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Gossip is like slapping Jesus, Pope asserts
cna ^ | May 18, 2013

Posted on 05/19/2013 2:33:42 PM PDT by NYer

Vatican City, May 18, 2013 / 09:15 am (CNA/EWTN News).- Pope Francis spoke today about how gossip by Christians is a “slap” to Jesus “in the person of his children.”

“All three - disinformation, defamation and slander - are sins! This is sin! It is to slap Jesus in the person of his children, his brothers,” the Pope said May 18 in the chapel of St. Martha’s House.

The topic game up in Pope Francis’ homily because of the day’s Gospel reading from John 21 in which Peter asks if John will be alive when Jesus returns to earth.

?“What is it to you?” the pontiff began his homily, referring to Jesus’ response to Peter, who was being tempted “to interfere in the lives of others.”

Peter became “nosy,” Pope Francis remarked, noting that there are two ways people are tempted to get involved in others’ lives. The first is “to compare oneself with others” and the second is to gossip.

“It seems nice to chat,” he reflected, “I do not know why, but it looks nice. Like sweet of honey, right? You take one and then another, and another, and another, and in the end you have a stomach ache. And why? The chatter is like that eh? It is sweet at first and it ruins you, it ruins your soul!”

The Pope then referred back to Genesis, saying that gossip is “‘a little’ like the spirit of Cain who killed his brother, his tongue; it kills his brother!”??The consequence of gossiping is that “we become Christians of good manners and bad habits,” he warned, later repeating the description.

According to Pope Francis, people fail in this area in three ways: by giving “misinformation,” by making known the faults of others, and by telling lies about others.

“That is why Jesus does with us what he did with Peter when he says: ‘What is it to you? Follow me.’ The Lord in this instance points the way,” he said.??

“This kind of talk will not do you any good,” the Pope stated, “because it will just bring to the Church a spirit of destruction. ‘Follow me!’ These are the beautiful words of Jesus, it is so clear, that he has so much love for us. As if to say: ‘Don’t have fantasies, believing that salvation is in the comparisons with others or in gossip. Salvation is to go behind me.’”

Pope Francis finished his homily by saying, “Today we ask the Lord Jesus to give us this grace not to ever get involved in the lives of others, not to become Christians of good manners and bad habits, it is to follow Jesus, to walk behind Jesus on his way. And this is enough.”


TOPICS: Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; popefrancis

1 posted on 05/19/2013 2:33:42 PM PDT by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 05/19/2013 2:34:02 PM PDT by NYer (“To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possibl)
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To: NYer

I struggle with gossip, especially at work. By God’s grace, I will overcome this weakness.

Frequent confession helps. I’m glad Papa Francis is talking about this.


3 posted on 05/19/2013 3:25:42 PM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Why am I both pro-life & pro-gun? Because both positions defend the innocent and protect the weak.)
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To: NYer

“All three - disinformation, defamation and slander - are sins!”

Uhmmmm...No they’re not Mr. Pope.

In fact they are valid tactics


4 posted on 05/19/2013 4:00:50 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Vendome

But still they are sins.


5 posted on 05/19/2013 4:06:17 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: NYer

Gossip is like slapping Jesus, Pope asserts

And faggotry is like abusing him.


6 posted on 05/19/2013 4:13:51 PM PDT by conserv8
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To: NYer

The Pope should be more concerned with the board in his own eye. imho.


7 posted on 05/19/2013 4:19:13 PM PDT by HoneysuckleRose
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To: Biggirl

And so is murder but, God allows killing in wartime or self defense


8 posted on 05/19/2013 4:22:14 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: HoneysuckleRose

How is it that you know what the person sins of the Pope are? How do you know what boards he might have in his eye?


9 posted on 05/19/2013 5:10:03 PM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare--now a Marine Mom)
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To: HoneysuckleRose

Welcome to Free Republic!


10 posted on 05/19/2013 5:22:35 PM PDT by RPTMS
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To: RPTMS

HoneysuckleRose
Since May 18, 2013


11 posted on 05/19/2013 5:24:48 PM PDT by RPTMS
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To: NYer

God I LOVE gossip . . . OOPS I mean yeah gossip is bad. :-)


12 posted on 05/19/2013 5:36:35 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: surroundedbyblue
Gossip is an interesting spiritual corrupter in that it also takes away from real intimacy building with another. I had a friend (I do hope this isn't gossip--lol) that would start gossiping in my presence instead of carrying on a conversation about subjects that would be 1.) empowering and/or 2.) connecting conversation between her and I that would build closeness. I think it is a wall people put up to make it seem like they are connecting but they are connecting in an dark way over dark things.

