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“feeeelings… wo wo wo feeeeeeeelings….”
What Does The Prayer Really Say ^ | 5/8/2013 | Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

Posted on 05/08/2013 5:28:12 PM PDT by markomalley

It took them a few hours to get organized, but Fishwrap (aka National Schismatic Reporter), in its capacity of LCWR spin surrogate, has started to twist Pope Francis’s address to the UISG (HERE) into something that it is not.

Here is an example.

In my own quick translation of the meat of the Pope’s remarks, I commented that translation of the phrase (in Italian, but also in Latin) “sentire con la Chiesa… sentire cum ecclesia“, can be tricky to render into English.  In Italian, “sentire” has a stronger line of meaning in the senses and feeling, hearing, smelling, so forth.  But the phrase is not originally Italian.  It is Latin, sentire cum Ecclesia.  In Latin sentio means, yes, to discern by the senses, be sensible of”, like percipio, but it also has the “sense” sense of intellego: “to observe, notice” and “to judge, deem”.  For example, there is construction – exactly the construction we are interested in here - sentire cum aliquo, which means “to agree with one in opinion”. If you want to say, “I agree with you!” you can say “Tecum sentio!”, and you would be speaking exactly, like Plautus, Cicero, Quintillian, and writers of Latin through the ages.

If you have to cast your lot with one English word for sentire in the phrase sentire cum ecclesia, you would have to pick “think” or “agree”, and decidedly not feel.  That is not to say that emotions are excluded and this is all über-rationalist.   No.  But the governing concept is the mind, not emotions.  Emotions come along under the tutalage of the mind and will.

And so to the NSR piece where I read this HOWLER of a mistake, which conveniently fits the NSR’s and LCWR’s goal of twisting what the Pope said into something he did not say.  Read and be amazed:

The pope focused on three themes, telling the sister leaders to keep their lives centered on Christ, to think of authority in terms of service, and that they must hold a “feeling with the church ['sentire' con la Chiesa] that finds its filial expression in fidelity to the magisterium.”

Citing Pope Paul VI, Francis said, “It is an absurd dichotomy to think of living with Jesus but without the church, of following Jesus outside of the church, of loving Jesus without loving the church.”

Feel the responsibility that you have of caring for the formation of your institutes in sound church doctrine, in love of the church and in an ecclesial spirit,” the pope said.

Dominican Sr. Margaret Ormond told NCR after the pope’s talk that she thought he recognized the sisters “play a part in the church too, and there’s something to be learned from us.”

“I thought he inserted delicately the whole thing about feeling with the teachings of the church,” [Not. A. Clue.] said Ormond, the prioress of the Ohio-based Dominican Sisters of Peace and an elected regional representative to the sisters’ group from North America.

Ormond said she thought Francis’ use of the word “feel” regarding obedience to the church meant the pope “got his point in, but he wasn’t admonishing.”

Wasn’t admonishing?  That is exactly what he was doing!

The liberal nuns and their supporters are going to try to use this “feel” mistranslation thing to their advantage.

Keep this in mind.

The phrase “sentire cum Ecclesia” has its origins in Ignatian spirituality, with which we can assume Francis is familiar.  Many of the sisters whose institutes have Ignatian roots will get this, too.

Sentire cum Ecclesia is straight out of the Spiritual Exercises.

If you want a crash course in St. Ignatius’ own 18 Rules for “thinking” with the Church, check this out HERE or HERE.

Read the following.  In some translations it might be “Rules to have the true sentiment of the Church”.  My emphases:

