http://www.vet.purdue.edu/cpr/amphi.html
Do you think it is possible that newts have found religion? This one did:
E-S, do you think that you are Newt Gingrich?
Posted on 05/17/2013 3:34:35 PM PDT by Frank Broom
http://www.vet.purdue.edu/cpr/amphi.html
Do you think it is possible that newts have found religion? This one did:
E-S, do you think that you are Newt Gingrich?
MB, do you think that the kingdom of Yehova is a joke?
>> “ It was your unusual, read that bizarre, claim that Jesus has promised healthy physical lives for everyone who is obedient.” <<
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Perhaps your definition of obedient differs from Yeshua’s?
His calls for confession, repentance, and avoidance of the sins that bring disease. Sins against yourself, and others (self rejection; hatred, bitterness, jealousy, unforgiveness, unremmited anger against others) bring the great killer diseases.
Were you a part of a spirit filled congregation, you would have seen the things that you scoff (except probably for heads growing back, that shows your flippant dismissal of the kingdom).
To obey (from the Latin ob-audire, to "hear or listen to") in faith is to submit freely to the word that has been heard, because its truth is guaranteed by God, who is Truth itself.
Peace be with you
Yes, freely, and completely.
No flippancy here; I am dead serious, my FRiend. And, I am a part of a wonderful gathering of believers. The Spirit we recognize, however, does not do magic tricks like Elymas, but bonds folks together in love, study of the Scriptures, fellowship and breaking bread.
Now, please tell us where Jesus promises that, "...confession, repentance, and avoidance of sins..." will cure diseases to Gentile believers after the cross. And, further, where He says, "...sins against yourself, and others (self rejection (?), hatred, bitterness, jealousy, unforgiveness, unremitted anger against others)..." will bring on "KILLER DISEASES".
But, read your post carefully, your remarks are really coming around the barn. At first you said that Jesus promised physical health for obedience. Now, this has subtly migrated to, "Jesus promises to NOT send you diseases IF you CONFESS, REPENT, AND AVOID SIN. I am not being picky here; your story is morphing. I am curious as to what exactly you claim is taught in the Bible and whence cometh those doctrines.
Yeshua stated plainly to the pharisees that forgiveness of sins was equivalent to healing.
Problem is that most can’t even admit to themselves that they’ve sinned, let alone confess and repent. They think the recital of the “sinner’s prayer” way back when is all that they need to experience the kingdom; no growth, no sanctification, no fruit, just a golden insurance policy.
I take the Kingdom of God very seriously. It is the content of your posts that I take as a joke. What you are posting uses Christian terminology at times, but the context of the words as used rarely resembles Christianity at all.
I believe that Dutchboy has a series of very good points about your stated view (and remember that we have had a very contentious posting relationship - he is quite Reformed in his beliefs and I am strongly Catholic in mine).
I find Benny Hinn and all other mockers of Christianity to be repulsive. I cannot take any of his followers seriously.
You’ve given a solid example of why Yeshua’s real followers see catholics in general as tares (yes, there are a few catholics that are for real).
I didn't know that Yeshua wears a bad comb-over. Although he did get in some sack time with Paula White.
We may be getting somewhere. I am curious as to the exact location of the texts supporting this claim. Please do not paint in broad strokes, but provide book, chapter and verse in which Jesus stated this "plainly".
Incidentally, Yeshua is a transliteration of a Hebrew/Aramaic name. Do you use this appelation because it sounds/looks more biblical or seems more reverential? The NT text refers to Him as Ι η σ ο υ σ, but there is no need to trot out Greek to honor Him. Represent Him truthfully and the reverence will be obvious.
"Problem is that most can’t even admit to themselves that they’ve sinned, let alone confess and repent. They think the recital of the “sinner’s prayer” way back when is all that they need to experience the kingdom; no growth, no sanctification, no fruit, just a golden insurance policy."
I certainly do not subscribe to the "sinner's prayer" club. That is simply another of the free-will gang's errant doctrines. I do, however, freely (driven, I should say) admit to you and anyone interested that I am a vile, undeserving, fallen, broken, filthy sinner. There is no worth on board. But, Paul is clear that believers hope to be found in Him, not having a righteousness of their own, but from Jesus, granted through faith...and even this is a gift, not as a result of works, lest we brag about our performance.