I think the only time it can help is if someone is being truly harassed by something regarding the other person and they are looking for an empowering Godly solution to work through it so they can move on to a more open spiritual solution.

So for instance if a person at the office place is being abusive and others share they have experienced the same thing. Thus allowing the group to know they are not alone. Then the group may discuss individuals positive solutions to move on and get about a productive, Godly way of life and not live in the resentment which is like acid. Just my two cents. I always ask myself, "where is this conversation going? Is it just to harass another or is it leading to one of the two talking being more at peace and empowered in a Godly way?" If it is the former, I generally steer the conversation away to another subject that is the latter.

13 posted on 05/19/2013 5:46:42 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: HoneysuckleRose

That’s an easy ting to say to a moral teacher: “Be more concerned about the board in your own eye.” I often think that. In other words: do not call me to repentance for my faults and sins.


14 posted on 05/19/2013 6:14:14 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("You can obseve a lot just by watchin'." - Yogi Berra)
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To: GOP Poet

But I’m assuming it’s OK to say nice things about someone behind their back? I like to do that, but will cease if that counts as gossiping or involving myself in someone else’s life.


15 posted on 05/19/2013 6:34:49 PM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare--now a Marine Mom)
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To: GOP Poet

Thanks!


16 posted on 05/19/2013 6:40:33 PM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Why am I both pro-life & pro-gun? Because both positions defend the innocent and protect the weak.)
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To: ottbmare

I think of the comments are positive, then that dosent count. Gossip is bad because it damages someone’s character. Think the fifth commandment: thou shalt not kill. Gossip detracts from someone’s character or reputation, whether what’s being said is true or not. I believe that is what the Holy Father is referring to. Having a conversation behind someone’s back in which you say “she has good taste” or “she’s always helpful” isn’t the same.

So in other words, keep on keepin on. You’re safe!


17 posted on 05/19/2013 6:43:47 PM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Why am I both pro-life & pro-gun? Because both positions defend the innocent and protect the weak.)
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To: ottbmare
Now where does this one land of the two you mentioned?

"Did you see Mrs Jones' hot new boyfriend?" lol.

Even worse "Mama wants one too!!" Is that envy, just drooling, or coveting thy married neighbors . . . boyfriend? My guess. All the above.

18 posted on 05/19/2013 6:51:27 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: ottbmare

The term gossip usually refers to malicious gossip.


19 posted on 05/19/2013 6:57:16 PM PDT by iowamark
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To: NYer

“But gossiping CAN’T be a serious sin, since it’s something that I do! The really bad sins are things OTHER people do!”

Thank you, your holiness.


20 posted on 05/19/2013 7:08:22 PM PDT by Hilda
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To: RPTMS

Thanks. :)


21 posted on 05/19/2013 9:46:32 PM PDT by HoneysuckleRose
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To: Vendome

My grandmother used to say “If you can’t say something nice about a person, come sit next to me”


22 posted on 05/19/2013 9:50:31 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Lurker

LOL

I wouldn’t sit next to her.


23 posted on 05/19/2013 10:07:09 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: ottbmare

My comment is coming from a historical perspective, not a personal one.


24 posted on 05/19/2013 10:11:31 PM PDT by HoneysuckleRose
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I think I should maybe make it clear that my comment was not based off of that reason.
Getting older, I am finding it easier to admit faults and sins, even to be told by hypocrites that I have them. No problem there. It’s rather helpful, whomever God has to do it. I am reminded of the Biblical account of Shimei, the son of Gera, who cursed and cast stones upon king David and his company. I will never forget David’s response. It was the right attitude to have. God can use anyone to correct us, if we need correcting, even a hypocrite.

No man is my moral teacher. God is.


25 posted on 05/19/2013 10:37:10 PM PDT by HoneysuckleRose
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To: ottbmare

“...OK to say nice things about someone behind their back...”

