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To: Hacksaw; Never A Dull Moment; rmlew; Eleutheria5
"Paragraphs are your friend."

I'll do it for him; BTW, while his reply could use some links (for those not knowledgeable on Hebrew names / text titles), imho it's a good read.

This article is complete nonsense. It does not even contain an author's name.... and little wonder.

The Karaites ARE considered Jews, They are considered just a different sect of Jews by all, with the exception of the Ultra-Otrthodox Jewish ( Hariedi )sects, who tend not regard any other sect of Judaism- such as Traditional Orthodox, Flexidox, Modern Orthodox, Conservative, or Reformed, as Torah Observant Jews, either...lol. So, it is no surprise that they would reject the Karaites, as well.

They do follow Torah, but the argument is that if you do not follow the Talmud, then you do not know how the laws are applied.

For those who do not know what the Talmud actually is, let me remove the mystery. It is simply a written compendium of ongoing discussions, opinions, and Rabbinc rulings on the oral law by various Rabbis over several hundred years. There are actually 2 of them. The Jerusalem and the Babylonian.

3,325 years ago, Moshe Rabbeinu (Moses) brought down the Tablets which contained the 10 Commandments. The 10 Commandments is the "outline headers" or "categories" of the 613 Mitzvot ( Commandments) a Jew must perform.

But.... he also brought down the Oral Law- the explanations of how they were to be applied, and thus, he taught the people, well before he transcribed the Torah, and made a scroll for each tribe. The Oral law is the explanation/details and the "How-to's."

Karaites reccognize the Tanakh- the 24 seferim ( Books) of the Torah as the authority in Halakha ( Jewish Law). They maintain that all of the divine commandments handed down to Moshe by HaShem were recorded in the written Torah, without the need of additional Oral Law or explanation. As a result,they do not accept as binding, the written collections of the oral tradition in the Mishnah or Talmud. They do not light the Shabbas Candles, nor wear Tefillin, or place Mezzuzot on their doorposts.

This article also falsely accused Maimonides ( The Rambam), as well. He did not hold the authority to ban anyone from public prayer. No Rabbi does.

"Maimonides, wrote that people who deny the divine authority of the Oral Torah are considered among the heretics. However, at the same time Maimonides holds (Hilkhot Mamrim 3:3) that most of the Karaites and others who claim to deny the "oral teachings" are not to be held accountable for their errors in the law because they are led into error by their parents and are similar to a tinoq shenishbah (a captive baby), or to one who was forced.

Rabbinic scholars have traditionally held that, because the Karaites do not observe the rabbinic law on divorce, there is a strong presumption that they are mamzerim (adulterine bastards), so that marriage with them is forbidden even if they return to Rabbinic Judaism.

Some recent Ashekenazi Ḥaredi scholars have held that Karaites should be regarded as Gentiles in all respects, though this is not universally accepted. They hasten to add that this opinion is not intended to insult the Karaites, but only to give individual Karaites the option of integrating into mainstream Judaism by way of conversion.

In contrast, in 1971 Rav ‘Ovadia Yosef, who was then the Rishon LeṢiyyon/Chief Rabbi of the Sefaradim and ‘Edot HaMizraḥ of Israel, proclaimed that Karaites are Jews "LeKhol Davar" (literally, for all purposes) and that it is permissible for Rabbanite Jews to marry with them."

The accusation that they have lesser rights is absolute nonsense. And the author of the article is a liar. Little wonder he hides his name.

Cronos, you really should check the validity of your sources before posting articles of this nature. It is very misleading. In fact, it is total and complete crap.

PS - Here's the link to the original at The Economist. If you need an emetic, read the comments there, it's heavy with jew-haters, barely-hidden nazis and assorted jihadi-lovers.
15 posted on 05/21/2013 7:35:35 AM PDT by Yehuda
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To: Karaite

If you are still active, I hope you’ll join in.


18 posted on 05/21/2013 9:50:59 AM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: Yehuda

Thanks for doing that! For some reason, my computer doesn’t always do them on this site.


20 posted on 05/21/2013 12:53:35 PM PDT by Never A Dull Moment
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