But, disgust about a sanctimonious, smug, errant anti-nomian should not color your representation of the promises of Christ. We need evidence that Jesus promised healthy physical lives (your original claim) if a person believed. And, please supplement this with support from the epistles as continuing for Gentile believers. After all...Eph. 2:11ff. The cross changed everything.
Yeshua is not any transliteration; its the typical short pronounciation of Yehoshua, which in Hebrew means Yehova’s salvation.
When Yeshua healed the crippled man at the spring, he told him to take up his bed and walk. When the pharisees challenged him on it he asked them “Which is easier; to say take up your bed, or say thy sins be forgiven?”
The two are equivalent. If the sin that limits you is forgiven, then you are healed. The problem arises when there is neither confession, nor repentance, nor ‘walkout’ from that sin. Under those cases, Yehova, being a just God, cannot heal you. When you finally submit to his commandments, and confess and repent of that sin healing naturally takes place, because Yehova can forgive that sin.
The lie of the “sinner’s prayer,” which is nowhere to be found in scripture, has many locked up in their self created diseases. We must confess all of our sins.
Intellectual belief does not save, or Satan and his angels would be saved.
The two are equivalent. If the sin that limits you is forgiven, then you are healed. The problem arises when there is neither confession, nor repentance, nor ‘walkout’ from that sin. Under those cases, Yehova, being a just God, cannot heal you. When you finally submit to his commandments, and confess and repent of that sin healing naturally takes place, because Yehova can forgive that sin."
Two things...first, you have implemented an absolutely horrible hermeneutic here. If you, or your group, believes that Jesus was teaching that living in obedience promises a healthy physical life based on this passage, you need a long, serious lesson in biblical interpretation. No, you need to learn to read ordinary words, again, my FRiend.
Jesus was demonstrating His power of forgiving sins. If your view was correct (healing promised by obedience), the man could not have possibly walked. He had unconfessed sin and did not say anything about repenting. But, it gets worse for your view.
Second, even when Jesus said the man's sins were forgiven, the man still could not walk. Jesus had to actually say, "Rise, take up your bed and go home." You never mentioned that the person had to have Jesus add this to the man's confession, repentence, and obedience to AVOID killer diseases. What then exactly is the teaching of your group?
Jesus first said the most important thing in the world to this man...his sins are forgiven. Even if he never walked again in his life, this was enough. His soul was rescued, his billion years set in granite. But, Jesus knew the evil in the viewer's hearts. They couldn't see "forgiveness", so they were unimpressed that He was God on earth. "You are forgiven" is easy to say, but impossibly hard to accomplish...unless you are God. So, to prove He had the horsepower to forgive, He did the lunch-money thing...made the guy walk.
Making him walk was nothing, absolutely nothing compared to rescuing his soul. He told the man, "Take courage..." because forgiveness is the centerpiece of life. With forgivness nothing else really matters. But, Jesus accommodates our stupid, broken, limited, self-absorbed view and did the easy thing...make the man walk. I submit, your group is still focused on the easy thing, my FRiend.
That’s the way it seems to me. There’s nothing, plain or obscure, about equivalence, or even a connection other than that Jesus both pronounced forgiveness and commanded the man to walk.
I think of Isaiah 55 and the power and effectiveness of God’s word. To question IHS’s authority to forgive sins is to question whether his word brings about what he says,in this case the forgiveness of sins. So it’s almost as if he says, “You can’t see that my word about forgiveness is effective, let me say something in which the word will be obviously effective.” So he speaks his word and it does not return to him empty but accomplishes what he intended and prospers in that for which he sent it.
I think of Isaiah 55 and the power and effectiveness of God’s word. To question IHS’s authority to forgive sins is to question whether his word brings about what he says,in this case the forgiveness of sins. So it’s almost as if he says, “You can’t see that my word about forgiveness is effective, let me say something in which the word will be obviously effective.” So he speaks his word and it does not return to him empty but accomplishes what he intended and prospers in that for which he sent it."
Amen. His healing act was simply a substantiation, a demonstration of His ability/prerogative to forgive. Obviously, this is a condescension to our lack of true sight, not a promise to heal those who obey. Thank you, my FRiend.
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