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Three Orlando mega-church pastors resign after admitting to affairs
Sun-sentinel ^ | May 7, 2013 | Barbara HijekFloriDUH

Posted on 05/07/2013 8:52:00 AM PDT by Gamecock

They were men of the cloth.

But their cloth of preferance must have been silk -- as in lingerie.

Lead Pastor David Loveless, who has been married for 33-years and was recognized as "one of the top 20 Christian leaders in the US to watch," has resigned from the Discovery Church in Orlando after admitting to having an affair, reports the Orlando Sentinel.

Loveless is the third pastor of a major Orlando-area church to resign within the past six-months because of an affair.

(Excerpt) Read more at sun-sentinel.com ...


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KEYWORDS: adultery; megachurch; pastor; resignation
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1 posted on 05/07/2013 8:52:00 AM PDT by Gamecock
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To: Alex Murphy
one of the top 20 Christian leaders in the US to watch

I guess no one was watching.

2 posted on 05/07/2013 8:52:47 AM PDT by Gamecock ("Ultimately, Jesus died to save us from the wrath of God." —R.C. Sproul)
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To: DocRock; del4hope; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; Dr. Eckleburg; jude24; Ottofire; fishtank; ...
The YBPDLNPL is generally published infrequently, but based on the exploits of the megachurch pastors posts can spike for a period of time. If you would like on or off of this list please FReepmail me.


3 posted on 05/07/2013 8:53:35 AM PDT by Gamecock ("Ultimately, Jesus died to save us from the wrath of God." —R.C. Sproul)
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To: Gamecock

Who were the other two?


4 posted on 05/07/2013 8:55:17 AM PDT by apocalypto
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To: Gamecock
How very sad. In warfare the enemy labors to inflict casualties, as he has in these cases.

I pray for their repentance and ultimate restoration.

5 posted on 05/07/2013 8:56:18 AM PDT by Obadiah (High speed, low drag.)
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To: Gamecock

“”While we believe David Loveless can be restored to Christian fellowship and productive Christian service, we do not believe he can serve as a pastor at Discovery Church,” the statement said.”

At least they aren’t making excuses...


6 posted on 05/07/2013 8:56:25 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: Gamecock

Mega-Churches usually have Mega-Problems.


7 posted on 05/07/2013 8:58:21 AM PDT by TSgt (More Scott Roeders and fewer Tillers and Gosnells)
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To: Mr Rogers
A scriptural response.
8 posted on 05/07/2013 8:58:32 AM PDT by Obadiah (High speed, low drag.)
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To: Gamecock

To me, ALL “mega-church” pastors are suspect. They have political power that goes to their heads, not a lick of humility. They try to compensate with a gaudy, hundred million dollar structure, with a Starbucks installed, and think they are little kings over a kingdom.

Sorry, but small home churches is where it is, and will be in any coming spiritual awakening.


9 posted on 05/07/2013 8:58:53 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Gamecock

Right answer. If your life is out of control, step down.

You are welcome in the pews. You cannot be in leadership.


10 posted on 05/07/2013 8:59:37 AM PDT by marron
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To: TSgt
Mega-Churches usually have Mega-Problems.

Mainly mega-egos.

11 posted on 05/07/2013 8:59:47 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Gamecock

It seems like in every generation, certain pastors or other religious figures build up Christian empires and then are revealed to be frauds in some way. I’m not damning all successful ministers but its a good reminder of the temptations that come to them with fame and financial success.


12 posted on 05/07/2013 9:01:08 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Gamecock

I’ve never been impressed with mega-church “preachers” anyway. They tend to get heavily wrapped into a celebrity mentality. Give me a local fire-in-the-heart community church pastor anytime.


13 posted on 05/07/2013 9:02:43 AM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

I doubt seriously that any mega-minister could survive an intense investigation of his life. Between finances, love affairs, corruption, and abuse of position....I suspect they would all fail.


14 posted on 05/07/2013 9:03:55 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: TSgt
There is a small church close by where I live that is just dying to grow. They are having fund raisers weekly, pushing the members to give more and more so they can build a bigger sanctuary. Mind you they don't even come close to filling the one they have.

It seems to me that we put too much emphasis on growth and not enough to fulfilling the mission of preaching the word, in season and out. If we preach the word, numbers will take care of themselves.

