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Healing Belongs To You
05-17-13 | Frank Broom

Posted on 05/17/2013 3:34:35 PM PDT by Frank Broom

There has been some misunderstandings about God and healing that needs to be cleared up. Some people think that God puts sickness on people to teach them something, that is not true. The scripture says that Jesus came to undo the works of the devil (1John 3:8). What is one work of the devil, let's look at Acts 10:38, How God anointed Jesus of Nazereth with the Holy Ghost and power: who went about doing good, and healing all that was oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. So, sickness is not of God it is from the devil, and God sees healing a good. God anointed Jesus for the purpose of healing. Some people think healing is not important to God, but according to the scripture healing is very important to God. And since he doesn't change it is still important to him (Malachi 3:6).

Now, let's look at another point, God has already provided healing for you. He said in Matthew 15, that healing is the children's bread. What is bread, another word for bread is provision. It is something already provided. But, here's the thing you can not let your body dictate to you what God has done. Because your flesh can't know the things of God because they are spiritually discerned (1Corinthians 2:14). That's why this is a faith walk, because you have to believe independent of your senses. Let's see an example in Luke 17, ten lepers came to Jesus and asked him to have mercy on them and Jesus replied, "Go show yourselves unto the priest." Now in that time you only showed yourself to priests after you've been cleansed. And the scripture says that as they went they were cleansed. Now, when did Jesus provide the healing, when he said, "Go show yourselves unto the priests", because that was all he did. But, notice even though he provided something they didnt' look any different and they didn't feel any different. They did not let there bodies determine whether something was done or not and Jesus called that faith.

Let's clear up something else God does not heal some and not other. God makes the provision to everyone and it's up to you to receive it. Let's look all the way back to the old testament up to the new to see this. Notice in Psalm 105:37 it is referring to the day after the Passover, He brought them forth also with silver and gold: and there was not one feeble one among their tribes. God healed everyone, not some and not others. Let's see another example in Numbers 21:8, it refers to when serpents were bitting the children of Isreal and they were dying from the bites. God told Moses, "Make thee a fiery serpent, and put it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live". And it came to pass that if a serpent had bitten any man when he beheld the serpent of brass he lived. Notice God made the provision for everyone. Now let's come up to the new testament and again Acts 10:38, how Jesus healed all who were oppressed of the devil. Jesus never turned anyone away that came to him for healing. Not one time did he say no it's not God's will, that let's me know that it was always God's will for people to be healed and it's still his will. I wanted to get those things cleared up because there may have been some wrong thinking in those areas and John in 3John 2 makes this statement, "Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth." So, your thinking can effect you receiving your healing. So, I just wanted to clear up some thinking that may not have been in line with the scriptures so that someone would be in a better position to receive their healing.


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1 posted on 05/17/2013 3:34:35 PM PDT by Frank Broom
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To: Frank Broom

You believe that cancer comes from satan?


2 posted on 05/17/2013 3:45:49 PM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: Frank Broom

Evidently you forgot to inform God about your “health & wealth gospel”. I Cor. 11:30 lets it be known that those who mockingly party while remembering Jesus’ sacrifice may be weakened, made sick, or killed. I assume that Paul is referring to God bringing this about insofar as he calls it “judgment”.


3 posted on 05/17/2013 3:50:41 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Frank Broom

What about Paul’s thorn in the flesh? He prayed three times to be delivered, but it wasn’t God’s will to do so. Or did Paul just not know the secret words?


4 posted on 05/17/2013 4:02:44 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: CatherineofAragon

i have been having some very difficult discussions with God such as:

You created this world and You also created satan knowing he was going to turn against You and wreak havoc in Heaven?

You created Man and put him here in satan’s jurisdiction knowing satan would torture and torment your creation whom you claim to love?

Why? How does this help your plan? Why do good people pray for years and why are you hiding from them? Why do the the evil prosper?


5 posted on 05/17/2013 4:24:25 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Frank Broom

Job?


6 posted on 05/17/2013 4:47:39 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: yldstrk
Work through that...you are on a good trail.

IMHO, God's desire is to build character in humans. He can't do that without an obstacle course.

Evil exists because evil exists. God didn't set out to create a fairy tail. He created reality...and in that reality, evil exists and strength to overcome that evil exists.

God is the ultimate purveyor of tough love (that is the only kind of love that endures).

7 posted on 05/17/2013 4:50:48 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama's Chechens are coming home...to roost.)
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To: Frank Broom
Nice post.

I think you are raising some interesting issues.

