come for serious measures to be undertaken, similar to those in Europe and America. Apart from legal action in civil and ecclesiastical courts against offenders, strict ‘child protection’ codes and practices, must be enforced, by the state which for instance should prohibit young or vulnerable females from residing in parish houses, where some of the abuses occur.

THE SINS OF DECEPTION AND SILENCE

Thus the unnecessary and unpalatable deception about celibate priests, that they are chaste when they are not is clearly contradicted by what is on the ground. The deception is of course not tenable for much longer.

Surely we must first tell ourselves the truth as a church, that is to say, that celibacy has failed or is failing us, and then also tell the world which we have been deceiving the naked truth, before we are completely overtaken by events.

Unfortunately there is an ominous unhealthy conspiracy of silence about these matters among the Ugandan clergy and faithful alike, probably because priestly celibacy might be seen to be a hollow shell, which it mostly is nowadays.

The laity for all their good will, are also co-opted into this unwholesome silence, sometimes for lack of information, sometimes because they believe that they have some ‘moral’ duty to be loyal to an imperfect church. In truth their silence shores up the sins of priests and the destroys many lives.

MARRIED PRIESTS NOT WANTED FOR THE WRONG REASONS

When I ask lay people whether catholic priests should have the option to marry the answer is always NO; since they say, that would make catholic priests like Anglican reverends! As if that was the worse possible fate, yet Anglican clergy who are married certainly do not have the same levels and same kinds of sexual lapses as their catholic counterparts..

Most lay people in Uganda would not like their priests to have the option of marriage, yet it is their very own children, sisters, wives who are being used and abused by the clergy!

THE CAMPAIGN

A campaign for optional married priesthood in the catholic church is now required. This campaign is primarily a form of education and purification. It is not be construed as a rebellion against established doctrine but a reading of the signs of the times

Since there are no fundamental theological arguments against a married priesthood (there are already some married priests in he UK and Uniate catholic churches) but only arguments from tradition and church discipline, I believe that it is a matter of time before common sense prevails and marriage for the clergy in the Latin rite (i.e. catholic) church is accepted..

I am aware that there is a big struggle ahead. Unfortunately celibacy also serves certain vested interests in the power structure of the church, and of course celibate priests are cheaper and easier to deal with, even to manipulate, by ecclesiastical authority, but I believe that in time we will be freed from this unnecessary yoke, unhelpful as it is, which is all the more severe in Africa where family and family ties are so crucial to one’s psychological equilibrium..

PERSONAL INTEREST

One factor which has prompted me to take up this campaign is my own biography. I am one of a handful of several priests who had the misfortune of appearing in the press for supposed sexual trespasses.

In my case,which was 2009, it was cited that I must be a homosexual, because I had homosexual friends and went to homosexual gatherings. Not that I cared much whether or not someone thinks that I am homosexual. Certainly I have been called worse things than that.

In my defence I tried to point out that I didn't actually recall having had homosexual relations with any of my rabid accusers, neither did they; which meant that hearsay alone became the evidence .

What I found troubling is what followed. Apart from all the pain and scandal caused to all concerned, I found that even though all the allegations were based on hearsay, I was being treated, by my superiors as the biggest sinner in Nineveh.

Up till now judgments are being made against me by ecclesiastical authority in the light of those events, which I suppose is to be expected. I wondered about this and came to the conclusion that priests who ‘get caught.’ like me, have to pay for the sins of all those who don’t get caught.

In other words failed celibacy requires scapegoats. Some clergy are able to get away with the grossest behavior  because of their age, position, influence or even because of financial inducements.

So while I appear to have little moral authority to talk about celibacy as a priestly virtue because of what may or may not have happened to me in 2009, nevertheless I can point out the systemic immorality of the institutionalized hypocrisy called celibate diocesan priesthood, which severely punishes lapses when they appear, but condones the secret crimes of many more.

I believe that there must be a new openness at whatever it takes. The point is not that diocesan priests should leave the priesthood and get married, but compel the church to offer the option of a married priesthood. This will put an end to the double lives so many priests are forced to live.

