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To: trubolotta

I completely agree with you, and made no comment on the issue of the wages these workers were paid - I’m sure they were happy to have jobs in the first place. I merely observed that getting your entire workforce killed because (a) your building has (as in this case) had 3 floors added to it illegally and against the architect’s advice, and (b) you’ve ignored warnings from your engineers in the weeks prior to this disaster that the building was unsafe, because you don’t want to lose production for a few days while these issues are fixed, is both morally unaceptable and bad business.

And yes, I agree, the same standards as apply in the U.S. can’t be applied elsewhere overnight, even if they should be eventually (sometimes debatable in itself). My point, which I think is fundamentally similar to yours, is that to tarnish or criticise ‘capitalism’ because of issues such as this one, where cronyism, corruption and blatant immorality are in fact the discerning factors at play, is nonsense. Capitalism and morality are not mutually exclusive, nor should they be governed by the same authorities or sets of rules. They can and do, however, often exist interdependently.


20 posted on 05/11/2013 5:27:39 AM PDT by Zajko (Never wrestle with a pig. You'll both get dirty, but the pig likes it.)
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To: Zajko

Yes, I think we are in general agreement, so I then ask what is the Pope’s point? Where is his nuts and bolts solution that can applied, especially in parts of the world where the level of safety he believes should be achieved is unaffordable? In this particular case, you accurately lay fault where it belongs on the owner, but for the Pope to extend this to some characteristic of capitalism, is also wrong, as you point out.

Socialism gave us Chernobyl. Socialism built those paint factories my friend is trying to fix in China, each one a potential death trap. Socialists can be moral too but often put power into the hands of people with no practical experience. These decision makers are just plain stupid but they are loyal, and that counts more than competence in a socialist system.

If the Pope wants to talk about moral business practices, he certainly can and should do so but to attribute them to capitalism smirks of an endorsement of socialism, which has killed far more people exclusive of industrial accidents.


23 posted on 05/11/2013 6:00:53 AM PDT by trubolotta
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