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Jay Bakker’s "Church" Rainbow Bread “Communion” {televangelist's pastor son}
http://juicyecumenism.com/2013/05/15/jay-bakkers-rainbow-bread-communion/ ^ | 17 May 2013 | Kristin Rudolph

Posted on 05/17/2013 3:51:56 AM PDT by Cronos

This week Minnesota became the twelfth state in the United States to redefine marriage. Jay Bakker, son of the televangelists Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker, marked the occasion by offering “rainbow bread” for “communion” at the inaugural service of Revolution Church Minnesota on Sunday, May 12th. Bakker explained all were welcome to participate in the meal regardless of religious belief or lack thereof, and that “today we do this in remembrance of what Christ did and what folks who followed in Christ’s footsteps did, but also in the celebration of what’s happened here in the House and with what our hopes are to happen tomorrow in the Senate.”

Bakker co-founded Revolution Church in 1994 in Phoenix, Arizona, and has moved the church to various cities since then. Most recently he pastored Revolution NYC until he relocated to Minneapolis in March 2013. Explaining the “rainbow bread” to those gathered at Bryant Lake Bowl, he said “Hell yeah I’m gettin’ political. This is to celebrate our LGBTQ [Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer] brothers and sisters … [and remember] those who maybe didn’t make it this far.”

The Church, Bakker claimed, is “the final frontier of equality in this issue … we still haven’t seen the full importance of these civil rights in the faith that I love and care about so much.” Bakker, who has been critical of the politicization of Christianity urged attendees, “If you have a chance tomorrow go out to the capitol and call your [senators] … let them know that you believe in equality. If you don’t believe in equality stay at home. Sleep in, go to work, just don’t talk to anybody.”

Bakker, popular Minnesota based emergent writer Tony Jones, and others held a vigil at the state’s capitol Monday, May 13th for the senate’s vote to legalize same-sex marriage in their state.

Complementing the rainbow bread, Bakker spoke on grace and inclusion, focusing on St. Paul, who “gets grace the most,” as he was a ruthless persecutor of Christians before his conversion. “The Bible is full of unperfect [sic] people” and it was “murderers and traitors … literally starting a faith, being part of a faith and that’s what I would call the good news,” Bakker said. He added that Martin Luther King, Jr. and Ghandi also “Really got the idea of what inclusion was meant to be, what loving your enemy was meant to be, what loving your neighbor.”

“The idea of Christ was to come into that midst and find the one who’s doing the hurting and turn him into an ally turn him into someone who’s loved and what you see here is … a love of inclusion,” Bakker claimed. But most Christians don’t get this, he said, asserting: “We’re always looking for the one person grace doesn’t cover. You know I think that’s what Christianity has become … we’re looking for the loopholes in grace.” Not even St. Paul meets Bakker’s inclusivity standards, as he declared “Paul said some stuff that’s pretty crazy … there would be times if I knew Paul the apostle … [I would say] ‘Listen, I’m going to have to call bullshit on this … remember your message.’”

“Inclusion in the Church” is so important to Bakker that he has “a hard time dealing with ideas of hell … when I see a God that reaches out to people in the midst of murder and in the midst of betrayal and says ‘I want you. I want to use you. You are loved and you are cared for.’”

“It’s so strange that we’ve seen our faith become perverted by people who want to say this isn’t for you and … you’re not good enough for it,” he said. Instead, Bakker suggested Christians should “[B]e patient with one another and … learn to live within our brokenness and allow other people to be broken even if it’s not broken in the way we necessarily like it. Cause there’s a lot of really cool ways to be broken and then there’s a lot of uncool ways to be broken, but we’re called to love.”

“What MLK did got him killed. What Ghandi did got him killed. What Jesus did got him killed. And I think they all died for similar reasons.” Jesus probably did not die to save us, according to Bakker, but rather, “What if Jesus was killed for the same reason Ghandi and King were killed? Because they were trouble makers who showed too much love and too much inclusion?”