This may be too purist, yet I get nervous when I think of people talking behind my back saying either good or bad things. I am uneasy when others feel they can judge me - a positive statement about someone else is a judgement in its own way. I try not to discuss other at all, although I fail at this, being human. This is just my perspective.


26 posted on 05/20/2013 4:19:14 AM PDT by stonehouse01 (Equal rights for unborn women)
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To: HoneysuckleRose
David's response to Shimei is indeed the best of examples. In this case, Shimei was telling David God's truth. A man, whether he be King, madman, saint, hypocrite, or Pope, who teaches God's truth, is being a good moral teacher.

Welcome to FR, Honey.

27 posted on 05/20/2013 4:41:52 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("You can obseve a lot just by watchin'." - Yogi Berra)
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To: Vendome

Disinformation, defamation and slander -— and, in the case of the Obama administration, lies, spin and obfuscation-— are tactics that work for a time. But not with moral validity, and not for long.


28 posted on 05/20/2013 4:44:59 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("You can obseve a lot just by watchin'." - Yogi Berra)
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To: NYer
“Today we ask the Lord Jesus to give us this grace not to ever get involved in the lives of others, not to become Christians of good manners and bad habits, it is to follow Jesus, to walk behind Jesus on his way. And this is enough.”

Worth repeating.

29 posted on 05/20/2013 4:53:12 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: HoneysuckleRose
No man is my moral teacher. God is.

How does God teach you?

30 posted on 05/20/2013 4:56:51 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: HoneysuckleRose
No man is my moral teacher. God is.

Does this mean that you do not accept religious instruction from any pastor, minister, priest, or other person who is closer to the Lord than you are? Or is it just that you do not grant that the Pope might have wisdom and veracity to offer on moral topics?

31 posted on 05/20/2013 6:17:17 AM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare--now a Marine Mom)
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To: stonehouse01

OK, next time someone says about you, “Isn’t that Stonehouse just the sweetest thing?” I’ll just keep my mouth-I won’t say, as I might, “Yes she is, and she’s talented too.” :-)


32 posted on 05/20/2013 6:26:28 AM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare--now a Marine Mom)
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To: Vendome; HoneysuckleRose; don-o
This whole discussion reminds me of an old joke.

The country preacher was preaching up a storm, and he noticed that in the first part of his sermon, the old ladies were nodding and murmuring "Amen," but in the last half of the sermon their smiles were slowly replaced by scowls.

So, after the service, he asked one of the ladies how she liked his talk.

"Well," says she, "When you was a-testifying against cussin', fightin', an' drinkin', you was really anointed by the Holy Spirit. That was some g-o-o-o-o-d preachin.' But later on, when you commenced to talkin' against gossip, scoldin', and back-bitin', well, Reverend, we all figgered you done left off preachin' and commenced to meddlin'!"

33 posted on 05/20/2013 8:22:24 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("You can obseve a lot just by watchin'." - Yogi Berra)
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To: NYer

“Peter became “nosy,” “

As I was listening to the reading yesterday at Mass, I got to wondering why John was following Peter and Jesus? Was John also being nosy?

Peter turned and saw the disciple following whom Jesus loved, the one who had also reclined upon his chest during the supper and had said, “Master, who is the one who will betray you?” Jn 21:20


34 posted on 05/20/2013 10:08:07 AM PDT by rwa265
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To: Mrs. Don-o

LOL!!!!

Oh My Gawd. Hadn’t heard that one in over 20 years.

thnx!


35 posted on 05/20/2013 1:27:16 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I was thinking about FUD tactics in business and war, as well shaping opinion socially.

It doesn’t have to be denigrating, belittling or marginalizing it can be constructive.

I feel if you gossiping and passing judgement you ain’t right.

If you are gossiping and discussing how to improve a condition, then it’s valid.

IE

Gee, you know, Ol Bob has taken to drinking now in the middle of the day and it’s affecting him and his family. We should have a little talk with him.

That’s constructive.


36 posted on 05/20/2013 1:30:38 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Vendome

I agree.


37 posted on 05/20/2013 5:00:17 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("You can obseve a lot just by watchin'." - Yogi Berra)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

How does he not.


38 posted on 05/22/2013 5:17:38 AM PDT by HoneysuckleRose
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Shimei was telling David God's truth.

