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Catholic church interferred in investigation (sexual abuse - Australia)
ABC.net.au ^ | 5/8/2013 | Suzanne Smith

Posted on 05/09/2013 9:01:41 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne

Former policeman turned state parliamentarian, Troy Grant, told the special commission of inquiry into the handling of child sexual abuse in the Maitland-Newcastle diocese that members of the Catholic Church had interferred in his investigation into sexual abuse.

(Excerpt) Read more at abc.net.au ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: abuse; agendadrivenfreeper; catholic
More cover-up of depravity from the catholic church.
1 posted on 05/09/2013 9:01:41 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne
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To: Dr. Thorne

So, we’re supposed to take the unsupported word of a politician being interviewed by an unknown presstitute about something that happened about forty years ago?

Sounds like more anti-Catholic bigotry to me.


2 posted on 05/09/2013 9:09:19 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Dr. Thorne
A random politician makes a statement, as reported by abc news, and you present it as fact?

A trend I've observed from both Catholics and Protestants here is that either side will post NY-Slimes, abc, or cbs pieces with impunity that support their side of the discussion, but when the other side does the same the reaction is "just another anti-Baptist/Catholic/Calvinist/Orthodox hit-piece!"

The media is out against ALL of us, which is why I take any article from such sources with a huge grain of salt.

3 posted on 05/09/2013 9:21:39 AM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12----No king but Christ! Don't tread on me!)
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To: Dr. Thorne

Really??? Of everything in the news today you post this?? You choose to take a swipe at fellow Christians instead? Okie doke then....kinda speaks volumes.


6 posted on 05/09/2013 11:02:36 AM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Why am I both pro-life & pro-gun? Because both positions defend the innocent and protect the weak.)
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To: Dr. Thorne; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...
More cover-up of depravity from the catholic church.

(Imagine that)

But,.... but.... but.... it CAN'T be!!!

We've been assured over and over by FRoman Catholics that the problem is well in hand and "something" is being done about it.

7 posted on 05/09/2013 1:07:55 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Dr. Thorne

Looks like you hit a nerve.

Catholics just can’t stand the facts about their church being exposed.

If you had posted something that made the RCC look good, it would have been true enough to be written in stone.

Something that makes it look bad, and it’s *hate* and *anti-Catholic bigotry*.

Image is everything.


8 posted on 05/09/2013 1:10:42 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom

I can’t imagine staying in an organization that has that filth so pervasive and engrained.


9 posted on 05/09/2013 3:31:02 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear

When are you leaving the U.S.?


10 posted on 05/09/2013 5:20:44 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

LOL Nice try but if you don’t see the differences it’s probably futile to try to explain. Interesting though that you seem to think the two are the same.


12 posted on 05/09/2013 5:36:15 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear

There was no try. I succeeded in making my point. The U.S. is filled with evil and it is being enshrined into U.S. law now (gay marriage, abortion, etc). Yet you stay in the U.S. You pay taxes to an evil and corrupt government. Why?

The Catholic Church has some evil people in it. But the Catholic Church was founded by Christ.


15 posted on 05/09/2013 5:43:18 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: RegulatorCountry

Take it as you wish since it is imaterial in any case.


16 posted on 05/09/2013 5:43:55 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998
>>I succeeded in making my point.<<

No you didn’t. Living in the U.S. has no relationship to my salvation. It is not my connection to Christ and I don’t rely on it for my knowledge of scripture.

>> The Catholic Church has some evil people in it.<<

No kidding.

>> But the Catholic Church was founded by Christ.<<

No it wasn’t. Most of the rituals, beliefs, garments, symbols etc. of the RCC are from pagan origin.

17 posted on 05/09/2013 6:33:46 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear

You wrote:

“No you didn’t.”

Yes, I did.

“Living in the U.S. has no relationship to my salvation.”

Neither does corruption in the hearts and actions of people in the Catholic Church.

“It is not my connection to Christ and I don’t rely on it for my knowledge of scripture.”

I think the real problem is that you don’t (apparently) understand the Catholic Church. Corrupt people in the Church can’t damage your connection to Christ - only you can do that. Corrupt people in the Church can’t damage your knowledge of scripture as long as you listen to the Church rather than a corrupt individual _ and it’s easy to tell one from the other.

“No kidding.”

Yes, just like on FR.

“No it wasn’t.”

Yes, it was.

“Most of the rituals, beliefs, garments, symbols etc. of the RCC are from pagan origin.”

Nope.


