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10 Reasons Why It's Hard to Become Catholic
Canterbury Tales ^ | May 6, 2013 | Taylor Marshall

Posted on 05/06/2013 6:31:14 PM PDT by NYer


Is it difficult to become Catholic?

I don't often disclose personal thoughts on this blog, but I feel that this is something that might be helpful for folks on both sides of the Tiber: Ten Reasons why it's hard to become Catholic.

I have spoken to somewhere between 50-100 Protestant ministers who have become Catholic or are contemplating entry into full communion with the Catholic Church. Most of these are Anglican or Presbyterian. A few have been Lutheran. 

Over the last several years, I've gathered up the "big ten" that either cause pain or lead to a man saying "No thanks," to the Catholic Church.

#10 Theological Submission
It's difficult to say serviam ("I will serve"). Theology is no longer "what I think". It requires a submission of the mind. At the same time, this a liberation of the mind. Still, it is difficult to tell oneself: "I don't fully understand the Treasury of Merit, but I will submit my reason to the reason of the Church."

#9 Priests
Catholic priests are not like Protestant ministers. Relatively speaking, they are more distant than Protestant clergy, albeit for good reasons sometimes. A Protestant has the experience of a minister smiling whenever he sees you, memorizing your name, and generally going out of his way to make a personal connection. This rarely happens in Catholicism. I admit it - it wounds my pride a little. I wish that I were greeted and hailed by the pastor after Mass. It's humbling to be part of the masses at Mass.

Protestant ministers usually have smaller congregations and more competition with one another. Hence, the minister is much more likely to say, "Hey, let's go to Starbucks this week and talk about your faith."

Of course, I know dozens of Catholic priests who do reach out on a personal level, but for the most part, Catholic priests are stretched out more thinly. Consequently, personal access is more rare. And to be honest, I'm glad to know that my priests are hearing confessions and going to the hospital all the time. That's a much better use of their time than drinking expensive coffee with me.

#8 Liturgy
I am beginning to think that there is nothing as controversial in the Catholic Church as liturgy. It is at the center of everything.

I like clean, tight liturgies. Altar boys turning on a dime and making a 90 degree right angle around the altar. Latin. Gregorian chant. Synchronized genuflections. Defined signs of the crosses. Corporal folded the proper way (up not down!) You may have guessed it. I attend the Extraordinary Form of the Mass.

However, it's not like that everywhere. There are some wonderful liturgies and some not-so-wonderful liturgies. Sometimes, potential converts walk in to a not-so-wonderful liturgy with broken rubrics and oddities. It's difficult for many - especially if they are coming from a more liturgical form of Protestantism. I don't know the best answer to this problem. All I know that it is a problem.

My suggested solution is the "Great Catholic Migration of the 21th Century." Click here to read more about "the great migration."

#7 Dealing with marriage, divorce, homosexuality, contraception, abortion
Some people have irregular marriages, live homosexual lifestyles, or enjoy the comforts of contraception. It's painful to allow your divorce and re-marriage to be examined by the bishop's tribunal. It's embarrassing to talk about a 'lifestyle.' It's not easy to imagine having a minivan overflowing with car seats or to rethink the vasectomy. 

For some, they have to revisit an abortion that occurred decades ago. These sort of things cut deep to the heart and make us squirm. All this is understandable and I think that these things should be addressed with caution and compassion. If you're a potential convert, pray for and seek out a good priest with whom you can speak confidentially.

I'll also add from personal experience, the healing a good confession is about 100 times more powerful than any of the shame or fear associated with past problems. I think others here would agree. 

(Please leave a comment below to testify to this reality so others might be assured.)

#6 Financial discomforts
If you're a clergyman you stand to lose your great pension, great health benefits, discretionary fund, and your salary. I've been there and it's tough. It's likely that you haven't been trained to do anything else that is marketable. I doubt that anyone out there will pay you six figures to write sermons for them or lead a small-group Bible study. It goes without saying that most ministers take a major pay cut when they become Catholic. Their family income goes down. They usually start having more kids. Also, they usually start paying for parochial education - another hit to the pocketbook.

#5 Vocational confusion
It was difficult at first to admit that my Anglican priesthood was invalid. I wasn't a priest long, but I heard confessions, anointed the dying, etc. What was I doing? What was God doing? Why did God let me function sacramentally with people who were deeply hurting. I still don't know how to "classify" those ministerial acts.

I think other would-be converts struggle with the same ideas. Even if they were laymen, they wonder about their past roles as Sunday school teachers, mentors, Bible study leaders, counselors, etc.

#4 Non-Catholic ridicule and estrangement
Family and friends do not understand. Even when they try to understand, they will never appreciate the frustrations, study, and heart-searching that goes into becoming Catholic. Some Anglicans still call me "Father", which makes me feel uncomfortable. Others have written terrible things about me. I've never been more greatly attacked for anything else in my life.

Tension often arises with parents and siblings. I've even heard of converts who were cut out of the inheritance because they became "Roman".