God's love is healing. Humans are trapped in disbelief but He is calling us to Himself and His Spirit...which is miraculous and powerfully healing.

In fact, God is so healing, we come to a point of interaction with Him that we don't even care if our human bodies are healed...because our eternal bodies (our spirits) are healed.

God isn't raising up sissies. He is like the Marine Corp or the Navy SEALs...he is making us Godly men and women...and that means being tough but loving.

He is raising us up in faith...not coddling us into permanent puppy/kittenhood.

8 posted on 05/17/2013 4:56:58 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama's Chechens are coming home...to roost.)
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To: stuartcr

Where do you think cancer comes from?


9 posted on 05/17/2013 5:00:23 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama's Chechens are coming home...to roost.)
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To: yldstrk

i can help, i ponder the same.

1. God knew that to have true fellowship with creation like Himself - as persons, it had to have free will to genuinely choose to be with or reject, God. otherwise it’s not real.

2. giving someone the capacity to disobey, doesn’t mean you are responsible for their disobedience.

3. satan didn’t have jurisdiction until man fell.

4. satan is limited in what he can do. our current lives are a lot better than what we have earned. not only do we live under grace - God’s Riches At Christ’s Expense, we don’t suffer nearly as much as we deserve to.

5. as far as your plan questions are, ask why God would separate part of Himself and put all the punishment for sin every person ever did onto His son, for all sinful people, when not all people would decide to accept His sacrifice? the sins of billions of people and the associated punishment for trillions of sins. look at it from God’s perspective. consider the suffering put onto Christ in a few hours, trillions of sins.

the fact is for genuine fellowship and love, God had to create creation with free will, and this means the real ability to disobey and say no.


10 posted on 05/17/2013 5:01:21 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Nice!


11 posted on 05/17/2013 5:05:49 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama's Chechens are coming home...to roost.)
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To: yldstrk

But your comments describe the arguments of atheism.

As an atheist, how can you be having discussions with God?


12 posted on 05/17/2013 5:12:00 PM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: yldstrk

Others have given you very good responses, but here’s my two cents.

We can’t blame God for mankind’s rebellion and fall; it was never His intention for us to suffer. But He made us, knowing we’d rebel, just as we have children, guessing they will one day do the same to one extent or another. He wanted someone in His own image to love and receive love from. Our relation to Him is unique and special; something even the angels don’t share.

I promise you He isn’t hiding from us. To the contrary-—He stepped right into the middle of us, in the person of Jesus Christ, and performed the ultimate act of love and sacrifice for us. Even when you can’t feel Him there, He never leaves you. And I can tell you there are so many tough life circumstances where leaning on Him is the deciding factor in making it through.

Ultimately, we can’t answer every question to our satisfaction....sometimes we just have to trust Him and have faith. His ways, after all, are so far above ours, and we can’t see His plan....not now, anyway. But keep talking to Him and asking Him to show you the truth. He will.

God bless.


13 posted on 05/17/2013 5:21:10 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: reasonisfaith; yldstrk
As an atheist, how can you be having discussions with God?

Well, maybe he isn't...we all came toward God from somewhere...we all had questions.

This is yldstrk's somewhere...these are his questions.

14 posted on 05/17/2013 5:28:21 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama's Chechens are coming home...to roost.)
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To: Frank Broom

bfl


15 posted on 05/17/2013 5:38:31 PM PDT by Errant
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To: yldstrk

In addition to answers already rpovided:

What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known gthe riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he hhas prepared beforehand for glory — even us whom he ihas called, jnot from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles? Rom 9:22-24 (ESV)

Some reasons for the existence of sin:
1. So God can demonstrate His perfect mercy and forgiveness
2. So God can demonstrate His power and justice
3. So those who receive forgiveness will appreciate it (by knowing what they escaped from)


16 posted on 05/17/2013 5:42:37 PM PDT by Gil4 (Progressives - Trying to repeal the Law of Supply and Demand since 1848)
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To: RoosterRedux; yldstrk

Difficult questions, and not to be ignored. I wish you well, yldstrk.

To speak of “God hiding from man” might come from the mind or it might come from the heart.

Maybe yldstrk’s questions come from knowing that in the end, none of us can hide from God.


17 posted on 05/17/2013 5:47:23 PM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: yldstrk

I still have a problem with the idea that Satan had Free Will.

I thought that gift was granted to man alone, who God made in his image.


18 posted on 05/17/2013 5:55:18 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Free goodies for all -- Freedom for none.)
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To: reasonisfaith; yldstrk
Well put...God is certainly calling yldstrk.