SOME CASES HEARD

Case One

I spoke with a 21 year old young man last week. He is one of seven children of a catholic priest who happens to still be serving within the Province of the Archdiocese of Kampala. The young man, who is willing to testify, lived in a parish house with his father priest, even serving on the altar with him, but having to pretend to be a visiting nephew.

At times he was assisted by his father to go to school, but was later abandoned. On one occasion he drank poison in order to end his life, due to the trauma, but was taken to hospital before he died.

Case Two

Another is a personal friend. He was fathered by a missionary priest of the White Fathers 58 years ago but is still suffering the trauma of no real identity or home.

Although he has since received some minimum compensation from the White fathers , he still feels that there was an injustice to his mother who is still alive , who was sexually assaulted by the said White father priest in his office when she was only sixteen. He wishes to sue.

Case Three

Another case is of a priest who seduced a member of my youth group who happened to be in need of school fees, at Old Kampala, She soon became pregnant by the said priest, disappeared from church activities and from her home to be established in a ‘home’.

Case Four

Another lady tells of how she went to confession, only to be sexually molested by the priest, who fondled her breasts during confession

Case Five

When I was at secondary school, it was common knowledge that various Brothers were having sexual activity with the boys. It was called ‘jaboo’. As a pubescent teenager, my first sexual encounter was actually with one of the brothers who invited me to his room on the pretext of doing some extra chemistry equations. I was sixteen at the time. Later I heard that several others had been through the same thing..with the same Brother and with other ones..Some are still alive to this day.

ACTION REQUIRED

I do not believe either that these cases are just a few ‘bad apples’ in the barrel, but rather they are symptomatic of a sick system which has lost its integrity in this one area, but won’t admit it.

Some of these cases are clearly criminal in nature, especially those of sex with children. They should be dealt with in a normal fashion and legal action taken in civil courts either against the church, or against those priests who offend.

I am therefore compiling cases from all over Uganda. I believe that if the all the victims of clergy molestations were to come out and sue the church in civil courts, such abuses would sharply decrease.

I am also helping to set up a Victims Support Group, independent of the church for obvious reasons, with guidance and help from similar groups in Europe and the States.

I have also engaged a Human rights lawyer to advise on the wider implications of clergy abuse on the basic human rights of individuals, especially women.

Join me in this exciting challenge to bring fundamental change and renewal to the catholic church.

Happy Easter

FR. ANTHONY MUSAALA

15 posted on 05/06/2013 2:43:14 PM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: BlueDragon; Al Hitan; ArrogantBustard; aruanan; BenKenobi; bronxville; bronx2; Catholic Canadian; ..
And this is his bishop's response:

Archbishop’s Lwanga’s Full Statement:

Dear people of God,

I deeply think of the immense suffering caused by the article produced in the media authored by Fr. Anthony Musaala, that seems to be casting a dark shadow of suspicion” over all priests.

Above all, the Church takes seriously the allegations in this article. On behalf of my fellow Catholic Bishops in Uganda I wish to assure the public that as leaders of the Catholic Church in Uganda; we are committed to the protection of the minors and rights of everyone. Investigations about these allegations are to begin immediately with of course cases that are proved.

It should however, be clear to everyone that the value of the choice of priestly celibacy according to the Catholic tradition still stands, and the need for solid human and Christian formation is underlined, both for seminarians and for those already ordained.

The Catholic Church’s Code of Canon Law states the stand of the Catholic Church on celibacy in Canon 277, which mandates clerical celibacy that: “Clerics are obliged to observe perfect and perpetual continence for the sake of the Kingdom of Heaven and therefore are obliged to observe celibacy, which is a special gift of God, by which sacred ministers can adhere more easily to Christ with an undivided heart and can more freely dedicate themselves to the services of God and mankind.”

This Church law is embraced willingly as prescribed by Can.1037 which states that: “A candidate for the permanent diaconate who is not married, and likewise a candidate for the priesthood, is not to be admitted to the order of diaconate unless he has, in the prescribed rite, publically before God and the Church undertaken the obligation of celibacy, or unless he has taken perpetual vows in a religious institute”. This means therefore that no one is forced to embrace this discipline before or at ordination.