15 posted on 05/07/2013 9:04:57 AM PDT by Gamecock ("Ultimately, Jesus died to save us from the wrath of God." —R.C. Sproul)
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To: fwdude

There are exceptions.

SnakeDoc


16 posted on 05/07/2013 9:06:09 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("I've shot people I like more for less." -- Raylan Givens)
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To: fwdude

Bingo!


17 posted on 05/07/2013 9:06:18 AM PDT by Fido969
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To: SnakeDoctor

Yes, but few, in my reckoning.


18 posted on 05/07/2013 9:07:17 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: ScottinVA

**** Give me a local fire-in-the-heart community church pastor anytime.****

Our local pastor never visits people in the parish without his wife. He always had others present when someone came to visit.

I read that Billy Graham always had an assistant check over his room or office before he went in as there were some people out to try and get him in some type of scandal.


19 posted on 05/07/2013 9:09:01 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Do we now register our pressure cookers?)
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To: fwdude

We had problems with our small home church. Our pastor basically was so stubborn that the elders quit. If you didn’t agree with his position on matter, then you were out.

He strongly believed in home groups, but they only met in the evenings. Those of us with kids in school had a hard time with this. Also, my husband is not very religious, so I’ve always gone to women’s Bible studies, and he would not let us set one up.

Then the youth group was in shambles. Now that those kids are 18 or over, I’ve found out that they are gay. They are the kids that went to public school. The one that were homeschooled or in private school seem to be okay. However, the youth group never talked about tough subjects like homosexuality.

Lots of the families that had been there a long time have moved to other churches.

Our new church is larger, and has very strong elders. Our pastor’s son died of a freak accident (carbon monoxide poisoning at a vacation home) last year, and the associate pastors and elders really stepped in to cover.

I feel much better in this church that it doesn’t rest on 1 person. It’s really a team effort.


20 posted on 05/07/2013 9:11:09 AM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: fwdude

I’d put up Ed Young (Second Baptist, Houston) against any, small or mega.

I’ve seen his son, Ed Young Jr. (Fellowship Church, Dallas) preach a time or two as well — and he also seems quite solid.

Mark Driscoll (Mars Hill, Seattle) is as doctrinally conservative as they come. Haven’t had the opportunity to see him preach — but his books are solid.

SnakeDoc


21 posted on 05/07/2013 9:11:35 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("I've shot people I like more for less." -- Raylan Givens)
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To: fwdude
"....small home churches is where it is, and will be in any coming spiritual awakening."

Amen.
And not just for a coming spiritual awakening, but for the coming persecution of the saints.
Sadly, when it occurs, a lot of these people will not know where to go, or how to do church in a basement........

22 posted on 05/07/2013 9:12:02 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: ScottinVA

Don’t be dissin’ Joel...


23 posted on 05/07/2013 9:14:05 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Gamecock

If only they were allowed to marry.


24 posted on 05/07/2013 9:14:38 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SnakeDoctor

No one will ever match Adrian Rodgers.


25 posted on 05/07/2013 9:16:14 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: luckystarmom
I'm sorry you had such a bad experience with a small home church. I'd encourage you to believe that this isn't the norm.

It sounds like they were trying to model it after a conventional "building-based" church, (youth group?) which is probably why it didn't work. Home churches are a completely different breed and can't be forced into the conventional mold.

26 posted on 05/07/2013 9:16:56 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: apocalypto

Mentioned in the full article at the link. Sad.


27 posted on 05/07/2013 9:21:32 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Gamecock

Ultimately, you can be sure that a faulty personal theology existed long before these affairs took place. It’s a heart issue, not a conduct issue, really.


28 posted on 05/07/2013 9:22:33 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Gamecock

Why are you associating Rick Warren with the Crystal Cathedral?

He has nothing to do with it. That’s Schuller’s gig.


29 posted on 05/07/2013 9:24:44 AM PDT by SandyInSeattle (The Cardinals chose wisely.)
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To: fwdude

I agree mostly but some churches like where I live due to growth have just grown exponentially

Not a true mega church

But 3/700-1000 services each Sunday

I know my preacher

Dove hunt with him....never a hint

He adores his wife who sadly is struggling with cancer

No big toys either but they do well with the children books she writes

I am more suspect of TV preachers and those ashamed to name their denomination


30 posted on 05/07/2013 9:29:32 AM PDT by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: Gamecock
Well don't you remember the "scripture" verse that goes "If you build it, they will come?"