#3 Catholic ridicule and estrangement
This may seem odd, but some Catholics are suspicious of converts to Catholicism. These come in two forms. Type A is the cradle-Catholic who has all their ducks in a row and suspects the convert of being a crypto-Protestant unschooled in the ways of being Catholic. If the new Catholic prays extemporaneously, then it's "We don't do that." If the convert quotes Scripture about something, they frown upon this, too. 

Some Catholics also seem to think that it is helpful to ridicule my past as a non-Catholic, as if that would somehow validate me as now "one of them." Some Catholics just love to hear converts bash their former faith. This places converts in a strange position.

Type B is the cradle-Catholic who is less committed to the distinctives of the Catholic faith. They see zealous converts as a threat. These converts are overly-concerned with dogma and truth. And this leads us to obstruction number two...

#2 RCIA (Rite for Christian Initiation of Adults)
RCIA must have been invented so that every conversion to the Catholic Church might somehow be miraculous. It is becoming an element of Catholic lore that RCIA is commonly led or organized by someone who is a "type B" Catholic as described above. These people don't seem to understand how zealous these converts can be. These leaders stress the "feelings" part of Catholicism and not the "orthodoxy" part of Catholicism much to the chagrin of the converts who have had it up to their ears in Protestant appeals to their feelings.

It's amazing how many people "give up" in RCIA. It's also amazing how many push on through. I know many who have had wonderful RCIA experiences, but I know many more who had to defend the Catholic faith while taking RCIA.

Just so I don't step on any toes, I salute and applaud all the great RCIA teachers out there. I know that you're out there and we are thankful for you! Keep up the great work.

#1 Pride
I don't know how to say this in a witty way, but pride holds the number one slot. At one point in life I felt that I was too good for all those people who respected the Infant of Prague. I'm ashamed to admit, but there it is. Why join a religion where adherents air brush images of Our Lady of Guadalupe on the hoods of their lowriders? (I grew up in Texas...) One Protestant gentlemen even told me that he couldn't be Catholic because it was "the religion of the masses." I asked him what he meant, and the term "Mexicans" was employed in his reply. 

It's snobbery against the religion of the masses and immigrants.

It's just cooler to go to an Evangelical mega-church that has a pool, basketball gym, powerpoint presentations, podcasts, and a rocking "praise team." I sometimes wish that our homilies had really cool cultural references in them or solidly crafted "gotcha" endings. Alas, this is not typical of the parochial homily.


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To: Clint N. Suhks

Credo in Deum Patrem omnipotentem;
Creatorem caeli et terrae.

Et in Jesum Christum,
Filium eius unicum, Dominum nostrum;
qui conceptus est
de Spiritu Sancto,
natus ex Maria virgine;
passus sub Pontio Pilato,
crucifixus, mortuus, et sepultus;
descendit ad inferos;
tertia die resurrexit a mortuis;
ascendit ad caelos;
sedet ad dexteram Dei Patris omnipotentis;
inde venturus est
iudicare vivos et mortuos.

Credo in Spiritum Sanctum;
sanctam ecclesiam catholicam;
sanctorum communionem;
remissionem peccatorum;
carnis resurrectionem;
vitam aeternam. Amen.

In English:

I believe in God, the Father almighty,
creator of heaven and earth.

I believe in Jesus Christ,
his only Son, our Lord.
He was conceived
by the power of the Holy Spirit,
and born of the Virgin Mary,
He suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried;
He descended into hell.
On the third day he rose again;
he ascended into heaven,
he is seated at the right hand of the Father,
he will come again
to judge the living and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy Catholic church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen


21 posted on 05/06/2013 7:11:38 PM PDT by narses
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To: narses

I believe in the Virgin Mary and other miracles. I’m happy to pray for her, not to her.


22 posted on 05/06/2013 7:17:01 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (The amount of ammo you need is determined after the gunfight.)
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To: Tenacious 1; OneWingedShark
There is another aspect of this issue. On those occasions where the Catholic Church publicly excommunicates someone, it is often followed by a backlash from supporters. That in turn provokes confusion which generates individuals siding with the individual excommunicated. Take, for example, former priest, Roy Bourgeois, a staunch supporter of women's ordination. His superiors met with him on multiple occasions and issued warnings. When that failed, they turned to the Vatican and Pope Benedict formally excommunicated him in 2008. Bourgeois is still making the rounds, ginning up support through a showing of the movie “Pink Smoke Over the Vatican,” a 2011 documentary which details the controversial movement for women’s ordination. The tour was recently in Michigan and will soon be in NY. With the election of Pope Francis, Bourgeois plans to appeal his excommunication.

“Now will he have the courage to really bring about a real change, especially in the way of gender equality?” Bourgeois asked. “I’m cautiously optimistic.”

And these individuals have the sympathy of the mainstream media. Here is another example: Brazil Priest Excommunicated For Defending Gay Rights

Pelosi and Biden have excommunicated themselves. We don't need the media to turn them into martyrs.

23 posted on 05/06/2013 7:22:28 PM PDT by NYer (Beware the man of a single book - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

I believe in the Holy Spirit,
...
the communion of saints,
...