Everyone should once again remember that until Christ came along (Mt 19:12), and then Paul (1 Cor. 7:32-35), the only state of life known was marriage but when Christ came, He made it clear that some people would remain celibate (“eunuchs”) for the sake of the Kingdom of God (Mt 19:12). St. Paul further recommended it for those who would be dedicated to serving God in this world (1 Cor. 7:7, 17, 32-35), for the salvation of souls and it is totally a freedom of choice as the above biblical quotations suggest.

If one fails to comply with this discipline, he does it on his own and not on behalf of the Church. Consequently personal failure in this regard is not an offence sanctioned by the Church. However we as Bishops deeply regret such failures and seek forgiveness from those who have been victims.

I indeed applaud all the many religious men and women who have remained faithful to this promise and there is nothing we can offer but our prayers for them.

It is very unfortunate that the author of the published document stands to call for suspension of this discipline through his proposed forum that has no Church legitimacy and yet the Church’s legislation and practice is clear on this point. None-the-less we are going to investigate into the allegations in the article with people concerned together with certainty of the author of this document.

As per now, after the acceptance of Fr. Musaala that he authored this document, the law prescribed by the Church in can. 1369 takes its course. This law states that: “A person is to be punished with a just penalty, who, at a public event or assembly, or in a published writing, or by otherwise using the means of social communication, utters blasphemy, or gravely harms public morals, or rails at or excites hatred of or contempt for religion or the Church.”

This means therefore that Fr. Musaala because of the publication of his article in the public media which damages good morals of Catholic believers and further expresses a wrong teaching against the Catholic Church’s teaching and that this stirs up hatred and contempt against the Church, he incurs a Ferendae sententiae penalty as prescribed by Can.1314. This means that Father Anthony Musaala is suspended from celebrating sacraments and sacramentals, from the powers of governance in accordance to the law of the Church Can.1335 and1336§1n.1, 2and3 as investigations are being carried on.

Once more I feel sorry of the inconveniences caused by this article and let us entrust the whole matter to our Lord the most chaste, for the conversion of hearts to do good.

Yours Sincerely in Christ,

+Cyprian K. Lwanga

ARCHBISHOP OF KAMPALA

Now I fully recognize that this won't change anybody's mind who is looking for any excuse to bash the Church.

And I also recognize that there is no place where the people in the Church militant are perfect. And I have heard of "married" priests and bishops from that part of the world (former Archbishop Milango, anybody?)

But anybody who carefully reads the two letters can see that the LA Times did not exactly report everything in this case. Everything = (in this case) the facts.

16 posted on 05/06/2013 2:50:32 PM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: metmom
"Words fail me....."

Your rush to judgment failed you.

Perhaps you can explain why some are so very quick to accept any negative story such as this one, regardless of the source, which serves to tarnish or diminish the Church, but spend countless hundreds of hours searching for dirt when any story reflects well on the Church. What WOULD Jesus say?

17 posted on 05/06/2013 2:53:41 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave is a book, He left us a Church.)
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To: markomalley
So ... if I may summarize:

1) Big Media, and in particular the LA Times, published an article about the Catholic Church which contains falsehoods, half truths, and distortions.

2) Big Media, and in particular the LA Times, was in a position to know the complete truth about the topic ... indeed they arguably cannot NOT have known the complete truth ... and yet chose to publish falsehood instead.

3) Big Media, and in particular the LA Times, have a longstanding reputation for engaging in (1) and (2) above.

4) Nevertheless, certain parties seem to treat reports published in Big Media, and in particular the LA Times, as though such reports were the complete and unmanipulated truth.

18 posted on 05/06/2013 2:59:02 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Natural Law

Oh, so nobody is perfect, eh?

Well, if actively homosexual, child molesting priests are good enough to practice in the Catholic church, I don’t see that ANY Catholic is in any position to point any fingers at ANYONE else’s lifestyle or church of preference.