I actually heard that at my old church, when they were pushing their $90 million expansion.

I almost puked when the new auditorium opened. There was a water feature in the new foyer and escalators going up and down. Then inside, there were two HUGE hi def monitors. I felt I was at a sporting venue specifically for the Gold Coast of Chicago.

What put the knife in it for me, was when one of the pastors was to lead us in prayer, thanking GOD for the WONDERFUL auditorium HE gave us. I felt it was SOooooo phoney. I felt it was a "cathedral" to MAN'S accomplishments, not Gods.

IIRC I attended 2-3 more times before I left. The last time was when they had some special guest. They had easels up throughout, announcing this guys presence (and maybe lauding his book). They interviewed this guy for like 5 minutes and then encouraged everyone to get his book and have him autograph it in the bookstore. This guy had NOTHING to do with the message, he was just some pseudo celebrity, who was supposed to be a christian, to appease and wow the masses.

That's when I left, and never looked back, though I have many friends that still go there.

I've been to a smaller mega church a number of times, but can't get past the head pastor. He's got a radio show that goes coast to coast, which is fine. His preaching is good, if not REAL GOOD.
But TO ME he just exudes arrogance. They have created a mini denomination unto themselves.

More and more I feel the draw to go back to the church I grew up in. They have a new pastor, who has been there a year or 2, and every indication is he's a humble man, who doesn't take HIMSELF too seriously. I hear good things from there.

31 posted on 05/07/2013 9:36:56 AM PDT by mountn man (ATTITUDE- The Pleasure You Get From Life, Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It.)
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To: Resolute Conservative

He was very good at what he did, that’s for sure.


32 posted on 05/07/2013 9:39:16 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: dfwgator

They are allowed to marry. these are Charismatic pastors of Name and Claim It Fame. They believe living by the spirit makes forth the issue that sins of their body make for them to be exempt. They take the meaning of the Corinthian Church as the Apostle paul wrote the letters to the church that was amassed in sin example sexual immorality. Pastors must be able to be an example, but the examples so far in the Charismatic churches are a whole lot to be desired, James bakker (woman), Jimmy Swaggart (woman), Roberts Liardon (man) and many others whom have been in sexual controversies.


33 posted on 05/07/2013 9:41:08 AM PDT by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: Psalm 73

I went to one of the Home churches....A Pastor left his church for belief it was becoming too worldly...too much friction with the other two Pastors on that matter.

I have to say his ‘ego’ was huge while I listened to him conduct a simple Bible Study.....and there were those who left with him who you could tell wanted someone to follow.
It was truly uncomfortable being there. I never went back.

Small churches and home churches have issues as well...but generally don’t make the press.


34 posted on 05/07/2013 9:41:09 AM PDT by caww
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I had heard Billy went EVERYWHERE with another man or 2 with him, if his wife wasn’t with him. Just to avoid so much as being alone on an elevator alone with a woman, to avoid even the possible appearance of wrong.


35 posted on 05/07/2013 9:41:20 AM PDT by mountn man (ATTITUDE- The Pleasure You Get From Life, Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It.)
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To: Gamecock
So 3 couples are traveling down the highway when they are all killed in a traffic accident. As they stand in front of St Peter they all expect to get into heaven based on their faithful Church attendance.

As the 1st couple approaches Peter says “You can't come in. You loved money more than God; you even married a woman named Penny.”

The 2nd couple comes up and Peter says “You can't come in. You loved drinking more than God; you even married a woman named Brandy.”

As Peter looks at the last couple the husband says, “come on Fanny let's go, I'm pretty sure we're not getting in.”

36 posted on 05/07/2013 9:43:42 AM PDT by fungoking (Tis a pleasure to live in the Ozarks)
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To: ScottinVA

“Give me a local fire-in-the-heart community church pastor anytime.”

Agree 100%.

But I think that so-called mega churches do serve a unique purpose that the local pastors/priests cannot easily do. For example, people flipping the TV channels in a hotel room may see/hear a life changing sermon, or maybe visiting someone for a time and a person will hear something meaningful to their life in a remote TV room.

