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Pope Tells Sisters: You Canít Follow Jesus Without the Church
The Catholic Herald (UK) ^ | 8/8/13 | Cindy Wooden

Posted on 05/09/2013 7:41:18 AM PDT by marshmallow

Pope Francis told 800 superiors of women’s orders from around the world that the Catholic Church needs religious women and that religious women need to be in harmony with the faith and teachings of the Church.

“What would the Church be without you?” the Pope told the women today. “It would be missing maternity, affection, tenderness and a mother’s intuition.”

Religious superiors, Pope Francis said, need to ensure their members are educated in the doctrine of the Church, “in love for the Church and in an ecclesial spirit.”

Quoting Pope Paul VI, he said: “It’s an absurd dichotomy to think one can live with Jesus, but without the Church, to follow Jesus outside the Church, to love Jesus and not the Church.”

The sisters, who came from 76 countries, were in Rome for the plenary assembly of the International Union of Superiors General. The group welcomed the pope with loud applause and with the ululations of the African sisters among them.

US Sister Mary Lou Wirtz, superior of the Daughters of the Sacred Hearts of Jesus and Mary and president of the International Union of Superiors General, said the sisters “are very pleased with the Pope, and it gives them hope of maybe some change happening in the Church”.

They appreciate the Pope’s emphasis on serving the poor and going out to the margins of society, “because that’s what our service as religious women is about”.

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1 posted on 05/09/2013 7:41:18 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

“Love the Church?”


2 posted on 05/09/2013 7:47:58 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude

Is the Church the Body of Christ or not?


3 posted on 05/09/2013 7:50:19 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: pgyanke

Is he referring to the RCC??


4 posted on 05/09/2013 8:03:03 AM PDT by shankbear (The tree of Liberty appears to be perishing because there are few patriots willing to refresh it.)
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To: marshmallow
oy vey
5 posted on 05/09/2013 8:21:42 AM PDT by tomkat ( yo! > tyrannis delenda est !)
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To: marshmallow

Quoting Pope Paul VI, he said: “It’s an absurd dichotomy to think one can live with Jesus, but without the Church, to follow Jesus outside the Church, to love Jesus and not the Church.”

I do love the Church, but this is why I had to leave it. The idea that one can only have a proper relationship with Christ if the Church is in the middle of it is something I will never accept.

The Church has fallen into the same trap as most organized religions. It needs a huge reformation.


6 posted on 05/09/2013 8:34:55 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn....)
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To: shankbear

Of course. You wouldn’t try to sneak into Heaven through another Church would you?


7 posted on 05/09/2013 8:38:39 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: marshmallow

Care to back that up with scrip pappa?


8 posted on 05/09/2013 8:49:27 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("The arrogant one will stumble and fall With no one to raise him up" Jeremiah 50:32)
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To: marshmallow
Quoting Pope Paul VI, he said: “It’s an absurd dichotomy to think one can live with Jesus, but without the Church, to follow Jesus outside the Church, to love Jesus and not the Church.”

John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

What's really absurd is to think that you have to follow a church to follow Jesus.

People are perfectly capable of living with, following, and loving Jesus without someone holding their hand to do it.

Organized religions who claim you have to do it through them treat people like morons who are not capable of doing anything right on their own.

10 posted on 05/09/2013 9:03:27 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: rawcatslyentist

According to doctrine, “pappa’s” declarations are on equal authority with Scripture, aren’t they?

I don’t believe that - there’s one Authority, and it ain’t an institution of man.


11 posted on 05/09/2013 9:05:50 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: marshmallow

What exactly does the Catholic Church provide that Jesus does not?


12 posted on 05/09/2013 9:19:25 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: marshmallow

“What would the Church be without you?” the Pope told the women today. “It would be missing maternity, affection, tenderness and a mother’s intuition.”


The Obamaista bull dyke feminists aren’t going to like “sexism” this much.

I hope they come out of the church’s closet screaming and get sidelined.


13 posted on 05/09/2013 9:22:31 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: marshmallow

I have been following what this man has been laying down, so far-but he is very wrong here.


14 posted on 05/09/2013 9:24:28 AM PDT by Truth2012
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To: pgyanke
Is the Church the Body of Christ or not?

It is - but it is the Church that predates the current Catholic Church - it is the Church of the believers and followers of Christ who did it before the Catholic Church (or any other relevant Christian religion) came into being.

15 posted on 05/09/2013 9:35:38 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: fwdude

I believe the Pope is referring to church as the Roman Catholic Church when speaking to the nuns. Too often the liberal religious congregations have forgotten entirely that to be a good Christian you must first embrace the Lord Jesus as Saviour and must be repentant of your sins. Liberals seem to forget that sins exist as it makes them uncomfortable to speak of it, lest someone might think you are being judgemental and intolerant. As a Christian one of our callings to evangelization is to convict the world of sin and the need for Jesus’s saving grace.

However, the term, the “Christian Church” or “the Body of Christ” can also refer to the entire legion of Christians throughout the world. So, I suppose Pope Francis’s word may seem to be unreasonable, but they are not considering his audience.


16 posted on 05/09/2013 9:38:08 AM PDT by Gumdrop
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To: Gumdrop

I agree with your sentiment. In this context he’s not referring to the Catholic Church as an organization, but to the Church Universal. The quote is just a means to that end.

Francis is admonishing them for falling in love with the worldy trappings of their social services - the feelgoods, the praise and admiration from the secular world, etc. - and not for the true Christian purpose of their mission, which is to see and glorify the Face of God as revealed in His creation.


17 posted on 05/09/2013 5:33:52 PM PDT by HoosierDammit (St. Vincent de Paul, pray for us!)
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