It’s the height of hypocrisy to point fingers of condemnation against those who lave left the church and claim that it’s really secretly because of moral issues, and to blow off the abominable behavior of pederast priests with no more than a *Oh well, nobody is perfect*.

Disgusting beyond words. If nothing else, that reason alone would be enough to keep me out of the Catholic church. Such a flippant attitude towards some of the most destructive, life destroying sin speaks volumes of the people who have that kind of attitude, and it doesn’t paint a pretty picture of what’s in THEIR hearts.

Things have not changed in the last 1,000 years or so in Catholicism and I’d wager that there’s accounts of it going back further than that.

The gates of hell certainly are prevailing against the Catholic church but those inside are too blinded by their indoctrination to see it or want to admit it.

St. Peter Damian’s Book of Gomorrah: Homosexual Situation Graver than Damian’s Time
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/929551/posts

St Peter Damian
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/849122/posts


19 posted on 05/06/2013 2:59:37 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Natural Law; smvoice
That you hold the Church, and her adherents and clergy, to a higher standard than you do other religious and secular institutions shows that the pedestal is of your construction. It is, however a public acknowledgment that the Church is indeed special"

Baloney. THEY hold themselves up as taking the moral high ground. And someone who catches them in their obvious hypocrisy and calls them on it, is NOT acknowledging that they're "special", it's simply pointing out what EVERYONE but Catholics see. Their blatant double standard. Pretending to be something everyone knows they're not.

20 posted on 05/06/2013 3:03:31 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Natural Law

Sin is sin.

Not much to judge when God has already judged rape and homosexuality as sin.

Too bad the Catholic church won’t acknowledge the same when their priests engage in it.

I guess church discipline if for everyone but the clergy.

The gates of hell have prevailed against the Catholic church.


21 posted on 05/06/2013 3:06:13 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom
Not much to judge when God has already judged rape and homosexuality as sin.
Too bad the Catholic church won’t acknowledge the same when their priests engage in it.

You shall not bear false witness.

22 posted on 05/06/2013 3:09:42 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: metmom
"Sin is sin."

Except, as you have so often reminded us, not if the priests are among the elect, have spoken the magic words and been born again. Those sins were forgiven before the beginning if time, right?

23 posted on 05/06/2013 3:25:59 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave is a book, He left us a Church.)
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To: markomalley

Well, it’s all very sad, all the way from the sexual abuse through Fr. Musaala’s letter and the tendentious reporting to the careless disregard for reason of the usual antagonists.

At least I’m garnering more support for my theory that most of the most feral anti-Catholics embrace the error of Donatus.


24 posted on 05/06/2013 3:40:31 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (In te, Domine, speravi: non confundar in aeternum.)
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To: markomalley
Thank you, markomalley.

He who has ears to hear, let him hear.

25 posted on 05/06/2013 3:44:24 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("In Christ we form one body, and each member belongs to all the others." Romans 12:5)
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To: BlueDragon

Threads such as these do not seek to inform, the seek to revel in calumny. Rather than having a little fun at the expense of Catholics they belittle the martyrdom of the Ugandans, Catholics and Anglicans who suffered bringing Jesus to a primitive people under incredibly harsh circumstances. The really sad thing is that so many hearts have no charity or shame.


26 posted on 05/06/2013 3:47:52 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave is a book, He left us a Church.)
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To: markomalley
First stop; slime the messengers. Check.

What is the second reflex? Since blanket denials won't work at this time, then a Nixonian "limited hangout", while more slime and accusation is hurled at any who dare mention the double-standards?

I have little reason to have much doubt that the LA Times was badly misquoting this priest. There is only small doubt remaining as to the veracity of the information he claims is true. He could be wrong...at least in part. But to have this made up out of whole cloth --- for it to be purely fabrication? Uh-uh. I'm not buying that. Not for one second, though I'll confess you didn't actually come out and say that.

27 posted on 05/06/2013 4:15:32 PM PDT by BlueDragon (Herein thou hast done foolishly: therefore from henceforth thou shalt have wars.)
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To: Natural Law
Threads such as these do not seek to inform, the seek to revel in calumny.