God turns people’s lives around for His Glory at different times in different ways for special purposes.


37 posted on 05/07/2013 9:46:48 AM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Keep your eyes on Jesus. He is the same yesterday, today, and forever.)
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To: Resolute Conservative
Or D. James Kennedy.

Loved both their preaching.

Currently I like David Jeremiah, Charles Stanley and Michael Youssef. And when I hear them on the radio, I like Tony Evans and Erwin Lutzer.

38 posted on 05/07/2013 9:48:00 AM PDT by mountn man (ATTITUDE- The Pleasure You Get From Life, Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It.)
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To: Gamecock

The Crystal Cathedral is Roman Catholic. The Roman Catholic church wanted it at almost 60 million dollars and it fit their desire for grandiosity.


39 posted on 05/07/2013 9:49:19 AM PDT by ansel12 (Sodom and Gomorrah, flush with libertarians and liberals, short on social conservatives.)
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To: apocalypto
The article doesn't give the other names, but says this:

The lead pastor of Summit Church
the pastor of The Gathering Place Worship Center in Sanford

40 posted on 05/07/2013 9:49:25 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: SnakeDoctor

“I’d put up Ed Young (Second Baptist, Houston) against any, small or mega.

I’ve seen his son, Ed Young Jr. (Fellowship Church, Dallas) preach a time or two as well — and he also seems quite solid.

Mark Driscoll (Mars Hill, Seattle) is as doctrinally conservative as they come. Haven’t had the opportunity to see him preach — but his books are solid.

SnakeDoc

I agree on all points. Doctor Young is really a Jesus centered preacher.


41 posted on 05/07/2013 9:54:22 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: caww
"Small churches and home churches have issues as well..."

Anywhere you find people, you will find flawed people - "for all have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God"

That's why it's critical to know your Bible, and extend a ton of grace....we all need it!

42 posted on 05/07/2013 9:55:39 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Psalm 73
Most don't see this as so unfortunately, and for that many people fall into believing things they should not and or excusing.
43 posted on 05/07/2013 9:58:12 AM PDT by caww
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To: fwdude
To me, ALL “mega-church” pastors are suspect. They have political power that goes to their heads, not a lick of humility. They try to compensate with a gaudy, hundred million dollar structure, with a Starbucks installed, and think they are little kings over a kingdom.

Sorry, but small home churches is where it is, and will be in any coming spiritual awakening

Ya but what do ya do??? If you are good at preaching and the people keep coming, what's the solution...These guys just kept adding on but there's probably a better way to do it...

44 posted on 05/07/2013 9:58:25 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: Resolute Conservative

Amen to that...


45 posted on 05/07/2013 10:01:24 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: Gamecock

People who are in leadership in general are subject to pressures and temptations and stresses that simply go with the territory.

People in church leadership are no different. And as churches grow, the pressures and temptations grow maybe exponentially. They more than anyone need people in their personal lives to keep them grounded and accountable. That, and an active prayer life to keep them connected and to “keep the annointing”.

Preachers who go off the rails are almost a cliche. They are humans. But this is why churches need a strong eldership who are not toadies, and who are prepared to speak up and step in before lines have been crossed that must not be crossed.


46 posted on 05/07/2013 10:02:41 AM PDT by marron
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To: ansel12

it might be good to let prejudices aside for a minute. The book referred to in that image by GC is from the former pastor of the Crystal Cathedral. The article is about three Orlando mega-churches. Do try to stick to the topic, thank you


47 posted on 05/07/2013 10:03:07 AM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: caww
Amen, my friend:

"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables."
II Timothy 4:3,4

48 posted on 05/07/2013 10:03:46 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: caww
Small churches and home churches have issues as well...but generally don’t make the press.

All groups have problems or issues.

49 posted on 05/07/2013 10:04:16 AM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: Iscool
If you are good at preaching and the people keep coming, what's the solution...These guys just kept adding on but there's probably a better way to do it...

What exactly are they doing, though? Not all work is God's work, even if it is popular; much of it stinks in his nostrils. Wood, hay and stubble.

50 posted on 05/07/2013 10:04:31 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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