There are “great moral wonderful people … outside the Church who do much more good work than the Church itself,” Bakker claimed. “Morality” has nothing to do with good works, according to the pastor, “but it’s the idea of recognizing what our brokenness is and allowing that brokenness to be transformed in order to help other people transform and accept their own brokenness.”


TOPICS: Catholic; Charismatic Christian; Current Events
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda; religiousleft; sourcetitlenoturl
Jesus probably did not die to save us, according to Bakker, but rather, “What if Jesus was killed for the same reason Ghandi and King were killed? Because they were trouble makers who showed too much love and too much inclusion?”...
1 posted on 05/17/2013 3:51:56 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: Cronos

“...ye pull off the robe with the garment from them that pass by securely as men averse from war.” (Micah 2:8)


2 posted on 05/17/2013 3:59:39 AM PDT by mitch5501 ("make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things ye shall never fall")
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To: Cronos
2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
3 posted on 05/17/2013 4:01:39 AM PDT by The Truth Will Make You Free
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To: Cronos

The blind leading the blind.


4 posted on 05/17/2013 4:04:23 AM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: Cronos
1 Corinthians 11: 27 Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord. 28 But a man must examine himself, and in so doing he is to eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For he who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself if he does not judge the body rightly. 30 For this reason many among you are weak and sick, and a number [s]sleep. 31 But if we judged ourselves rightly, we would not be judged. 32 But when we are judged, we are disciplined by the Lord so that we will not be condemned along with the world. 33 So then, my brethren, when you come together to eat, wait for one another. 34 If anyone is hungry, let him eat at home, so that you will not come together for judgment. The remaining matters I will arrange when I come.
5 posted on 05/17/2013 4:11:51 AM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: Cronos

3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

~~ 2 Timothy 4:3-4 (KJV) ~~


6 posted on 05/17/2013 4:12:51 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Cronos

Pic - symbolizes Minnesota swirling down a toilet.


7 posted on 05/17/2013 4:27:48 AM PDT by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is now the operational arm of the CPUSA)
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To: Nervous Tick

The American people with exceptions can’t and won’t endure sound doctrine, for they wouldn’t know it if they heard it.


8 posted on 05/17/2013 4:30:06 AM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: Cronos

>>>“The idea of Christ was to come into that midst and find the one who’s doing the hurting and turn him into an ally turn him into someone who’s loved and what you see here is … a love of inclusion,” >>>

Guess he didn’t read the part of the Bible about Sodom and Gomorrah.


9 posted on 05/17/2013 4:33:39 AM PDT by kitkat (STORM THE HEAVENS WITH PRAYERS FOR OUR COUNTRY)
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To: Cronos

Poof pastry.


10 posted on 05/17/2013 4:41:35 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: reg45

on their knees for communion has a different meaning there


11 posted on 05/17/2013 4:44:09 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Cronos

Boy, did this dudes’ parents screw him up with their lifestyle of shenanigans!


12 posted on 05/17/2013 4:44:51 AM PDT by joethedrummer
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To: Cronos

I wonder why someone added Charismatic Christian as a topic. This buffoon wouldn’t know a Christian if he was lecturing one. Is there a topic for New Age/Fruit Loop/Cult? That would be more appropriate.


13 posted on 05/17/2013 4:52:50 AM PDT by Pan_Yan (I believe in God. All else is dubious.)
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To: joethedrummer

Dad is slime; Mom is a gay icon; Junior has probably never attended an actual Christian worship service in his life.


14 posted on 05/17/2013 4:55:17 AM PDT by Pan_Yan (I believe in God. All else is dubious.)
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To: Pan_Yan

“Dad is slime; Mom is a gay icon...”