Our prayers are with you. And our experience tells us that He will answer your prayers. Listen for Him...take some long isolated walks...He is always there!

19 posted on 05/17/2013 5:55:33 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama's Chechens are coming home...to roost.)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
Everyone has free will. Or else love has no value (and God is Love).

Love cannot be demanded...it must be given freely. And accordingly, the option of NOT loving must also exist.

And that is the point at which hatred, and anger, and evil is born...and indeed needed.

I can expand on this topic needlessly. Let me know if I need to.

20 posted on 05/17/2013 6:00:19 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama's Chechens are coming home...to roost.)
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To: All
This is the most important item on our agenda as humans. Our entire reality hangs in the balance of what we believe.

For you lurkers and curious...aren't you somewhat nervous about your future? Are you so sure of your eternity that you are willing to risk it all?

Wouldn't you like to ask others what they trust about this strange concept of God.

Come-on guys...ask.

Eternity hangs in the balance. We will not eat your brains for asking a simple question.

Ask...you can trust us. We will not eat your brains or try to brainwash you...promise.

In the end, you must decide for yourself. No one else can do that for you (hence, no brainwashing will work).

21 posted on 05/17/2013 6:14:09 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama's Chechens are coming home...to roost.)
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To: Frank Broom

Ah, you’re flat wrong.

God does heal some and not others, for whatever reasons he has.


22 posted on 05/17/2013 6:19:45 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Frank Broom

Healing is NOT for the benefit of men, it’s for the glory of God, and the spread of the Gospel.

So is the persecution of the saints. Recall: The apostles almost all died for their faith. The ones that didn’t died of health/old age.

Our REAL healing is our spirit, and it starts the moment we believe.

This flesh is corrupt, and will not be purified until we receive our new bodies.

The pre-occupation the health/wealth teachers shows you what their real god is — the flesh.

God did not intend for us to be sick a single day, in fact he made us immortal. But because of SIN, death entered the world, and the whole world is groaning under the curse of it. Christians are forgiven, but we still must live in this world, and suffer, and take up our cross.

Now does that mean God will not (or cannot heal us)? ABSOLUTELY NOT!

What it means is that we should GET OVER our flesh. God is concerned with our eternal salvation and will provide us with a new, perfected body....now THATS HEALING!


23 posted on 05/17/2013 7:32:29 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

As to Angels having/not having free will.

Man was created LOWER than the angels.

Hebrews 2:7

When you become VERY familiar with the scripture, any bad theology becomes evident immediately. There is no substitute for knowing the word.


24 posted on 05/17/2013 7:41:09 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: yldstrk

Evil exists because Free Will exists.

If there is NO ability for created beings (angels/man) to do anything other than be a programmed robot, then evil would not exist because there is no evil in God.

However, How can a programmed robot love? It can’t because Love goes beyond reason, and what is logical.

What purpose was Man created for? To worship and enjoy the God!
Is this something he (man) won’t like? No!
If you have ever really loved anybody then you understand that there is no effort required to love someone (assuming of course who you are loving is a perfect person, which of course, God is!)


25 posted on 05/17/2013 7:44:58 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: Frank Broom
Scripture speaks of evil as " the mystery of iniquity" ... but no where does it explain the how or why of its existence. The closest God comes to explaining it is in Job 41 where, when Job questions Him,he answers with "Where were you when I laid the foundations of the Earth ...."

Scripture does declare, however, that God, in Christ, has dealt with evil totally and completely. That's good enough for me.

26 posted on 05/17/2013 7:47:07 PM PDT by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Where all disease comes from. It’s a combination of genetics and biology, beside, satan came from God and He new what was going to happen when He crated satan. Everything comes from God if you take it down to its origin.


27 posted on 05/17/2013 7:47:21 PM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: stuartcr; Frank Broom

>> “You believe that cancer comes from satan?” <<

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Cancer comes from the evil in men’s hearts. It is the result of hatred, bitterness, envy, and unforgiveness.

Many oncologists are well aware of this fact, but would lose their medical license if they counseled patients in this area.


28 posted on 05/17/2013 8:00:20 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: CatherineofAragon

Paul’s thorn in the flesh was not sickness. The thorn was “the messenger of satan sent to buffet him”. He also said the thorn was sent because of the “abundance of revelation” given the Apostle.

A careful study of Scripture teaches clearly that the work of Christ on Calvary was complete indeed; and that He bore not only our sins, but our sickness also in His Body. All who sought healing from Jesus received. He never told anyone it was not His will. Never.