So...you are engaging in calumny against my person for bringing it here? Seems so, for blended in with the sly mind reading, and attribution of motive, including mention of "no charity or shame", the other issues you raise are nothing but distraction away from the information presented.

I gotta' hand it to ya', you are a real pro.

28 posted on 05/06/2013 4:28:28 PM PDT by BlueDragon (Herein thou hast done foolishly: therefore from henceforth thou shalt have wars.)
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To: BlueDragon
I have little reason to have much doubt that the LA Times was badly misquoting this priest. There is only small doubt remaining as to the veracity of the information he claims is true. He could be wrong...at least in part. But to have this made up out of whole cloth --- for it to be purely fabrication? Uh-uh. I'm not buying that. Not for one second, though I'll confess you didn't actually come out and say that.

He wasn't slimed for talking about child abuse. He was suspended for publicly advocating heresy and trying to stir up a public campaign to support his views. That's why I posted what he actually said and what his archbishop actually said.

Had he merely brought out to light clerical sexual abuse or the like...and his bishop reacted in the way he did, the archbishop would have been wrong. However, that's not what happened, was it?

And that's where the LA Times distorted things.

29 posted on 05/06/2013 4:30:41 PM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: BlueDragon
"So...you are engaging in calumny against my person for bringing it here?"

I was very careful to differentiate between the consequences of the initial post and the motives. The consequences of initiating a thread based upon an anti-Catholic hit piece from a liberal news paper are indisputable.

I will give you to explain your motives since you brought them up, but attempting to make this about me is not permitted by forum rules.

Peace be with you.

30 posted on 05/06/2013 4:56:07 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave is a book, He left us a Church.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Then why don’t they do something about it?

They’re going after the wrong guy; the one who is EXPOSING it.

That makes them complicit in the sin and it’s been going on for centuries.

Seems that the only crime that priests can be called on is making the Catholic church look bad by exposing the sin within the ranks.

Too bad there’s no such thing as church discipline.


31 posted on 05/06/2013 5:02:41 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom
"They’re going after the wrong guy; the one who is EXPOSING it."

Why not try going after the truth and read posts #15 & #16. Its really very liberating

"And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." - John 8:32

32 posted on 05/06/2013 5:06:36 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave is a book, He left us a Church.)
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To: Natural Law
Except, as you have so often reminded us, not if the priests are among the elect, have spoken the magic words and been born again.

I doubt there are many priests who are truly born again. By their fruits you shall know them.

The sin that they live in shows that they are wolves in sheep's clothing, some of Satan's best agents working in the name of God.

Too bad the Roman church can't see that and won't act on doing something about it.

The gates have hell have prevailed against the Catholic church and it's clearly evidenced by the number of Satan's minions who have infiltrated the Catholic clergy and are busy destroying the lives of those unsuspecting and trusting parishioners and clearly evidenced by the number of his minions who oversee said priests and don't do anything about them.

33 posted on 05/06/2013 5:07:42 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: BlueDragon

Catholics rule number 1: The Catholic church can do no wrong.

Catholic rule number 2: See rule number 1.


34 posted on 05/06/2013 5:10:41 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Natural Law

I am free in Christ, free from the bondage of works and legalism that the Catholic church imposes on its followers.

Free to point out sin and point out hypocrisy without fear of being threatened with ex-communication and losing my salvation by a small minded, petty, Catholic hierarchy who will brook no dissent nor challenge to its entrenched authority.


35 posted on 05/06/2013 5:16:54 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: markomalley; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...
This means therefore that Fr. Musaala because of the publication of his article in the public media which damages good morals of Catholic believers and further expresses a wrong teaching against the Catholic Church’s teaching and that this stirs up hatred and contempt against the Church, he incurs a Ferendae sententiae penalty as prescribed by Can.1314. This means that Father Anthony Musaala is suspended from celebrating sacraments and sacramentals, from the powers of governance in accordance to the law of the Church Can.1335 and1336§1n.1, 2and3 as investigations are being carried on.