My Mom and Dad taught me “...you’ve got to stand for something or you’ll fall for anything.” ~ The Essential Aaron Tippin, 06/1998

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_s-Qk07KxA


15 posted on 05/17/2013 5:14:47 AM PDT by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.))
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To: Cronos

He believes the Bible has not been translated correctly over the years, that people have translated it to favor their own agenda - especially to promote a homophobic view. So he thinks that gives him the right to dismiss the verses that do not support his view of the world. In his world sin is not sin and Jesus did not die a substitutionary death. It’s all about love,love,love. He is all about inclusion, which is correct, God does not exclude anyone from salvation, but he drops the ball when it comes to calling sin sin. I wonder where he draws the line. Will pedophiles or those who want to be in plural marriages or couples who want to just live together instead of or before marriage be accepted with the same vigor as gays? If a man is in love with his goat, will they be welcomed to stay and worship in his church? We are to love the sinner and hate the sin. You can love someone and yet not accept their lifestyle. But if you don’t believe the Bible to be Gods written word to us then you can pretty much do and say whatever you want, there are no absolutes.


16 posted on 05/17/2013 6:19:14 AM PDT by uptowngirl
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To: uptowngirl

We need to stop using the term “homophobic” — I’m not afraid of gays or have a phobia about them — being anti-perversion is not a mental illness as the homosexuals want to convey


17 posted on 05/17/2013 6:21:56 AM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: All
“What MLK did got him killed. What Ghandi did got him killed. What Jesus did got him killed. And I think they all died for similar reasons.” Jesus probably did not die to save us, according to Bakker, but rather, “What if Jesus was killed for the same reason Ghandi and King were killed? Because they were trouble makers who showed too much love and too much inclusion?”

Heresy, or irony?

"...again we see Christians fighting each other and gloating when the ELCA or UMC stumbles instead of stepping in and fighting shoulder to shoulder. There are two enemies: secularism and Islam. They will fight each other, but right now both focus on us.... and we are fighting amongst ourselves..."
-- from the thread How Christianity lost to Islam twice, nearly thrice and now they're trying again {vanity}

18 posted on 05/17/2013 7:04:21 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Cronos

I’m beginning to look forward to this sick nation’s judgement.

Come to think of it, maybe this is part of that judgement.


19 posted on 05/17/2013 7:16:05 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: CatherineofAragon

While I understand your sentiment, be aware: He will judge the Church as well. Don’t think that the Lord will spare us (as in Christians).


20 posted on 05/17/2013 7:27:09 AM PDT by hoagy62 ("Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered..."-Thomas Paine. 1776)
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To: hoagy62

Yes, you’re right. I’m just so, so sick and tired of this stuff.


21 posted on 05/17/2013 7:36:18 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: Cronos

This guy’s making up his own religion and his own god to suit his desired belief system.

God calls that idolatry.


22 posted on 05/17/2013 7:37:48 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: CatherineofAragon

Read Romans 1:18-32, especially the first few words.

The wrath of God is revealed from heaven as...

all the stuff we see happening.

This IS the judgment.


23 posted on 05/17/2013 7:39:11 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Cronos

The apple didn’t fall far from the tree.


24 posted on 05/17/2013 7:40:25 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Cronos

he sounds like he took a slice of that bread, stuffed it with weed, and smoked it.


25 posted on 05/17/2013 7:42:32 AM PDT by ZinGirl (kids in college....can't afford a tagline right now)
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To: MrB

Just read it, and yes, it seems what we are seeing now IS God’s wrath.

“People who suppress the truth by their wickedness”.....bingo.


26 posted on 05/17/2013 7:54:20 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: uptowngirl
We are to love the sinner and hate the sin

I have heard that often, but struggle with the truth of it.

Is that in the Bible?

If you set off bombs at public events, or molest children; I hate your friggen guts. Am I wrong?

27 posted on 05/17/2013 8:44:59 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: Cronos

Idiot, Fallible and Uninspired; 1 each.

FAIL


28 posted on 05/17/2013 10:22:43 PM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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