No, he wasn't. Read 1 Kings 2.

A good moral teacher is one who obeys God. Neither a Pope nor a madman nor a hypocrite obey God.
39 posted on 05/22/2013 5:17:38 AM PDT by HoneysuckleRose
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To: ottbmare
Does this mean that you do not accept religious instruction from any...

I mean exactly what I said.
No man is my moral teacher. God is.
40 posted on 05/22/2013 5:17:38 AM PDT by HoneysuckleRose
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To: HoneysuckleRose

I am absolutely dumbfounded by this statement. I have never actually heard anyone, saving possibly a sociopath, publicly admit to such a thing.

May I suggest that a bit of humility is in order. Believe it or not, unless you are the greatest of all saints, there are actually people on this planet who are closer to the Lord than you are, know Him better than you do, and have wisdom to impart. If you truly wish to draw near to Him, you would do well to acknowledge that, and learn about Him through wiser (and more humble) souls rather only through your private revelation. We are all capable of great self-deception—it is the prevailing weakness of all humans—and the input of others is priceless.


41 posted on 05/22/2013 6:59:16 AM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare--now a Marine Mom)
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To: HoneysuckleRose
You are very much mistaken.

First point: Shimei said that David had come to ruin because he was a murderer, and so he had. Shimei told the truth, and all truth is God's truth, whether it is spoken by a madman or not. He was not "innocent" for cursing the Lord's anointed, but David oscillated between repentance and vengeance, and I have no evidence that the latter is more pleasing to the Lord than the former.

Second point: Bearing false witness against a neighbor is still against the Commandments, even when your neighbor is the Pope.

Third point: don't write back to me. I can tolerate malice only in the smallest doses. My instructions are to pray, and I will, Honeysuckle Rose.

42 posted on 05/22/2013 7:14:37 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("You can obseve a lot just by watchin'." - Yogi Berra)
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To: ottbmare

I don’t understand why you are so offended and quick to possibly label me a sociopath just for me saying that God is my moral teacher and not man. If that is what man has to teach me, then I want nothing of it.

Man’s “morals” can become askew from the influence of this world so that it causes men to leave the narrow path that God teaches by his Word, to the point where even Christians start justifying sin by passing laws to protect evil; therefore, only God can be an accurate teacher for morality.

There is nothing wrong with my statement, and for you to find something wrong with it says more about what is wrong in your own mind and heart ma’am, with all due respect.

“There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.” Proverbs 14:12

Therefore, I will put my trust in the Lord and in him alone.


43 posted on 05/22/2013 7:25:07 PM PDT by HoneysuckleRose
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To: Mrs. Don-o

With a clear conscience I can tell you there was no malice in my words. There still is no malice. It is sin in your own heart to think such against me and to even tell me not to write you back after having accused me.

You like the Pope, I understand. I am not talking about individual people, because God can save anyone, but, rather the office of the Pope is a man in the seat of Jesus Christ. That is a religious and historical fact; therefore, that office does not obey God. No man has a right to sit in that seat except the Son of God. The Catholic Church disobeys God on many things, but I guess you don’t want to see it? So we will agree to disagree.

As for Shimei and David. Didn’t you read 1 Kings 2? Shimei did wickedly by cursing God’s anointed. What Shimei said was not from God, because whatever one did to the king one did to God. God would not curse himself or the throne of which He had established before Himself forever. David was being humble about his encounter with Shemei, he wasn’t declaring the curse was from the Lord. It clearly wasn’t, because the Lord kept his promise to David and made him king.
In 1 Kings 2 we find out that what Shimei said was actually wicked.


44 posted on 05/22/2013 8:08:41 PM PDT by HoneysuckleRose
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To: HoneysuckleRose; don-o
Honeysuckle Rose, I was sitting here with a heart full of contentment, enjoying a nice Green Onion and Basil pesto from my very own garden, by the grace of God and His East Tennessee rain, and then you went and done it.

I had planned to pray for you in my Rosary, but now --- yes, yes, I'll do more. I'll remember you at Mass. Watch out. Raise your head. Whatever you do, don't duck. You are being blessed.

45 posted on 05/23/2013 6:59:05 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("In Christ we form one body, and each member belongs to all the others." Romans 12:5)
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