  1. Always to be ready to obey with mind and heart, setting aside all judgement of one’s own, the true spouse of Jesus Christ, our holy mother, our infallible and orthodox mistress, the Catholic Church, whose authority is exercised over us by the hierarchy.
  2. To commend the confession of sins to a priest as it is practised in the Church; the reception of the Holy Eucharist once a year, or better still every week, or at least every month, with the necessary preparation.
  3. To commend to the faithful frequent and devout assistance at the holy sacrifice of the Mass, the ecclesiastical hymns, the divine office, and in general the prayers and devotions practised at stated times, whether in public in the churches or in private.
  4. To have a great esteem for the religious orders, and to give the preference to celibacy or virginity over the married state.
  5. To approve of the religious vows of chastity, poverty, perpetual obedience, as well as to the other works of perfection and supererogation. Let us remark in passing, that we must never engage by vow to take a state (such e.g. as marriage) that would be an impediment to one more perfect…
  6. To praise relics, the veneration and invocation of Saints: also the stations, and pious pilgrimages, indulgences, jubilees, the custom of lighting candles in the churches, and other such aids to piety and devotion.
  7. To praise the use of abstinence and fasts as those of Lent, of Ember Days, of Vigils, of Friday, Saturday, and of others undertaken out of pure devotion: also voluntary mortifications, which we call penances, not merely interior, but exterior also.
  8. To commend moreover the construction of churches, and ornaments; also images, to be venerated with the fullest right, for the sake of what they represent.
  9. To uphold especially all the precepts of the Church, and not censure them in any manner; but, on the contrary, to defend them promptly, with reasons drawn from all sources, against those who criticize them.
  10. To be eager to commend the decrees, mandates, traditions, rites and customs of the Fathers in the Faith or our superiors. As to their conduct; although there may not always be the uprightness of conduct that there ought to be, yet to attack or revile them in private or in public tends to scandal and disorder. Such attacks set the people against their princes and pastors; we must avoid such reproaches and never attack superiors before inferiors. The best course is to make private approach to those who have power to remedy the evil.
  11. To value most highly the sacred teaching, both the Positive and the Scholastic, as they are commonly called…
  12. It is a thing to be blamed and avoided to compare men who are living on the earth (however worthy of praise) with the Saints and Blessed, saying: This man is more learned than St. Augustine, etc…
  13. [This, everyone, is what the Pope was referring to...] That we may be altogether of the same mind and in conformity with the Church herself, if she shall have defined anything to be black which to our eyes appears to be white, we ought in like manner to pronounce it to be black. For we must undoubtedly believe, that the Spirit of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the Spirit of the Orthodox Church His Spouse, by which Spirit we are governed and directed to Salvation, is the same;…
  14. It must also be borne in mind, that although it be most true, that no one is saved but he that is predestinated, yet we must speak with circumspection concerning this matter, lest perchance, stressing too much the grace or predestination of God, we should seem to wish to shut out the force of free will and the merits of good works; or on the other hand, attributing to these latter more than belongs to them, we derogate meanwhile from the power of grace.
  15. For the like reason we should not speak on the subject of predestination frequently; if by chance we do so speak, we ought so to temper what we say as to give the people who hear no occasion of erring and saying, ‘If my salvation or damnation is already decreed, my good or evil actions are predetermined’; whence many are wont to neglect good works, and the means of salvation.
  16. It also happens not unfrequently, that from immoderate, preaching and praise of faith, without distinction or explanation added, the people seize a pretext for being lazy with regard to any good works, which precede faith, or follow it when it has been formed by the bond of charity.
  17. Not any more must we push to such a point when the preaching and inculcating of the grace of God, as that there may creep thence into the minds of the hearers the deadly error of denying our faculty of free will. We must speak of it as the glory of God requires… that we may not raise doubts as to liberty and the efficacy of good works.
  18. Although it is very praiseworthy and useful to serve God through the motive of pure charity, yet we must also recommend the fear of God; and not only filial fear, but servile fear, which is very useful and often even necessary to raise man from sin… Once risen from the state, and free from the affection of mortal sin, we may then speak of that filial fear which is truly worthy of God, and which gives and preserves the union of pure love.

Some will say that these are a little dates.  Okay, let’s stipulate.   But we cannot twist “sentire cum Ecclesia“, when spoke by a Pope who is a Jesuit into something that it is not!

Now you know what Francis really said.

Of course this is what the NSR heard:

Or if you prefer:




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Although the post has some good fisking to a fishwrap article, I had no choice but to post it given the title ;)
1 posted on 05/08/2013 5:28:12 PM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley
F-e-e-e-e-e-e-e--eeling (whew)

..fine.

2 posted on 05/08/2013 6:20:53 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (When I grow up, I'm gonna settle down, chew honeycomb & drive a tractor, grow things in the ground.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

GONG!!!!

It’s tradition.


3 posted on 05/08/2013 6:28:27 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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