Yes?


24 posted on 05/06/2013 7:23:37 PM PDT by narses
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To: NYer

Pathetic.

Maybe spend your energy promoting Jesus as much as you do your denomination.


25 posted on 05/06/2013 7:25:39 PM PDT by Theo (May Christ be exalted above all.)
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To: NYer

I too believe In the Mother of Jesus but I don’t have to start my prayers with her. I don’t need to confess my sins to another mortal man, I go directly to God. I don’t worship Idols, I believe one must be Saved and Baptized. I do not believe simply sprinkling water on one is being Baptized. And I believe in the King James Bible. Just my views for what its worth.


26 posted on 05/06/2013 7:28:44 PM PDT by JamesA (You don't have to be big to stand tall)
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To: narses

I don’t understand. I already said I believe in the Holy Spirit. I’m just pointing out what was missed in the article, Anglicans don’t pray to Mary.


27 posted on 05/06/2013 7:30:52 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (The amount of ammo you need is determined after the gunfight.)
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To: Theo
"Maybe spend your energy promoting Jesus as much as you do your denomination."


28 posted on 05/06/2013 7:31:44 PM PDT by narses
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To: SuziQ
Thank you for sharing that wonderful story! It sounds like he had a wonderful time, experiencing family life in the real world. God bless you for opening your home to the Associate Pastor to dinner.

Our pastor knows the names of all the parishioners and greets everyone who shows up on Sunday. However, our parish is very small - only 80 families - so in that regard, we are like some of the protestant churches.

29 posted on 05/06/2013 7:34:15 PM PDT by NYer (Beware the man of a single book - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

See http://www.lambethconference.org/resolutions/1958/1958-79.cfm

Do you honor the Communion of Saints?


30 posted on 05/06/2013 7:35:03 PM PDT by narses
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To: OneWingedShark

(However, I do not think that all Catholics are not Christians.)

Gee, I would hope not. Considering that the Catholic Church (all rites, Latin as well as the Eastern Rites) are the ORIGINAL and true Christian Church and can trace their existence in a direct line from the present to the Apostles of Christ and Christ himself.


31 posted on 05/06/2013 7:37:12 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: NYer
Pelosi and Biden have excommunicated themselves. We don't need the media to turn them into martyrs.

That's like "give yourself a spanking" right?

32 posted on 05/06/2013 7:37:50 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: NYer
#9 Priests Catholic priests are not like Protestant ministers. Relatively speaking, they are more distant than Protestant clergy, albeit for good reasons sometimes. A Protestant has the experience of a minister smiling whenever he sees you, memorizing your name, and generally going out of his way to make a personal connection. This rarely happens in Catholicism. I admit it - it wounds my pride a little. I wish that I were greeted and hailed by the pastor after Mass. It's humbling to be part of the masses at Mass.

I belong to a rather large parish ... about 5,000 families with regular attendance in the 4,000 range per weekend. I know my pastor and his associate priest by name and they know me by name. And I'm not even one of the more heavily involved members. Yes, I am involved ... but not one of the folks that are busy every single day with church matters.

33 posted on 05/06/2013 7:38:03 PM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: JamesA
I don’t need to confess my sins to another mortal man, I go directly to God.

How do you know if He has forgiven them? That is why our Lord gave us the Sacrament of Reconciliation (John 20:23). Confession is to God through the priest. Absolution comes from God through the priest. There are no sweeter words than "I absolve you of your sins".

34 posted on 05/06/2013 7:39:54 PM PDT by NYer (Beware the man of a single book - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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To: Jim from C-Town

>> (However, I do not think that all Catholics are not Christians.)
>
> Gee, I would hope not. Considering that the Catholic Church (all rites, Latin as well as the Eastern Rites) are the ORIGINAL and true Christian Church and can trace their existence in a direct line from the present to the Apostles of Christ and Christ himself.

Which is why they’re preformed in the original Hebrew/Aramaic/Greek, right?


35 posted on 05/06/2013 7:40:01 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: narses

Of course I honor the Communion of Saints and the entire Apostle’s Creed.

But commemoration is praying for, not to.


36 posted on 05/06/2013 7:40:33 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (The amount of ammo you need is determined after the gunfight.)
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To: OneWingedShark

You can say whatever you like. It’s a free country. He, however, is very right.


37 posted on 05/06/2013 7:41:43 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: JamesA

“Jesus said to them again, ‘Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.’ And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.’ “


38 posted on 05/06/2013 7:43:37 PM PDT by narses
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To: OneWingedShark
Which is why they’re preformed in the original Hebrew/Aramaic/Greek, right?

Is that supposed to be a "gotcha" question?

It's a very interesting one ... the Eastern rites do retain their original Greek and Aramaic ... as the Latin rite retains its original Latin.

39 posted on 05/06/2013 7:44:13 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: NYer

Ex-protestant here. I am going to pass this article on because it speaks to me. :) Thank you for posting it.


40 posted on 05/06/2013 7:45:22 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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