29 posted on 05/17/2013 8:01:05 PM PDT by katieanna
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To: Dutchboy88

>> Evidently you forgot to inform God about your “health & wealth gospel”. I Cor. 11:30 lets it be known that those who mockingly party while remembering Jesus’ sacrifice may be weakened, made sick, or killed. <<

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That is absolute nonsense!

Paul counseled that failure to recognize the healing gift in the breaking of Yeshua’s skin was a cause of disease and early death.

You have a very twisted imagination.


30 posted on 05/17/2013 8:04:18 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.


31 posted on 05/17/2013 8:26:12 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Frank Broom

Christian Science redux.

And it’s one way for healthy folks to despise the sick: It’s your fault you are sick, because you don’t have enough faith. NyahNyah Nyah...(sarcasm off).


32 posted on 05/17/2013 8:32:11 PM PDT by LadyDoc
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To: stuartcr

He crated satan.


If satan was crated then we don’t have to worry about him anymore, right?


33 posted on 05/17/2013 8:38:31 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: yldstrk
I've been down that road before. CS Lewis's two books, The Problem of Pain, and A Grief Observed, helped me work through them.
34 posted on 05/17/2013 8:39:30 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Joe 6-pack
Yes, The Problem of Pain is excellent.
35 posted on 05/17/2013 8:51:39 PM PDT by pax_et_bonum (God Bless America)
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To: editor-surveyor

Right, and we should bleed people and use dung poultices.


36 posted on 05/18/2013 7:26:51 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

I never have


37 posted on 05/18/2013 7:27:31 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: stuartcr

Then why did you seal him in a crate?


38 posted on 05/18/2013 7:48:32 AM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

Well, if he exists, he’s got to be somewhere... I’m looking out for you


39 posted on 05/18/2013 7:53:17 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: Frank Broom

In what way does God chastize his children???


40 posted on 05/18/2013 11:44:35 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: editor-surveyor
"That is absolute nonsense!

Paul counseled that failure to recognize the healing gift in the breaking of Yeshua’s skin was a cause of disease and early death.

You have a very twisted imagination."

You are kidding, right? I recognize the Scriptures teach that man is under the curse until Jesus returns and sets the universe free and I have a twisted imagination? You, my FRiend, are the one imagining Jesus will cure all of your illnesses. Tell that to the child dying of cancer. Tell that to the wife who lost her husband to a heart attack. You, my FRiend, do not know the Scriptures.

You, and your Benny Hinn cult, ought to read the Book without your money-hungry eyes and listen to its remarks carefully. If you were right, there would be no death or growing old. I challenge you and your ilk to beat those. Perhaps you believe you and your compatriots are the only really righteous men on the planet. Is that it?

41 posted on 05/18/2013 12:57:55 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88

All disease has a spiritual cause, and a spiritual cure.

Healing is promised, as a part of the kingdom, and the gates of hell will prevail not against those who participate in the kingdom.

Those such as yourself that reject the kingdom will need more earthly avenues, and a high tolerance for grief.

“By his stripes we are healed.”


42 posted on 05/18/2013 2:36:18 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

I’m not a doctor


44 posted on 05/18/2013 3:05:30 PM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: stuartcr

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45 posted on 05/18/2013 3:08:00 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

You are very strange, good nite


46 posted on 05/18/2013 3:32:21 PM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: stuartcr

Coming from you, that is grand praise!

Thanks.


47 posted on 05/18/2013 3:33:52 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

You’re welcome, enjoy the 13th century.


48 posted on 05/18/2013 4:17:26 PM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: katieanna

The nature of Paul’s thorn is inconclusive among Biblical scholars...some believe it wsa a physical ailment, others do not. A messenger of Satan could have brought an illness to bear.

The New Testament is full of Scriptures which describe Jesus taking on our sins. Yes, those who asked Jesus for healing during His earthly ministry were healed. But how does that translate into the notion that Christians are never supposed to be sick? If that’s true, why do believers die?

Sorry, I’m not into trying to control God. He can and does heal people, but it is entirely His will to do so, or not. He is not bound to do it.


49 posted on 05/18/2013 5:32:39 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: stuartcr

The 13th century, and all other failures since are all yours.

I’m going with Yehova’s kingdom.

Jeremiah 17:

[5] Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from Yehova.

[6] For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh; but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, in a salt land and not inhabited.

[7] Blessed is the man that trusteth in Yehova, and whose hope Yehova is.

[8] For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit.


50 posted on 05/19/2013 3:18:17 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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