18 posted on 05/09/2013 7:14:26 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998
>>Neither does corruption in the hearts and actions of people in the Catholic Church.<

“People in the Catholic Church”? You call a priest who diddles young boys then serves you what you consider to be the “body of Christ” to be just “people in the Catholic Church”? Seriously?

Denying that the rituals, beliefs, garments, symbols etc. of the RCC are from pagan origin doesn’t change the fact that they are.

19 posted on 05/09/2013 7:30:18 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: Dr. Thorne

“Interferred”? Is that an Australian thing?


20 posted on 05/09/2013 7:35:04 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: CynicalBear

You wrote:

““People in the Catholic Church”? You call a priest who diddles young boys then serves you what you consider to be the “body of Christ” to be just “people in the Catholic Church”? Seriously?”:

Is he not a person? Is he not in the Catholic Church?

“Denying that the rituals, beliefs, garments, symbols etc. of the RCC are from pagan origin doesn’t change the fact that they are.”

Except when they aren’t. It would help if you actually could make an argument.


21 posted on 05/09/2013 7:40:30 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998
>>Is he not a person? Is he not in the Catholic Church?<<

That is so pathetic.

>> It would help if you actually could make an argument.<<

It’s not my responsibility to show you each pagan origin of RCC ritual, symbol, garment, etc. From the “fish hat” worn by the RCC which is identical to the hat worn by the priests of the fish god dagon to the solar wheel dating back to the time of the Chaldeans Catholicism is nearly entirely pagan.

22 posted on 05/09/2013 7:54:22 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear

You wrote:

“That is so pathetic.”

What I said was absolutely correct.

“It’s not my responsibility to show you each pagan origin of RCC ritual, symbol, garment, etc.”

You could at least make an argument.

“From the “fish hat” worn by the RCC which is identical to the hat worn by the priests of the fish god dagon to the solar wheel dating back to the time of the Chaldeans Catholicism is nearly entirely pagan.”

I asked for an actual argument, not recycled, already disproved claims from Hislop. Seriously, the saddest thing about anti-Catholic retreads is their own lack of actual knowledge. Sciolism is not only unbecoming it is emblematic of the moral and intellectual bankruptcy of anti-Catholicism. And, for your information, mitres have changed in style over time: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mitre_evolution.gif No scholar believes that there is any connection to any ancient false god, Dagon, or any other.


23 posted on 05/10/2013 4:38:34 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998
Sciolism ey? Tell me, where does the following statement come from?

The missionary history of the [Catholic] Church clearly shows her adaptability to all races, all continents, all nations. In her liturgy and her art, in her tradition and the forming of her doctrine, naturally enough she includes Jewish elements, but also elements that are of pagan origin. In certain respects, she has copied her organization from that of the Roman Empire, has preserved and made fruitful the philosophical intuitions of Socrates, Plato and Aristotle, borrowed from both Barbarians and the Byzantine Roman Empire—but always remains herself, thoroughly digesting all elements drawn from external sources...In her laws, her ceremonies, her festivals and her devotions, she makes use of local customs after purifying them and "baptizing" them.”

24 posted on 05/10/2013 6:03:26 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear

“Sciolism ey? Tell me, where does the following statement come from?”

A series of anti-Catholic websites. Now, those websites claim the quote is from a work from the 1950s called The Twentieth Century Encyclopedia of Catholicism (specifically it would be Section 8: The Organization of the Church; volume 88, written by Andre Retif). As always with anti-Catholic websites, I see no reason to automatically believe they have quoted anything correctly.

Also, and this must be emphasized, the quote doesn’t prove your claim: “Most of the rituals, beliefs, garments, symbols etc. of the RCC are from pagan origin.” Your claim is still false. Note, the quote you cited, did not say a thing the Church used any of her “beliefs” are “from pagan origin”. The quote says in forming her doctrine elements are borrowed from paganism - that would be philosophy because philosophy is necessary for clear thinking. Anti-Catholics often stink at thinking clearly. That’s being demonstrated now.

And, once again, you have still failed to make an argument. You will continue to do so too. Prove me wrong. Make an actual argument. Try.


25 posted on 05/10/2013 6:26:59 PM PDT by vladimir998
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>> Prove me wrong. Make an actual argument. Try.<<

Well, lets start with this. In your original comment to me you claimed I stay in the U.S. Please tell me when I told you I live in the U.S. Or was that just speculation on your part? And if it was but you based your “argument” on that how is that based on fact? Do I really live in the U.S.?