All about the guy doing the exposing and not a word about disciplining the offending molesting and raping priests.

I guess that means that making the church look bad is a greater offense to Catholic clergy than the sin that the priests participated in.

Pathetic.

36 posted on 05/06/2013 5:26:57 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: markomalley
According to the priest in other reports, he was himself subjected to a form of blackmail (by the local bishop) for years. So this didn't arise from a vacuum.

"He was suspended for publicly advocating heresy..." For broaching the subject of the possibility of priests being once again (as it was in the primitive and even centuries later, early church, similar to how it is among some Orthodox) not prohibited from marrying? That you say is heresy? It's more like, "we don't want to hear it" coupled with some resentment the issue was raised in this otherwise ugly context.

There is a video too, where it is claimed he didn't openly publish the letter, that it was someone else in the hierarchy who leaked it, though granted that could be a little bit difficult to believe given the title.

However, that's not what happened, was it?

Typical. All else gets swept under the rug, for a guilty party has been found and named. The thing is, advocating marriage for priests is not itself heresy, for a celibate priesthood is more technically a regulation, compared to male-only priesthood being a dogma, leaving the possibility the RCC could change it's mind, if it wished. Which leaves him being punished as much for blending in the reports of sexual abuse of minors, and sexual allegations (that non-celibacy is as much the norm rather than the exception, among Ugandan priests) and such things becoming public knowledge, regardless of WHAT ELSE is said in lawyerly fashion.

If all he had done was speak openly that the Latin church should reconsider marriage for priests, I seriously doubt he would be banished for "heresy".

Married priest were once as much the norm, rather than the exception. Many popes were themselves married.

In the scripture, bishops were advised to "be the husband of one wife", were they not? (Shall I bring the citation?) Nor were these bishops then and there required to forego all conjugal relations.

I Corinthians 7: 5-8
Do not deprive one another except perhaps by agreement for a set time, to devote yourselves to prayer, and then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. This I say by way of concession, not of command. I wish that all were as I myself am. But each has a particular gift from God, one having one kind and another a different kind. To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is well for them to remain unmarried as I am. But if they are not practicing self-control, they should marry. For it is better to marry than to be aflame with passion.

Though Paul advocated being single and celibate such as he was, was desirous, it was not mandated until many centuries later, and with the Orthodox not at all strictly required(?) save for bishops themselves to be "continent". That such ideas towards that word developed the way they did, is another story..and needless to say, compared to the scriptures themselves, the demand for sexual purity to be extended to no lawful conjugal relations whatsoever, didn't pick up steam until around the fourth century, much as many other Romanisms arising around then, that can be found controversial or otherwise problematic...

It is hardly heresy to now talk about it. Unless causing embarrassment is itself "heresy".

Get the charges correct. It's becoming obvious the Ugandan bishop did not.

He could re-word his own complaint to focus upon bring ill-repute? Aah, but that would bring the spotlight back upon the allegations themselves, wouldn't it? It's so much easier to just call the troublesome priest a heretic and be done with it.

37 posted on 05/06/2013 5:59:27 PM PDT by BlueDragon (Herein thou hast done foolishly: therefore from henceforth thou shalt have wars.)
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To: metmom
Then why don’t they do something about it?

If you'll actually read Abp. Lwanga's letter posted above, you'll see that they ARE "doing something about it".

Your entire objection is based on a false premise.

38 posted on 05/06/2013 6:00:42 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: metmom
Protestant Rule Number 1: "Rome" is the locus of all evil.

Protestant Rule Number 2: See rule number 1.

39 posted on 05/06/2013 6:01:59 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: metmom
From Abp. Lwanga's letter:

"Above all, the Church takes seriously the allegations in this article. On behalf of my fellow Catholic Bishops in Uganda I wish to assure the public that as leaders of the Catholic Church in Uganda; we are committed to the protection of the minors and rights of everyone. Investigations about these allegations are to begin immediately with of course cases that are proved."

Again, your objections are based on a false premise.

Your entire line of argument is ridiculous.

40 posted on 05/06/2013 6:03:49 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
"Your entire line of argument is ridiculous."

I would argue that the line is not ridiculous so much as it is pitiful. Those whose minds are poisoned by hatred cannot see truth, justice, reason or charity. They cannot see themselves how they really are. They are the ones most in need of our love and understanding.

Peace be with you

41 posted on 05/06/2013 6:19:41 PM PDT by Natural Law (Peace is not the absence of war, it is the completeness of communion with God.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
we are committed to the protection of the minors and rights of everyone. Investigations about these allegations are to begin immediately with of course cases that are proved."

The allegations didn't stop there. He claimed more than a few Ugandan priests were practicing heterosexual relationships. Some, arguably, possibly abusive. Others, it appears might be more along the lines of consensual, there being no coercion mentioned.

42 posted on 05/06/2013 6:28:19 PM PDT by BlueDragon (Herein thou hast done foolishly: therefore from henceforth thou shalt have wars.)
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To: Natural Law

Thank you. Yes, the distinction you make is significant.


43 posted on 05/06/2013 6:29:56 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: metmom

Pathetic indeed but not surprising or out of character. One only needs to look at the comments from Catholics here on FR. Invariably the response is that there are others who “do the same thing” or in some other way try to deflect. Just looking at the comments on this thread it becomes obvious that protecting the organization comes well ahead of condemning the practices of leadership. Pathetic indeed but incredibly sad at the same time. The number of people deceived by RCC is horrendous saddens the heart of any true Christian.


44 posted on 05/06/2013 6:30:00 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: Natural Law
Those whose minds are poisoned by hatred cannot see truth, justice, reason or charity. They cannot see themselves how they really are.

The illusion of asymmetric insight

45 posted on 05/06/2013 6:36:02 PM PDT by BlueDragon (Herein thou hast done foolishly: therefore from henceforth thou shalt have wars.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
On behalf of my fellow Catholic Bishops in Uganda I wish to assure the public that as leaders of the Catholic Church in Uganda; we are committed to the protection of the minors and rights of everyone.

A thousand plus years of Roman church history demonstrate otherwise.

46 posted on 05/06/2013 6:55:45 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: BlueDragon

Well that was quite a read.I’m glad I already knew all that and it will be helpfull when everyone else catches up.


48 posted on 05/06/2013 7:02:14 PM PDT by mitch5501 ("make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things ye shall never fall")
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To: metmom
"A thousand plus years of Roman church history demonstrate otherwise."

The facts speak for themselves. There is no place on earth for a child of either sex or any age than in the presence of a priest. By your logic, the fact that the highest incidence of abuse occurs in the home means even you can't be trusted either with children either. A half a million years of human history demonstrate that.

49 posted on 05/06/2013 7:08:10 PM PDT by Natural Law (Peace is not the absence of war, it is the completeness of communion with God.)
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To: CynicalBear
This problem is rampant around the world within the Catholic church and all we hear is accusations of hatred and bitterness for pointing out the hypocrisy and collusion that exists within the Catholic church.

Seems that the only ones who can see it are those not blinded by the indoctrination of the Catholic church.

Some of the most vile, reprehensible, and destructive sin that exists and the practitioners of it are given a pass and those who speak against it are the bad guys.

Image is everything, isn't it?

Matthew 23:25-28 25 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and the plate, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. 26 You blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and the plate, that the outside also may be clean.

27 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are full of dead people's bones and all uncleanness. 28 So you also outwardly appear righteous to others, but within you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.

So aptly applied to Catholic clergy for the sin against their laity.

Luke 6:43-45 43 “For no good tree bears bad fruit, nor again does a bad tree bear good fruit, 44 for each tree is known by its own fruit. For figs are not gathered from thornbushes, nor are grapes picked from a bramble bush. 45 The good person out of the good treasure of his heart produces good, and the evil person out of his evil treasure produces evil, for out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks.

Wonderful fruit those priests are producing. /s

50 posted on 05/06/2013 7:09:19 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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