26 posted on 05/10/2013 6:31:14 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear

Anti-Catholic websites hosting the quote you posted:

http://amazingdiscoveries.org/S-deception_end-time_paganism_Catholic_Mithraism

http://rekindlingthereformation.com/S-deception_end-time_paganism_Catholic_Mithraism.html

http://bwydeman.wordpress.com/2013/03/25/paganism-and-catholicism/

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=124515777721688&id=121166118056654

http://www.biblestudyspace.com/forum/topics/paganism-and-catholicism-you-be-the-judge-1

Now, all of those websites seem to have the EXACT same article posted over-and-over again. Essentially what you see is the uncritical gullibility of anti-Catholics. Stupid people are like that.


27 posted on 05/10/2013 6:32:53 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: CynicalBear

You wrote:

“Well, lets start with this. In your original comment to me you claimed I stay in the U.S. Please tell me when I told you I live in the U.S.”

No. 1) Where you live is not the issue and is not what you need to make an argument for. Defend your claims. 2) Are you saying you do not live in the U.S.?

“Or was that just speculation on your part?”

It’s irrelevant in any case. Are you saying you do not live in the U.S.? If you are saying that would that bolster or weaken your claims? Neither.

“And if it was but you based your “argument” on that how is that based on fact?”

I made no argument. Neither have you. The difference is that I can easily make one and I don’t think you can. Defend your claims. Can you? Also, if you do not live in the U.S. go ahead and say so. Then explain how that helps or hurts your claims. Can you?

“Do I really live in the U.S.?”

How does that matter in regard to your claims? Can you defend your claim or not?


28 posted on 05/10/2013 6:37:26 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

So are you denying that it’s in the Encyclopedia of Catholicism? Are you saying they didn’t get it from there?


29 posted on 05/10/2013 6:43:53 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: vladimir998

The fact is that you based your statement on “assumption” not fact. And you continue to try to avoid facts. Not much sense in continuing to debate you. Now if you could find the biblical basis for the assumption of Mary or even the teaching from scripture of God’s sanctioning of the concept of the “queen of heaven” we may have something to start with. But alas, you started off with assumption not fact.


30 posted on 05/10/2013 6:47:53 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear

You wrote:

“So are you denying that it’s in the Encyclopedia of Catholicism?”

Get the supposed book right. It is claimed it is in The Twentieth Century Encyclopedia of Catholicism (vol. 88). It is not claimed to be in the Encyclopedia of Catholicism. That would be two different books.

“Are you saying they didn’t get it from there?”

I have no idea where HE (not they) got it from. I only know what they HE claims. Remember, one guy found this quote (supposedly) and others simply re-post HIS claim. I have no idea where the quote is from. It might be from the source claimed. It might not. I don’t know. it doesn’t really matter in any case since the supposed author doesn’t actually speak for the Church nor does the quote actually show what you claimed.


31 posted on 05/10/2013 6:48:41 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998
>> I don’t know.<<

Therein lays your problem. And you accuse me of Sciolism. Go figure. I think we are done here. It’s obvious you “don’t know”.

32 posted on 05/10/2013 6:51:57 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear

you wrote:

“The fact is that you based your statement on “assumption” not fact.”

So you’re claiming you don’t live in the U.S.?

“And you continue to try to avoid facts.”

Exactly what fact? Please state the exact (supposed) fact that I am (supposedly) avoiding.

“Not much sense in continuing to debate you.”

Oh, that sort of “taking my ball home” whine was expected.

“Now if you could find the biblical basis for the assumption of Mary or even the teaching from scripture of God’s sanctioning of the concept of the “queen of heaven” we may have something to start with.”

The Assumption of Mary was seen by many Christians to be reflected by Revelation 12, but I think your very challenge is based upon an unscriptural assumption (no pun intended). Where in scripture does it say “You must have a scripture verse before something is true”? I think you also have a larger problem: take this as an example: How do you know the following:

1) That the Gospel of Matthew was written by Matthew.
2) That the Gospel of Matthew is inspired.
3) That the Gospel of Matthew belongs in the Bible.

Can you provide verse from scripture that proves any of those three things? The answer of course is no, but I’ll enjoy watching you flounder nonetheless.

Also, about Mary being the queen of heaven. Is Mary’s Son a king? Does He reign in heaven? If you answer those questions honestly, then you know that Mary is the queen of heaven.

“But alas, you started off with assumption not fact.”

Again, are you claiming you do not live in the U.S.? It’s a simple question. One way or another you’re proving me right on one thing or another.


33 posted on 05/10/2013 6:57:53 PM PDT by vladimir998
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